Breakdown Of Rookie Deals

[redskinsfan]

Here's a breakdown of the Redskins rookie deals so far as provide by Spotrac. Fuller has yet to sign and Spotrac doesn't have figures for three other rookies. If anyone has them, please throw them in.

The cap numbers are pretty modest and a function of our first-place finish in the draft.

Josh Doctson: 4 yrs / $10.49M ($2.5M AAV) (highest cap number = $3.2M in 2019) -- Josh Doctson

Su'a Cravens: 4 yrs / $4.3M ($1.1M AAV) (highest cap number = $1.4M in 2019) -- Su'a Cravens

Kendall Fuller: TBD

Matthew Ionnaidas: Unknown

Nate Sudfeld: Unknown

Steven Daniels: 4 yrs / $2.42M ($604K AAV) (highest cap number = $739K in 2019) -- Steven Daniels

Keith Marshall: Unknown

 

[ehb5]

Rookie deals are highway robbery now if you get a decent player.

 

[redskinsfan]

Rookie deals are highway robbery now if you get a decent player.

Yep. They are a major swing the other way when people like Jamarcus Russell got $60M for doing absolutely nothing. See also Bradford, Sam. But the union agreed to this slotting deal. Maybe it should reconsider how rookie deals are done.

 

[dcrising]

Yep. They are a major swing the other way when people like Jamarcus Russell got $60M for doing absolutely nothing. See also Bradford, Sam. But the union agreed to this slotting deal. Maybe it should reconsider how rookie deals are done.

there's going to be a lot renegotiating at the next labor deal. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if their is a strike/lockout when that happens.

 

[gkekoa]

There won't be much back and forth regarding rookies. Rookies haven't paid a dime into the union and this deal takes far greater care of veterans. The union still gets their money either way.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

There won't be much back and forth regarding rookies. Rookies haven't paid a dime into the union and this deal takes far greater care of veterans. The union still gets their money either way.

Agree. As I recall the union actually pushed hard for the rookie scale since vets hated seeing Jamarcus Russell or Bradford type contracts that took a bigger slice of the pie away from money that could be used for vets. Most felt like you had to earn your money first.

 

[redskinsfan]

Also don't forget this one fact --> depending on when a deal is ratified, rookies may not get to vote on a new CBA. One thing I would like to see if the cap going higher and/or making it softer cap. Not that I'm a Jets fan, but the Jets groomed Mo Wilkerson as their number one pick 2011. There's no sense in making them a finishing school for a pick like him.

 

[skinsdad62]

i would be against getting rid of the wage scale it works fine

 

[Sharkinva]

I could see the agents of all these rookies pushing for them to get a larger piece of the pie. Imagine if the agent for Goff and Wentz (same guy by the way) decided his clients were NOT going to sign the slotted deals or join the union?? Its guys that out perform their rookie deal, but happen to play a position that is not highly valued that really get hosed by the new CBA.

 

[redskinsfan]

I could see the agents of all these rookies pushing for them to get a larger piece of the pie. Imagine if the agent for Goff and Wentz (same guy by the way) decided his clients were NOT going to sign the slotted deals or join the union?? Its guys that out perform their rookie deal, but happen to play a position that is not highly valued that really get hosed by the new CBA.

Depending on whether you're in a right-to-work state, union membership may or may not be optional. But irrespective of any player's decision to join the union, he will still be part of the collective bargaining unit the employer recognizes in a collective bargaining agreement. For that reason, players, union members or not, will be bound by the wage scales negotiated by the NFL and the NFLPA.

 

[gkekoa]

I could see the agents of all these rookies pushing for them to get a larger piece of the pie. Imagine if the agent for Goff and Wentz (same guy by the way) decided his clients were NOT going to sign the slotted deals or join the union?? Its guys that out perform their rookie deal, but happen to play a position that is not highly valued that really get hosed by the new CBA.

Any rookie dumb enough not to join the union would be doing himself a major disservice. He won't get more money than required, he could get less, and no protection.

 

[redskinsfan]

Any rookie dumb enough not to join the union would be doing himself a major disservice. He won't get more money than required, he could get less, and no protection.

Any rookie (or player for that matter) will always be part of the collective bargaining unit whether they choose to join the NFLPA. As a result, the NFLPA has to treat them like they would any full-fledged member under federal labor law.

 

[gkekoa]

Any rookie (or player for that matter) will always be part of the collective bargaining unit whether they choose to join the NFLPA. As a result, the NFLPA has to treat them like they would any full-fledged member under federal labor law.

Yes but they don't have to defend them in court unless they are paying dues.

 

[redskinsfan]

Yes but they don't have to defend them in court unless they are paying dues.

Actually, that's not correct. A union owes a duty of fair representation to anyone in the collective bargaining unit, even if a player chooses not to pay dues. A player or any private sector employee can refuse to pay dues in a state that has a right-to-work law. North Carolina, for instance, is a right-to-work state. Cam Newton can legally refuse to pay dues and then demand the union file a grievance on his behalf.

 

[Sleepy T]

Actually, that's not correct. A union owes a duty of fair representation to anyone in the collective bargaining unit, even if a player chooses not to pay dues. A player or any private sector employee can refuse to pay dues in a state that has a right-to-work law. North Carolina, for instance, is a right-to-work state. Cam Newton can legally refuse to pay dues and then demand the union file a grievance on his behalf.

True they will be represented, but how well? It's all fine and dandy if they players keep their nose clean and don't need representation for any major reason. But I almost guarantee, the cheapskates who don't pay their dues are on a list and are gonna be blackballed and not always going to be represented in the highest capacity.

I would compare it to having a court appointed lawyer. They technically MUST represent you. But if they are getting paid little or nothing for their services, do you think they are really gonna work their ass off to get you off the hook? Most times not.

I worked in a company (and was a member of) a labor union some time ago, so I have seen the politics first hand. I work with guys who are part of the IBEW, I am salary, so thank goodness we aren't Union. I am not a fan of collective bargaining.

 

[redskinsfan]

True they will be represented, but how well? It's all fine and dandy if they players keep their nose clean and don't need representation for any major reason. But I almost guarantee, the cheapskates who don't pay their dues are on a list and are gonna be blackballed and not always going to be represented in the highest capacity.

I would compare it to having a court appointed lawyer. They technically MUST represent you. But if they are getting paid little or nothing for their services, do you think they are really gonna work their ass off to get you off the hook? Most times not.

I worked in a company (and was a member of) a labor union some time ago, so I have seen the politics first hand. I work with guys who are part of the IBEW, I am salary, so thank goodness we aren't Union. I am not a fan of collective bargaining.

My point was about how things should be, not how they actually are. And, depending on what type of union you have and/or union representative you're dealing with, there may be more truth to that. But if you've got a good union, they will treat folks equally when representing those covered by a CBA, whether they are full-fledged members or not.