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[Slaton10]

USC beat UW... a top 4 team... on the road! The committee likey alot.

USC also beat Colorado. The committee has the Buffs ranked #10.

Let me count up the quality WVU wins...

Zero.

So you bring up an excellent point...and it brings me back to why a believe it should be an 8 team playoff....take the Hillbillies as a perfect example..if we both looked at their schedule say a year or even two ago we would have been excited to see a BYU on the schedule and a Mizzou team that was the SEC east...you can only play the teams you have on your schedule...its a crap shoot...so take the SOS out of the equation ...except for programs that do not play in a power 5 conference....and make them play at least 3 power 5 teams and recieve one or two of the at large bids..

Then a team like Penn State that was playing its best ball down the stretch gets in....

 

[bbwvfan]

So you bring up an excellent point...and it brings me back to why a believe it should be an 8 team playoff....take the Hillbillies as a perfect example..if we both looked at their schedule say a year or even two ago we would have been excited to see a BYU on the schedule and a Mizzou team that was the SEC east...you can only play the teams you have on your schedule...its a crap shoot...so take the SOS out of the equation ...except for programs that do not play in a power 5 conference....and make them play at least 3 power 5 teams and recieve one or two of the at large bids..

Then a team like Penn State that was playing its best ball down the stretch gets in....

You may or may not remember, but I have been a strong proponent of an 8 team playoff for years. Back at CBS, I would argue/debate the merit of an 8 team playoff with all them boys... PCKank, SECFAN and some LSU posters.

We'll have an 8 team playoff soon. Controversy like this year will be the stimulus... just as the controversy from the bogus 2011 BCS NCG.

When the playoff expands to 8, we'll see the end to this stupid CCG. The last two years we've had teams not even needing to win the CCG to remain in the top 4 of the rankings. Last year, it was an undefeated Clemson that would have remained top 4... this year... Bama.

 

[bbwvfan]

I think there is definitely some truth to it...the criteria seems to change annually and it usually benefits programs that have the reputation...

The criteria has never changed. The circumstances surrounding the teams around the top of the rankings have changed year to year.

The committee has been tasked to select the 4 best teams. Not the most deserving top 4. What we are learning after 3 years is that the committee values wins over losses. The human polls harshly penalized teams over a loss. As we all know, a late season loss was a killer. It was better to lose early so you could recover.

I always thought that was a bullshit way to assess how good a team was.

Today, it is total body of work from start to finish.

 

[Slaton10]

The criteria has never changed. The circumstances surrounding the teams around the top of the rankings have changed year to year.

The committee has been tasked to select the 4 best teams. Not the most deserving top 4. What we are learning after 3 years is that the committee values wins over losses. The human polls harshly penalized teams over a loss. As we all know, a late season loss was a killer. It was better to lose early so you could recover.

I always thought that was a bullshit way to assess how good a team was.

Today, it is total body of work from start to finish.

I don't know...I just recall hearing some ridiculous answers of when teams like USC with 3 losses were ahead of teams that had one or less when they were somewhere at #12 at the time..made me think DADS comments had some merrit ...it took like 6 losses for Tennessee to fall out of the top 25..

 

[bbwvfan]

I don't know...I just recall hearing some ridiculous answers of when teams like USC with 3 losses were ahead of teams that had one or less when they were somewhere at #12 at the time..made me think DADS comments had some merrit ...it took like 6 losses for Tennessee to fall out of the top 25..

The Committee is tasked with identifying the 4 best teams. They have repeatedly said they believe this is best determined by seeing a team play a difficult schedule and winning.

IMO, that is why we see the committee value top 25 wins. Why they don't punish teams harshly when they do lose. When evaluating teams with 1 or more losses... I believe they look at who you lost to.... if the game was on the road or at home.

USC played one of the hardest schedules in the country this year. Another circumstance... one which likely kept them from winning more games... is the fact the FR QB started for them after their 3rd loss. They lost to 3 ranked teams, and beat two ranked teams.

Compare their resume to any team below them in the rankings...

 

[Scapegoat]

The Committee is tasked with identifying the 4 best teams. They have repeatedly said they believe this is best determined by seeing a team play a difficult schedule and winning.

IMO, that is why we see the committee value top 25 wins. Why they don't punish teams harshly when they do lose. When evaluating teams with 1 or more losses... I believe they look at who you lost to.... if the game was on the road or at home.

USC played one of the hardest schedules in the country this year. Another circumstance... one which likely kept them from winning more games... is the fact the FR QB started for them after their 3rd loss. They lost to 3 ranked teams, and beat two ranked teams.

Compare their resume to any team below them in the rankings...

It's a tough decision. But keep in mind 4 is better than 2. 8 would be better. Would you take the 4 with the better resume or the 4 that are better right now? IMO USC is might be the second best team right now.

 

[WVUDAD]

I think there is definitely some truth to it...the criteria seems to change annually and it usually benefits programs that have the reputation...

We have seen it last year and the year before, TCU and Baylor 11-1 get dropped 4 spots just to get Ohio State in, Oklahoma 11-1 goes to the "playoff"...... piss poor. Need 8 teams at least, conference champs, I don't care if they do have four losses, belong, and three wild cards or whatever you want to call them, if OSU and Alabama are REALLY better than the others, why are they so scared to include more teams??? They are scared to death that a WMU might just beat an Ohio State. I have never understood why we all cheer for the cinderella teams in March Madness, but do everything we can to keep Cinderella from even going to the game in football.....

 

[bbwvfan]

It's a tough decision. But keep in mind 4 is better than 2. 8 would be better. Would you take the 4 with the better resume or the 4 that are better right now? IMO USC is might be the second best team right now.

It is really tough. I like how football is using a committee to evaluate teams now. We know there was bias in the BCS as human polls were racked with controversial rankings by members.... either intentionally or not.

IMO, if college football wants to preserve its reputation for having the greatest regular season in sports, then the whole season has to count. Games in September should count as much as the late Nov/Dec games.

It like all the controversy over PSU not getting in over tOSU. IMO, the argument should be PSU vs UW for #4. But, in no way are you comparing PSU to tOSU. PSU lost two games... one in their OOC. If we exclude this loss, we are saying the OOC does not matter. The committee wants teams to challenge themselves in the OOC. That is why UW was the lowest of the 1-ranked teams... lowest of the undefeated teams.

It is why BU was held behind tOSU in '14 heading into the next to last CFP Ranking. After your OU team lost to Okie Light in the Bedlam that year, the committee dropped OU out of the top 25. This moved Minn back into the top 25 and resulted in tOSU getting a #4 ranking in the final poll after beating a ranked Wisky. They ended the season with 3 top 25 wins. Both BU and TCU had but two.

The whole season...

 

[Scapegoat]

It is really tough. I like how football is using a committee to evaluate teams now. We know there was bias in the BCS as human polls were racked with controversial rankings by members.... either intentionally or not.

IMO, if college football wants to preserve its reputation for having the greatest regular season in sports, then the whole season has to count. Games in September should count as much as the late Nov/Dec games.

It like all the controversy over PSU not getting in over tOSU. IMO, the argument should be PSU vs UW for #4. But, in no way are you comparing PSU to tOSU. PSU lost two games... one in their OOC. If we exclude this loss, we are saying the OOC does not matter. The committee wants teams to challenge themselves in the OOC. That is why UW was the lowest of the 1-ranked teams... lowest of the undefeated teams.

It is why BU was held behind tOSU in '14 heading into the next to last CFP Ranking. After your OU team lost to Okie Light in the Bedlam that year, the committee dropped OU out of the top 25. This moved Minn back into the top 25 and resulted in tOSU getting a #4 ranking in the final poll after beating a ranked Wisky. They ended the season with 3 top 25 wins. Both BU and TCU had but two.

The whole season...

I'm not saying I disagree but I also think USC is the only team that can beat Alabama. And they were left out.

 

[bbwvfan]

I don't know if USC has improved enough to beat Bama today. While it's obvious USC is better now that Darnold is starting at QB, he is more of a pure pocket passer. Bama seems to struggle with dual threat QB's.

 

[Mac_Bridger]

The committee made one thing clear, winning your conference is meaningless. The worthless nuts couldn't even win their division and got in. So it's pretty clear that they want brand names and all the criteria they set forth is

 

[WVUDAD]

The committee made one thing clear, winning your conference is meaningless. The worthless nuts couldn't even win their division and got in. So it's pretty clear that they want brand names and all the criteria they set forth is

It is a moving target, we heard last year and the year before how important being a conference champion was, now it is meaningless. I have said it many times, the whole thing is set up to exclude non name brand teams, after BYU "won the title" in 1984 they set out to ensure it never happens again!!!! I think we need to see 8 teams SOON, and a full 16 team playoff with EVERY conference champ shortly thereafter.

 

[bbwvfan]

The committee made one thing clear, winning your conference is meaningless. The worthless nuts couldn't even win their division and got in. So it's pretty clear that they want brand names and all the criteria they set forth is

Yeah... a ton of people are stuck on the criteria.

The criteria of conference championships... H/H... and SOS were to be used for comparable teams.

There is not much argument that tOSU proved they were one of the 4 best teams. They stated in the next to last poll that there was a wide distance between tOSU and PSU. But, the margin between UW and UofM was razor thin.

The argument was always between PSU and UW.

You cannot beat 3 top 10 teams and tell me you haven't proven you are one of the best. Forget the name on the jersey. You wouldn't think that about the Mountaineers.

Stop with all of the little man syndrome shit. You don't have to pull it out to embarrass yourself...

 

[WVUDAD]

It like all the controversy over PSU not getting in over tOSU. IMO, the argument should be PSU vs UW for #4. But, in no way are you comparing PSU to tOSU. PSU lost two games... one in their OOC.

I agree there is NO comparing OSU and PSU,,, PSU beat them, I think BBWVFAN is a closet Ohio State fan.....

 

[WVUDAD]

The problem is not that they picked teams who were not deserving, the problem is that there are more teams, including conference champs who are just as deserving. This year is a perfect example of why there needs to be at LEAST an 8 team playoff, the five league champs Alabama, Washington, PSU, OU, Clemson, and three wild cards OSU, maybe UM and why not WMU??? The sample size at two or four is not big enough to be inclusive of all the deserving teams. It is hilarious hearing the Ohio State fans who bitched about Alabama "not even winning" their league in 2011 now have completely changed their tune.......

 

[Slaton10]

The Committee is tasked with identifying the 4 best teams. They have repeatedly said they believe this is best determined by seeing a team play a difficult schedule and winning.

IMO, that is why we see the committee value top 25 wins. Why they don't punish teams harshly when they do lose. When evaluating teams with 1 or more losses... I believe they look at who you lost to.... if the game was on the road or at home.

USC played one of the hardest schedules in the country this year. Another circumstance... one which likely kept them from winning more games... is the fact the FR QB started for them after their 3rd loss. They lost to 3 ranked teams, and beat two ranked teams.

Compare their resume to any team below them in the rankings...

So I ask you to chew on this...how is the SOS determined when it was clear that outside of Alabama the SEC was HORRIFIC this year?

 

[WVUDAD]

So I ask you to chew on this...how is the SOS determined when it was clear that outside of Alabama the SEC was HORRIFIC this year?

EXACTLY, teams are still getting credit for beating top 10-15 teams from Sept. like ND, Mich St, Oregon, etc that had horrible teams through the season.

 

[Slaton10]

EXACTLY, teams are still getting credit for beating top 10-15 teams from Sept. like ND, Mich St, Oregon, etc that had horrible teams through the season.

My opinion your comment has merit..

 

[bbwvfan]

So I ask you to chew on this...how is the SOS determined when it was clear that outside of Alabama the SEC was HORRIFIC this year?

I guess I could look it up. I follow the analytic company the committee uses on Twitter. I'm not sure if they create the SOS or if they use another source.

I think the general concept of SOS is a measure of who you play... the W/L record of these teams... the W/L record of the opponents they face.

Only two SEC West teams finished below .500, and Bama's crossover was UK (7-5) and UT (8-4). I think the combined W/L records of Bama's opponents had the highest winning percentage of any team in the rankings.

 

[WVUDAD]

I think SOS is more determined by the "eye test" than anything else, we have belittled SEC team's OOC schedule for years, now not so much???????