Big 12 Expansion

[GoldRusher]

The Big 12 does something smart, finally, by rejecting expansion

 

[WVUDAD]

I am not so certain it's apples to apples DAD..as far as dysfunction I agree with you...but the BIG EAST was being ruled by Georgetown and Providence!! How ass backwards was that! And all they cared about was Basketball..

To be fair, the BE was a basketball league that expanded to include football just to get more $$$, the B12 was created PURELY for football. That is one thing I admire, maybe the only thing, about the B11, their allegiance to each other, the SCHOOLS are the league, not just football, not just basketball, but every facet of every school. The tobacco road schools in the ACC all have that spirit too, and are seeming to be more welcoming to the newcomers than they were at first. In every other league, the well being of the league and each member school is a priority, in the old BE and current B12, there seems to be a genuine dislike for each other, a selfishness where there is little cooperation, no concern for the league, its image, other members, each school only cares about themselves.

 

[DCWV4life]

This is an example of cheering on the money grab of college football? Or is it simply stating fact?

No doubt, this expansion process has been a really bad look for the Big 12. The whole expansion process has been generated by the television networks. This is why WVU is in the Big 12 to begin with.

None of us know what the future of college football will look like. None of us know how broadcasts will be packaged.

But, if I was involved with the administration and leadership of WVU, I'd be flirting heavily with every other conference not named the Pac 12.

A little of both....we are fine and if/when this conf implodes we will be fine. Everyone is acting like this is a big deal....I could care less what conf is next to our name as long as it is a power 5/4 conf and I see no way that we do not end up in a power conf. Backdoor deals will be made and we will end up somewhere by who really cares today? Guess I am just not sweating it

 

[GoldRusher]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.si.c...s-david-boren-bob-bowlsby?amp=1?client=safari

 

[Slaton10]

A little of both....we are fine and if/when this conf implodes we will be fine. Everyone is acting like this is a big deal....I could care less what conf is next to our name as long as it is a power 5/4 conf and I see no way that we do not end up in a power conf. Backdoor deals will be made and we will end up somewhere by who really cares today? Guess I am just not sweating it

Couldn't agree more ...what Luck did to get a plan about rebuilding the Athletics Programs infrastructure to getting the school in a league that no matter what happens will be a school that every other conference will be glad to have come on board...The university as a whole is night and day where it was just 10 years ago...its a pretty amazing story really

 

[GoldRusher]

Just wait til Luck takes the head chair at the NCAA. Conference realignment? No prob, you take WVU or you get sanctions

 

[bbwvfan]

I was too young to know what kind of discussion was had when Coach Carlen made it known WVU should get out of the Southern Conference. Like any matter, I would guess there were some WVU fans who thought this was a good idea, and others who wanted to stay.

I was in high school when the discussion of adding to Mountaineer Field or building a new stadium started. There were many in favor of adding an upper deck to the north side of the stadium.

DAD is not alone... there are many who hate Luck... hate all the changes Luck implemented... the firing of coaches... the money grab. Just like past issues I've shared... we'll never be unified and 100% supportive.

But, like Slaton mentioned... thank God Luck came back to WVU. His work has provided WVU an opportunity to remain relevant today... and in the future!

 

[Bat 20]

Report: ESPN pays Big 12 $10M in restructured TV contract after conference doesn't expand

Report: ESPN pays Big 12 $10M in restructured TV contract after conference doesn't expand

 

[Anotherwvufan]

Report: ESPN pays Big 12 $10M in restructured TV contract after conference doesn't expand

Report: ESPN pays Big 12 $10M in restructured TV contract after conference doesn't expand

I think that this was the plan from the beginning.

 

[WVUDAD]

I think that this was the plan from the beginning.

I don't get it though, the report I read today said the B12 took $10 million to redo the contract that could have brought in $1 billion had they expanded, that the pro rated expansion clause was removed. I guess that's why I am an engineer and not a lawyer, things make sense, people don't.

 

[Slaton10]

I don't get it though, the report I read today said the B12 took $10 million to redo the contract that could have brought in $1 billion had they expanded, that the pro rated expansion clause was removed. I guess that's why I am an engineer and not a lawyer, things make sense, people don't.

What it mean't is that the network is losing subscribers just not for Big12 but for all of college football and the pro's as well for that matter...this would have had them overpay for the current and potential subscriptions they plan to net over the remainder of the contract...I am sure there is a back alley deal to repay these teams in the next round of contracts and I would expect the Big12 to expand then..but it also assured the teams of additional payouts now

 

[bbwvfan]

What it mean't is that the network is losing subscribers just not for Big12 but for all of college football and the pro's as well for that matter...this would have had them overpay for the current and potential subscriptions they plan to net over the remainder of the contract...I am sure there is a back alley deal to repay these teams in the next round of contracts and I would expect the Big12 to expand then..but it also assured the teams of additional payouts now

I heard on a college sports radio show that ESPN informed the Big 12 they would not honor the pro rata contract, and would force the Big 12 into litigation if it expanded. Seems plausible.

ESPN controls college football... controls expansion.

 

[GoldRusher]

Bowlsby said that negotiations aren't over/still ongoing (paraphrasing) as of yesterday. If it works out to where the Big12 is getting somewhere around 1-2mm more per school through the end of the GOR then that's good IMO. We keep our T3 deal as is (WVU's is really good) PLUS we get about the same money per as the PAC and ACC will get for having their conference networks, and we did nothing as a conference.... other than look incompetent in getting to that point

 

[WVUDAD]

The B12 leadership are losing their minds, this CCG is going to keep B12 teams out of the "playoff" more years than not..... The issue two years ago was NOT the way the league crowned a champion, the problem was the top two teams were Baylor and TCU, reference last year where one team was named Oklahoma....If Texas or Oklahoma win the league, they are in, if anyone else wins the league, they need help.

 

[GoldRusher]

The B12 leadership are losing their minds, this CCG is going to keep B12 teams out of the "playoff" more years than not..... The issue two years ago was NOT the way the league crowned a champion, the problem was the top two teams were Baylor and TCU, reference last year where one team was named Oklahoma....If Texas or Oklahoma win the league, they are in, if anyone else wins the league, they need help.

Its all about the money, the conference needed a CCG to make more money to be more competitive with the other conferences. All of these CCG's are about money, I mean, do we really need a CCG to know who the best team is in the SEC or PAC or ACC? BIG may have an argument. It is what it is, I didn't want a CCG at all without at least 12 teams because I hate the idea of a rematch every year but TV is preventing the conference from doing that so the league has to do what it can and rematches can happen even with divisions so..

On the positive side, the conference seems to do a decent job of scheduling our teams that are supposed to compete for the league later in the year so if they switch that up and have the contenders play early then let the season play out and have them play again in the CCG with the good records and high playoff committee ranking in the mix it should make for a pretty good show and pretty much an air tight argument for a playoff spot if the favorite wins (assuming they don't have multiple loses themselves). The extra game might be needed for SOS purposes as well if Snyder finally retires/ KState tanks and Baylor goes down the drain like I think they will.

 

[outofyourmind]

The B12 leadership are losing their minds, this CCG is going to keep B12 teams out of the "playoff" more years than not..... The issue two years ago was NOT the way the league crowned a champion, the problem was the top two teams were Baylor and TCU, reference last year where one team was named Oklahoma....If Texas or Oklahoma win the league, they are in, if anyone else wins the league, they need help.

I think this sums it up nicely.
The Conference is going to regret a CCG. It will eliminate a team from playoff consideration as often as it helps.
This CCG idea actually pits the two best teams against each other vs. the old North/South champion where more times than not, the winner of the North was far inferior to the South team. I think there was an upset twice. Once when Texas played Colorado, and once when Oklahoma played Kansas State, but Oklahoma went on to the NC that year for some unknown reason.

 

[WVUDAD]

I have come to the conclusion that the B12 in being run WORSE than the old BE was.....by a good margin. Completely reactionary, if the B12 wants a team in the "playoff" either win them all, or be a one loss team named Oklahoma or Texas. Name beats everything in the farce that college football has become, the committee has obviously decided that Alabama and OSU will be included regardless of how hypocritical they have to be.
Big 12 commissioner wants an explanation on this year's playoff field, decisions

 

[GoldRusher]

I mean, you cant really blame him for the committee lying to him and everyone else.

 

[WVUDAD]

I mean, you cant really blame him for the committee lying to him and everyone else.

You can blame him for reacting to every years circumstance rather than looking at facts, you either are a name brand team, or you go undefeated, period. CCGs, no CCGs, weak schedule, strong schedule, etc are just excuses to get those name brand teams, and Bowlsby should know that. Had Oklahoma only lost to OSU they would probably be in.... The number one thing a B12 team needs to do is win, the system is rigged, just as it has been since BYU "won" the "title" in 1984, to keep the "championship" in the hands of the big boys.

 

[GoldRusher]

You can blame him for reacting to every years circumstance rather than looking at facts, you either are a name brand team, or you go undefeated, period. CCGs, no CCGs, weak schedule, strong schedule, etc are just excuses to get those name brand teams, and Bowlsby should know that. Had Oklahoma only lost to OSU they would probably be in.... The number one thing a B12 team needs to do is win, the system is rigged, just as it has been since BYU "won" the "title" in 1984, to keep the "championship" in the hands of the big boys.[/QUOTE

At the end of the day in our format you have to win games. Had OSU beaten CMU then only lost to then ranked @Baylor earlier or even @OU late to finish with only 1 loss then I think they prob get in. Had OU taken care of a G5 team like OU should then they are in imo regardless of the Ohio State game. Had WVU not fallen apart against OU and finished with 1 road loss vs a ranked team then I think we are in.

Gotta take care of business

If they really wanted brand then they could have went ahead n put Penn State in and left Washington out. PSU is the better brand is it not?