Big 12 Expansion: It's Down to BYU, Houston, and Cincinnati

[nddulac]

Idk. This makes it sound like it was after, but maybe during the legal proceedings.

The ACC just made next to impossible for any of its schools to leave

You are correct - I was unaware of this agreement. I only knew about the 2-year fees deal (which was insufficient to keep Maryland from leaving.) This is much more severe.

 

[Codaxx]

I would love this but all it will do is create more 16 school conferences. The SEC isn't going to let a Virgina and NC school get away and neither is the Big 10.

I do think a aTm and VT rivalry would be pretty cool and definitely need to be permanent cross rivals if it ever happened (but won't).

Why would that ever be a rivalry? People just assume rivalries can be manufactured. I just dont understand that thinking

 

[The Q]

You are correct - I was unaware of this agreement. I only knew about the 2-year fees deal (which was insufficient to keep Maryland from leaving.) This is much more severe.

Yeah, this basically makes it impossible for any school to leave the ACC...so those thinking the ACC is gonna implode...highly unlikely.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, this basically makes it impossible for any school to leave the ACC...so those thinking the ACC is gonna implode...highly unlikely.

what if 10 of the 14 schools leave? Say the big ten and SEC take 2 each, and 6 move to the Big 12?

 

[The Q]

what if 10 of the 14 schools leave? Say the big ten and SEC take 2 each, and 6 move to the Big 12?

I don't think the public schools can. No way in this financial climate they can justify that outlay of cash from public funds. But yes in your doomsday scenario that could happen. In theory.

They'd keep those 4, raid the AAC and CUSA and make the best of it. The money they have coming in is nuts.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

I don't think the public schools can. No way in this financial climate they can justify that outlay of cash from public funds. But yes in your doomsday scenario that could happen. In theory.

They'd keep those 4, raid the AAC and CUSA and make the best of it. The money they have coming in is nuts.

ACC makes less than the other P5 conferences, so wouldn't the public schools be all for making more money?

 

[Wild Turkey]

Why would that ever be a rivalry? People just assume rivalries can be manufactured. I just dont understand that thinking

Both schools have the corp of cadets which is very unique.

 

[Texas Jefe]

More I think about it, what I heard some guys say on this topic here is right: Big12 does not need to do anything right now-they are making good money. ACC and PAC are the ones who should worry, in a sense, because Big12 makes more bucks.

What the Big12 has is a PERCEPTION problem...everyone thinks they are in trouble, but in fact, they could be in a prime position. The TV/distribution world is changing, ESPN is not knocking down their door looking to throw money at a network, cord cutters, etc. When the current contract expires, they can jump on the train that's coming down the track.

They do NOT need to add members who would bring zero to the table, just to get to twelve. Moving to a championship game, while hard for us to swallow because they play a round-robin and it will thus be a repeat matchup, does give what the committee wants: a 13th data point.

They dont care about the round-robin, they just want that final data point.

So they should just do the CCG, and then stand pat.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

More I think about it, what I heard some guys say on this topic here is right: Big12 does not need to do anything right now-they are making good money. ACC and PAC are the ones who should worry, in a sense, because Big12 makes more bucks.

What the Big12 has is a PERCEPTION problem...everyone thinks they are in trouble, but in fact, they could be in a prime position. The TV/distribution world is changing, ESPN is not knocking down their door looking to throw money at a network, cord cutters, etc. When the current contract expires, they can jump on the train that's coming down the track.

They do NOT need to add members who would bring zero to the table, just to get to twelve. Moving to a championship game, while hard for us to swallow because they play a round-robin and it will thus be a repeat matchup, does give what the committee wants: a 13th data point.

They dont care about the round-robin, they just want that final data point.

So they should just do the CCG, and then stand pat.

Once Boren shuts the #### up the perception problem goes away, especially with a championship game now.

 

[romeo212000]

Once Boren shuts the #### up the perception problem goes away, especially with a championship game now.

The perception problem won't go away. Especially since Baylor is about to start a downward spiral back to where they belong.

 

[GoldRusher]

The perception problem won't go away. Especially since Baylor is about to start a downward spiral back to where they belong.

true but then WVU is about to spiral upward for several years so.... balances out.

 

[Texas Jefe]

The perception problem won't go away. Especially since Baylor is about to start a downward spiral back to where they belong.

oh that's okay: Texas is coming back up, Baylor goes back to irrelevancy, OU is strong, WVU can be a power, TCU is doing things.

It'll be alright, only needs to keep it going until the next contract then we'll see what happens in CFB as a whole in regards to TV/distribution/conferences.

 

[GoldRusher]

West Virginia has like 5k more students so that is immaterial.
I have respect for all land grant universities but in this case it's not an argument for conference inclusion.
You might have a point on travel but that is the only meaningful one you've made.

Louisville > WV

I know it hurts but it's true.

Like I said.... Dumb
WAVE : 3rd Street Stunner: Ramsey out as UofL president

 

[romeo212000]

true but then WVU is about to spiral upward for several years so.... balances out.

Your optimism is impressive.

 

[UVA_Guy81]

I don't think the public schools can. No way in this financial climate they can justify that outlay of cash from public funds. But yes in your doomsday scenario that could happen. In theory.

They'd keep those 4, raid the AAC and CUSA and make the best of it. The money they have coming in is nuts.

I can understand raiding the AAC but just curious, who do you think from CUSA would help the BIG XII?

More I think about it, what I heard some guys say on this topic here is right: Big12 does not need to do anything right now-they are making good money. ACC and PAC are the ones who should worry, in a sense, because Big12 makes more bucks.

That wouldn't be an issue if everyone in the ACC realized that Swofford is a buffoon and needs to resign.

 

[UVA_Guy81]

I would love this but all it will do is create more 16 school conferences. The SEC isn't going to let a Virgina and NC school get away and neither is the Big 10.

I do think a aTm and VT rivalry would be pretty cool and definitely need to be permanent cross rivals if it ever happened (but won't).

I think that if VT would develop a rivalry with anyone in the SEC if they were to join, it'd likely be Tennessee.

 

[Deep Creek]

Your optimism is impressive.

But, it could also turn out to be a pipe dream.

 

[ralphiewvu]

So do we division names for this shit show yet or what?

 

[Wild Turkey]

So do we division names for this shit show yet or what?

Yes

PAC Western Division
Shit Out of Luck

 

[ralphiewvu]

Yes

PAC Western Division
Shit Out of Luck

Ohh turkey neck, you're so clever. Shame your full a shit.