better late then never ?

[skinsdad62]

Robert Griffin III declines to speak to media on day of Shanahan firing | Comcast SportsNet Washington

good 1st step to the off season lay low

 

[ThruTheEyesOfRuby]

Yeah, what could he have possibly said that wouldn't be spun one way or another? Can't fault him at all for choosing not to speak.

Better to just forget the season, get away from it and all the drama that it culminated in and, at some other point, much later, take the high road and wish Shanahan well.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Thank you for small favors.

 

[Sharkinva]

Agreed that there is nothing he could say right now that would not be taken out of context. Although Im of the mindset that nothing he has said was taken out of context to begin with and he has carefully chosen everything he has said up to this point in any case.

time for the next chapter. Will be interested in seeing who the next coach is and if RG3 trusts the new guy.

 

[skinz2winz]

C'mon shark, quit making this about RG3 because its not. The guy just got benched by a lame duck coach for all the wrong reasons. Take a closer listen to the Shanahan presser and you will notice all the same rhetoric and deflection of responsibility from Shanahan. Like you said, the guy is an ego-maniac and single handedly ended Griffin's season last year and this year. He hired a dysfunctional defect USFL coach in Haslett and a ST's coach who had no business coaching in the NFL. When you are the HC/VP of Operations, YOU are responsible for this debacle.


I'm glad he is gone along with his staff and I believe the organization is no better and no worse since he got here. You could however make the argument that the cap penalty (Shanahan) and the trade to get RG3 (Shanahan) have set us back. We can now look forward to the future by moving forward supporting a new coach and his staff, along with the current group of players including RG3 who is our franchise QB.

 

[Sharkinva]

C'mon shark, quit making this about RG3 because its not. The guy just got benched by a lame duck coach for all the wrong reasons. Take a closer listen to the Shanahan presser and you will notice all the same rhetoric and deflection of responsibility from Shanahan. Like you said, the guy is an ego-maniac and single handedly ended Griffin's season last year and this year. He hired a dysfunctional defect USFL coach in Haslett and a ST's coach who had no business coaching in the NFL. When you are the HC/VP of Operations, YOU are responsible for this debacle.


I'm glad he is gone along with his staff and I believe the organization is no better and no worse since he got here. You could however make the argument that the cap penalty (Shanahan) and the trade to get RG3 (Shanahan) have set us back. We can now look forward to the future by moving forward supporting a new coach and his staff, along with the current group of players including RG3 who is our franchise QB.

I will simply say this. we got the cap penalty because Shanahan was trying to clean up the mess he was handed from danny over spending. So it was bound to come back and bite us one way or another.

the trade for RG3 went totally against Shanahans character as he had NEVER up until that point traded away multiple picks to get a player and never traded up for one in such a manner. But it screams Dan Snyder type move.

Lastly.. .RG3 is not a franchise QB, at least not yet.

the next few days should be interesting.

 

[Freeforall]

I will simply say this. we got the cap penalty because Shanahan was trying to clean up the mess he was handed from danny over spending. So it was bound to come back and bite us one way or another.

the trade for RG3 went totally against Shanahans character as he had NEVER up until that point traded away multiple picks to get a player and never traded up for one in such a manner. But it screams Dan Snyder type move.

Lastly.. .RG3 is not a franchise QB, at least not yet.

the next few days should be interesting.

Gotta disagree with you on a few points there. Mike didn't have to restructure Haynesworth's and Hall's contract during the uncapped year, but he did.

As the overall guy in charge of player decision, it's your choice to decided whether to give up picks to acquire a player, and again he. Not just Griffin, we're looking at McNabb and the greatest waste of a pick, Jamaal Brown

 

[Sharkinva]

Gotta disagree with you on a few points there. Mike didn't have to restructure Haynesworth's and Hall's contract during the uncapped year, but he did.

As the overall guy in charge of player decision, it's your choice to decided whether to give up picks to acquire a player, and again he. Not just Griffin, we're looking at McNabb and the greatest waste of a pick, Jamaal Brown

Nothing in Mikes actions said he actually wanted Haynesworth on this team. And in fact, he did everything he could to Not have him on the team. You are right he didnt have to rework his deal, but its moves like that when he obviously didnt want the guy on the team that leads me to think there was a little more going on in the background. If you actually looked at Shanahan over the years before he came to DC, you will notice the Haynesworth restructure, the McNabb trade and the RG3 trade were totally out of character for him.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Lastly.. .RG3 is not a franchise QB, at least not yet.

This is no attack on you btw....
But what makes you say that? In his rookie season without any wide receivers and NO defense...he completely turned a piece of crap organization around. Won the division, ROY and led the team to the playoffs, people were talking about the redskins and RGIII. We were excited! How is he not the guy? It can't be because of injury or one bad season is it? I don't think Atlanta is considering trading Matt Ryan....nor did New England consider trading Brady for picks and a cornerstone position player once Cassel had that solid year in their system. This guy simple needs to protect himself and be given at least two receivers who will catch the ball...

 

[skinsdad62]

This is no attack on you btw....
But what makes you say that? In his rookie season without any wide receivers and NO defense...he completely turned a piece of crap organization around. Won the division, ROY and led the team to the playoffs, people were talking about the redskins and RGIII. We were excited! How is he not the guy? It can't be because of injury or one bad season is it? I don't think Atlanta is considering trading Matt Ryan....nor did New England consider trading Brady for picks and a cornerstone position player once Cassel had that solid year in their system. This guy simple needs to protect himself and be given at least two receivers who will catch the ball...

waste of time , sharks mantra is Rg3 is a bust and it gives him another opportunity to pile on snyder in the process.

it doesnt matter about ryan or newton or anyone else Rg3 is a bust after 2 years and that is it with him

 

[Sharkinva]

This is no attack on you btw....
But what makes you say that? In his rookie season without any wide receivers and NO defense...he completely turned a piece of crap organization around. Won the division, ROY and led the team to the playoffs, people were talking about the redskins and RGIII. We were excited! How is he not the guy? It can't be because of injury or one bad season is it? I don't think Atlanta is considering trading Matt Ryan....nor did New England consider trading Brady for picks and a cornerstone position player once Cassel had that solid year in their system. This guy simple needs to protect himself and be given at least two receivers who will catch the ball...

Simply put, a franchise QB shows consistency. Now i know people will say the injury had alot to do with it, and i will give you that. But fact is, griffin did well in a system that was designed for his particular skill set. What he showed this year was, that without the threat of him being able to run, he is average at best as a QB. When he can read defenses, call audibles and make accurate throws to WRs who are not running wide open, then he might be considered a franchise QB. But right now, he is simply a guy who had a stellar rookie year, but also showed he still has alot of work to be a franchise QB.

 

[Sharkinva]

waste of time , sharks mantra is Rg3 is a bust and it gives him another opportunity to pile on snyder in the process.

it doesnt matter about ryan or newton or anyone else Rg3 is a bust after 2 years and that is it with him

I didnt say he was a bust. I just dont see him as a franchise QB yet. And depending on how this whole coaching thing goes now, he might not ever be one. Just because we traded half a draft for him doesnt mean he is a franchise QB. At least not in my book.

 

[skinsdad62]

I didnt say he was a bust. I just dont see him as a franchise QB yet. And depending on how this whole coaching thing goes now, he might not ever be one. Just because we traded half a draft for him doesnt mean he is a franchise QB. At least not in my book.

you own words indict you . you said if he didnt win 2 superbowls then the trade was a failure

if a number 2 overall pick doesnt become a franchise qb then he is a bust

i believe we will see great improvement in RG3 and we should play to his strengths (and no he isnt solely a read option guy ) because the offense at baylor was more of a spread attack

when he was given time last season he made progressions and reads you just seem to forget that

 

[Sharkinva]

you own words indict you . you said if he didnt win 2 superbowls then the trade was a failure

if a number 2 overall pick doesnt become a franchise qb then he is a bust

i believe we will see great improvement in RG3 and we should play to his strengths (and no he isnt solely a read option guy ) because the offense at baylor was more of a spread attack

when he was given time last season he made progressions and reads you just seem to forget that

So where do those two statements not ring true?? Would you trade 4 high draft picks for a guy with Romo's career?? Or how about McNabb?? Both were considered "franchise QB's" but Im sorry dude. Four picks for one guy, if he doesnt win at least two Lombardis as the Skins starter, the trade was a failure. And if he doesnt become a franchise QB which he isnt right now, then yes he would be considered a bust. Now is he a bust right this moment?? No. But he also isnt a franchise QB either.

 

[Freeforall]

Nothing in Mikes actions said he actually wanted Haynesworth on this team. And in fact, he did everything he could to Not have him on the team. You are right he didnt have to rework his deal, but its moves like that when he obviously didnt want the guy on the team that leads me to think there was a little more going on in the background. If you actually looked at Shanahan over the years before he came to DC, you will notice the Haynesworth restructure, the McNabb trade and the RG3 trade were totally out of character for him.

Mike's actions as the personal director says more than anything he's done with the team during his tenure. Overall, he has final decision over the players and staff. Haynesworth could've been released when he got here. Instead, he made an example out of him and strung the BS along. McNabb, Rex, and Beck as the qbs. Mike staking his rep on those guys. Jamaal Brown wasted a 3rd round pick and money on him. Josh Lebris, another 3rd round pick.

 

[skinsdad62]

So where do those two statements not ring true?? Would you trade 4 high draft picks for a guy with Romo's career?? Or how about McNabb?? Both were considered "franchise QB's" but Im sorry dude. Four picks for one guy, if he doesnt win at least two Lombardis as the Skins starter, the trade was a failure. And if he doesnt become a franchise QB which he isnt right now, then yes he would be considered a bust. Now is he a bust right this moment?? No. But he also isnt a franchise QB either.

romo and mcnabb have played more then 2 years

 

[Sharkinva]

romo and mcnabb have played more then 2 years

That doesnt answer the question... would you give up 4 high draft picks for them?? You give up that kind of collateral, you expect the next Peyton Manning, Dan Marino.. some one of that caliber. Or am i just expecting too much?? If i am, tell me now and maybe i will lower my expectations and hope that RG3 some day is as good as McNabb or romo.

 

[skinsdad62]

That doesnt answer the question... would you give up 4 high draft picks for them?? You give up that kind of collateral, you expect the next Peyton Manning, Dan Marino.. some one of that caliber. Or am i just expecting too much?? If i am, tell me now and maybe i will lower my expectations and hope that RG3 some day is as good as McNabb or romo.

of course it does . dmac and romo have played for several years and their reputations have been established

you have given them a fair amount of time to grow

Rg3 is still a young pup but yet you have predetermined his fate you already have in your mind he wont produce

most fair minded people would give him more time till we make a sweeping statement ;like that

what if romo and Dmac make the HALL ? hard to agrue drafting or signing them after that isnt it ?

wouldnt it fall on management to get players around them ?

 

[Sharkinva]

of course it does . dmac and romo have played for several years and their reputations have been established

you have given them a fair amount of time to grow

Rg3 is still a young pup but yet you have predetermined his fate you already have in your mind he wont produce

most fair minded people would give him more time till we make a sweeping statement ;like that

what if romo and Dmac make the HALL ? hard to agrue drafting or signing them after that isnt it ?

wouldnt it fall on management to get players around them ?

Wrong. I have predetermined what one would likely expect in return for 3 firsts and a second round pick. I have predetermined what level I expect from a player if he is to be called a franchise QB. I have never said he IS a bust, or that he can not become a franchise QB. People apparently get their boxers torqued though if you dont say griffin is a franchise QB now and that he was worth the very steep price we paid for him. Currently he isnt a franchise QB, and to this point the jury is still out on if he was worth the price or not. to proclaim him a franchise QB worthy of the price based on one good season and one average at best season is shear fanboy SportsHoopla.

 

[skinsdad62]

Wrong. I have predetermined what one would likely expect in return for 3 firsts and a second round pick. I have predetermined what level I expect from a player if he is to be called a franchise QB. I have never said he IS a bust, or that he can not become a franchise QB. People apparently get their boxers torqued though if you dont say griffin is a franchise QB now and that he was worth the very steep price we paid for him. Currently he isnt a franchise QB, and to this point the jury is still out on if he was worth the price or not. to proclaim him a franchise QB worthy of the price based on one good season and one average at best season is shear fanboy SportsHoopla.

then the way you are saying it is coming out wrong because that isnt what people are taking away from it

starting threads with RGME , asking who he will throw under the bus next , saying he is "coddled " dont come across in text as being fair and open minded . that you think he will be a franchise qb

i am sorry it doesnt come across that way . it comes off as talking around him being a bust without having the guts to say he is or hedging a bet

the guy has played 2 season . he has been ROY , set numerous records , and yet you only see half of his work . you throw out the injury and its affects and you dont see the totality of his work . the fact that you compare him to DMAC and Romo shows that you have predetermined how his career could go

i mean i can go to rose colored homerville and say he will revolutionize the qb position and take us to a decade of superbowls and i would still be just as foolish as you are being

he has played 2 years ! it took flacco how long to win a superbowl ? manning ? either one ? 2 years does not a career make .