Bengals extend Atkins 5yrs -55million

[CrashDavisSports]

Aren't we still like a gazillion dollars below the cap?

That means the Bengals have spent about $140 million in cash this season over the $123 million salary cap. The Atkins extension is the first part of a plan designed to keep the club's back-to-back playoff team intact in the face of some huge signings. The Bengals rolled about $10 million from this year's cap into next year's cap, their first shot at re-signing two-time Pro Bowl wide receiver A.J. Green and quarterback Andy Dalton, and while Atkins may have carved into it some they've got the first piece secured.

 

[ckhokie]

I am still unsure why resigning Dalton long term seems to be such a given with this franchise according to writers and some of the posters here

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Can we at least give Dalton this season to see how he grew from last season to this season?

He had a sophmore slump, let's see if he can grow from that experience like a lot of professional QB's do.

If not, then we can start talking about new plans. It isn't like he is a worthless QB and shows no future as a professional QB.

 

[ckhokie]

I have been willing to give Dalton this season. But part of deciding after this season is not making it sound like he's a lock for us to be saving money for.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I have been willing to give Dalton this season. But part of deciding after this season is not making it sound like he's a lock for us to be saving money for.

Well, in order to talk about changing QB's, you have to have an alternative solution, and we have no legitimate QB on our team to even consider replacing Dalton with at this point (Johnson / Robinson). If there is somehow a starter available in the offseason, or we have one of the top young QB's in all of college football fall to us at the 32nd pick in the draft, then maybe we should consider it, IF Dalton is the worst part of this team.

 

[flamingrey]

That means the Bengals have spent about $140 million in cash this season over the $123 million salary cap. The Atkins extension is the first part of a plan designed to keep the club's back-to-back playoff team intact in the face of some huge signings. The Bengals rolled about $10 million from this year's cap into next year's cap, their first shot at re-signing two-time Pro Bowl wide receiver A.J. Green and quarterback Andy Dalton, and while Atkins may have carved into it some they've got the first piece secured.

What source is that? Hobson? So someone is trying to sell that our salary is at $140 million yet we're still carrying over $10 million despite the cap being $123 million?

We'll see if the Bengals actually use the $10 million in cap next year. And it's funny how only the Bengals have this "issue" that we MUST carry over money otherwise all hell will break loose. Propaganda. The best managed teams in the league manage to spend to the cap every year and creatively manage the contracts of the players to allow them to keep their best year after year.

 

[cincygrad]

The way the Bengals have managed their young talent is highly commendable. You could easily make the argument that they are just lucky that the new CBA favors their "cheap" approach and gives the team the major advantage of exclusive negotiation (we can re-sign guys a year before they hit the market).

Make no mistake -- I'm as pessimistic as the next guy but there isn't a lot I would change about the way we've managed personnel over the past two years. Coaching is another story.....

 

[cincygrad]

What source is that? Hobson? So someone is trying to sell that our salary is at $140 million yet we're still carrying over $10 million despite the cap being $123 million?

We'll see if the Bengals actually use the $10 million in cap next year. And it's funny how only the Bengals have this "issue" that we MUST carry over money otherwise all hell will break loose. Propaganda. The best managed teams in the league manage to spend to the cap every year and creatively manage the contracts of the players to allow them to keep their best year after year.[/QUOTE]

This is true, but they also do one other thing that I think you'll be unlikely to see with Mike Brown..... They release or don't re-sign high priced talent that is in the back end of their career. Teams like the Patriots and Ravens routinely let vet players move on even if those players were major pieces of the franchise. For the most part, it always seems to pay off (though we'll see how much the Pats miss Welker and the Ravens miss Boldin)..... But it's a risk that I wouldn't expect Mike Brown to be big on taking.

 

[DanBengalfan]

let us not say Dalton had a sophmore slump, that's just not true.

He had better stats his second year than he did his first year.

Andy Dalton Stats - Cincinnati Bengals - ESPN

 

[CrashDavisSports]

What source is that? Hobson? So someone is trying to sell that our salary is at $140 million yet we're still carrying over $10 million despite the cap being $123 million?

We'll see if the Bengals actually use the $10 million in cap next year. And it's funny how only the Bengals have this "issue" that we MUST carry over money otherwise all hell will break loose. Propaganda. The best managed teams in the league manage to spend to the cap every year and creatively manage the contracts of the players to allow them to keep their best year after year.

You mean like the Broncos and Dumerville did this last year?

 

[jwil007]

Send a 2nd to DC for Kurt Cousins and lets move forward....I believe he has reached his ceiling....

 

[cincygrad]

Send a 2nd to DC for Kurt Cousins and lets move forward....I believe he has reached his ceiling....

Cousins is essentially the same guy as Dalton. Why do you want to send a 2nd rounder for a 4th round player that has the same limitations as our ginger?

 

[jwil007]

Cousins is essentially the same guy as Dalton. Why do you want to send a 2nd rounder for a 4th round player that has the same limitations as our ginger?

I think he is better honestly....just how I feel...We will find out soon enough starting in 2014 wont we? No reason to debate all season..You feel 1 way I feel another...Lets see what happens... I think Cousins has better arm strength..I think he is more mobile than Andy and he has better leadership skills than Andy to me as well.....Just a difference of opinion...

 

[JBUCK66]

not 1 team quits on Dalton yet........rediculous

 

[bengaldoug]

This year will tell the story. He could still move forward, though I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

not 1 team quits on Dalton yet........rediculous

He hasn't done anything in his first two years that would make any team give up on him yet. he is putting up numbers, he is growing more and more into the leadership role, his numbers improved from one year to the next even if it wasn't what we hoped, and he is looking like he could have a breakout year with all this newly acquired talent around him.

The best addition we could have made was Eifert, because now we get to run a 2 TE set, and it will light a fire under Gresham's ass hopfully. Gresham will not want to be a blocker 90% of the time while Eifert gets all t he balls, so you can bet he is not going to be so lackadaisical while trying to catch a 3rd down pass this year.

When we first made the pick, I was like WTF, but now I am like...that was the best possible pick we could have made in the entire draft. If we had a much higher draft pick, I am not sure I would prefer a different player now.

Offensive line struggled at times last year, the run game was almost obsolete, we had no one of dependability catching a football outside of Green, and Dalton was trying to get over a sophomore season where defensive coordinators have lots of tape on how to stop Dalton and the offense, and Dalton trying to figure out how to adjust to that new pressure and schemes.

I have reservations about Dalton, but shit, is there a reason to be so damn negative already, after a season we saw our young QB with no arm strength throw for 27 TD's, and has a career red zone TD:INT ratio of 35-0? Why so negative? Because he can't drop a ball on a dime from 50 yards out? Because he can't throw it 70 yards in the air? We see how arm strength served Boller over the years. Arm strength is important, but some of you are OVER valuing it to the extreme.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Kurt Cousins is a 4th round QB who has played parts of 3 games and has a 4:3 TD:INT ratio on a team who has one of the best run games in the NFL. Yeah lets trade a 2nd rounder for him. That makes perfect sense. Why not just trade them Leon Hall so we can be just like the Eagles when they traded for Kevin Kolb.

 

[DanBengalfan]

so if Dalton's rating in year 1 was 80, and in year 2 it was 87, then in year 3 it should be 94, we got ourselves a tony Romo over here.

 

[flamingrey]

The way the Bengals have managed their young talent is highly commendable. You could easily make the argument that they are just lucky that the new CBA favors their "cheap" approach and gives the team the major advantage of exclusive negotiation (we can re-sign guys a year before they hit the market).

Make no mistake -- I'm as pessimistic as the next guy but there isn't a lot I would change about the way we've managed personnel over the past two years. Coaching is another story.....

There was exactly a 0% chance Atkins wouldn't have resigned. Just like there will be exactly a 0% chance we don't resign Dunlap and Dalton if we choose to keep them, assuming we don't absolutely low ball them in the beginning. All for the fact that they are on 2nd round or later contract money. They could wait a year or 2 and risk injury and sign a contract for almost $10 million more than what we offer and they'd still be worse off having been paid that year or 2 at a much lower salary than they'd have gotten had they extended.

I just don't see that as being "commendable". It also won't be "commendable" when they're able to resign Green either. I didn't include him in the above list because he's making much more than those other guys, but there's probably a 3% chance we don't resign him. It's just how the business works.

 

[flamingrey]

You mean like the Broncos and Dumerville did this last year?

That's the best you can do? It is a well known FACT that both sides had agreed to a contract but the agent botched the signing.