Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[fightinfunbags]

Wow. Talk about excusing bad behavior.

6 years of coddling him and protecting him and getting rid of players because he didn't want them on the team and the moment they say even the most tepid of criticisms of him and he demands to be traded? And you think the problem is the Sixers not coddling him enough?

I’ve come to understand that he will justify any action of Simmons as “that’s what crazy does” and he holds a standard that everyone else has to be perfect. 5 years of public support isn’t enough in his eyes. In his eyes, candid remarks after losing a Game 7 are all that matters. It’s essentially tantamount to Rosie O’Donnell mocking a Super model’s birth mark.

 

[flyerhawk]

I’ve come to understand that he will justify any action of Simmons as “that’s what crazy does” and he holds a standard that everyone else has to be perfect. 5 years of public support isn’t enough in his eyes. In his eyes, candid remarks after losing a Game 7 are all that matters. It’s essentially tantamount to Rosie O’Donnell mocking a Super model’s birth mark.

I agree with him that the Sixers made mistakes. But I completely disagree with him that this is even 50/50 Sixers and Simmons.

Simmons decided that it would be better to be upset at some tepid criticisms than admit that his flaws are a problem. He refuses to even speak to the media, local or national.

 

[trojanfan12]

There is no stalemate. Simmons lost. You seem to not understand this.

Weird "win" for the Sixers.

Trading Simmons so they could be a somewhat better early round exit team achieves nothing.

And letting this drag on is making them what?

 

[flyerhawk]

And letting this drag on is making them what?

An early round playoff exit. Status quo or a trade for spare parts gets us the same thing.

Holding on to Simmons and waiting for a team that decides that they would prefer to be a playoff team rather than a late lottery pick**cough Kings cough**, that they are willing to make a move for Simmons.

Which is why the Sixers keep leaking that they want a king's ransom for Simmons. Morey knows he isn't getting anything close to what he's demanding. But he wants the teams that do eventually come to talk to him, to understand that it won't be a bargain bin fire sale.

 

[tlance]

Wow. Talk about excusing bad behavior.

6 years of coddling him and protecting him and getting rid of players because he didn't want them on the team and the moment they say even the most tepid of criticisms of him and he demands to be traded? And you think the problem is the Sixers not coddling him enough?

It was not tepid criticism.

The coach of the team said he wasn’t sure they could win a championship with him.

That is a ridiculous thing to say publicly whether it is true or not.

 

[tlance]

I’ve come to understand that he will justify any action of Simmons as “that’s what crazy does” and he holds a standard that everyone else has to be perfect. 5 years of public support isn’t enough in his eyes. In his eyes, candid remarks after losing a Game 7 are all that matters. It’s essentially tantamount to Rosie O’Donnell mocking a Super model’s birth mark.

That is what crazy does.

The 6ers should have known he was crazy, continued to treat him with kid gloves and then traded him at the first available opportunity.

That ship has sailed.

 

[tlance]

I agree with him that the Sixers made mistakes. But I completely disagree with him that this is even 50/50 Sixers and Simmons.

Simmons decided that it would be better to be upset at some tepid criticisms than admit that his flaws are a problem. He refuses to even speak to the media, local or national.

It doesn’t matter how much you want to blame Simmons.

We can all agree he is deeply flawed at best.

6ers just publicly exposed his flaws for all his potential trading partners to see.

That is incredibly stupid and short sighted.

It is also why coaches/players are usually given public votes of coincidence before they are fired/traded.

So that you don’t create a toxic situation where they player doesn’t want to be there and is now personally vested in making life hell for the franchise.

 

[ill]

It doesn’t matter how much you want to blame Simmons.

We can all agree he is deeply flawed at best.

6ers just publicly exposed his flaws for all his potential trading partners to see.

That is incredibly stupid and short sighted.

It is also why coaches/players are usually given public votes of coincidence before they are fired/traded.

So that you don’t create a toxic situation where they player doesn’t want to be there and is now personally vested in making life hell for the franchise.

Simmons kind of exposed a couple of those flaws on his own.

he doesn't shoot 3s, he backed off a layup against Trey Young...that's on him. He couldn't shoot a free throw...

The Sixers praised what he did well. His defense was great, his court management and passing were fine.

they had every intention of working towards winning with Simmons on this team...

then he decided he wanted to be a diva

 

[thunderc]

They caused the whole thing by publicly criticizing him after the playoff loss.

Simple.

That talk belonged in the locker room. And if they could have kept it private, they could have quietly traded him in the off season.

Instead, they started the drama and have continued to escalate it.

So yeah, they messed up. And they should have known Simmons would react in a childish way.

This the worst of your takes and it’s bad. They were not going to be able to do anything quietly. You see people that know basketball watched him implode on the floor before their very eyes. Any talk of keeping the shades closed on that is just pure ignorance.

 

[flyerhawk]

It was not tepid criticism.

The coach of the team said he wasn’t sure they could win a championship with him.

That is a ridiculous thing to say publicly whether it is true or not.

So when Pop said that Jakon Poetl was a problem on the court who has never improved his free throw shooting, that was bad right?

Doc screwed up by making that comment. But Simmons took a situation that was at a 2 and ratcheted it up to 12. If Simmons doesn't have a complete hissy fit NO ONE talks about this a week later.

 

[ill]

So when Pop said that Jakon Poetl was a problem on the court who has never improved his free throw shooting, that was bad right?

Doc screwed up by making that comment. But Simmons took a situation that was at a 2 and ratcheted it up to 12. If Simmons doesn't have a complete hissy fit NO ONE talks about this a week later.

I agree

Simmons is well aware of his weaknesses and they were glaring during the playoffs. What did you want Doc to say?

Simmons should take that and use it to get him fired up to be a better player...not collapse and show he doesn't have much of a backbone

 

[fightinfunbags]

That is what crazy does.

The 6ers should have known he was crazy, continued to treat him with kid gloves and then traded him at the first available opportunity.

That ship has sailed.

Should the Sixers be allowed to apply Vaseline prior to getting fucked in the ass by Simmons and Rich Paul or in order to complete this whole fiasco it has to be sans lube? I am not the type of person who allows other to walk all over me so I need some guidance on what’s acceptable in those situations.

 

[fightinfunbags]

6ers just publicly exposed his flaws for all his potential trading partners to see.

So the Sixers are responsible for Ben Simmons being the same player he was his ROTY season?
So the Sixers are responsible for the 4 or 5 leaks of “reasons” why he wanted out this summer?
So the Sixers are responsible for creating a loophole in the collective bargaining agreement that opens the door for Simmons to make up a mental health condition that he doesn’t have?

These are the things that have impacted Ben Simmons trade value.

 

[flyerhawk]

It doesn’t matter how much you want to blame Simmons.

We can all agree he is deeply flawed at best.

6ers just publicly exposed his flaws for all his potential trading partners to see.

That is incredibly stupid and short sighted.

It is also why coaches/players are usually given public votes of coincidence before they are fired/traded.

So that you don’t create a toxic situation where they player doesn’t want to be there and is now personally vested in making life hell for the franchise.

You are operating with a lot of hindsight.

Doc Rivers said something he shouldn't have. But the Sixers organization publicly praised Simmons throughout the summer. But Simmons, reportedly, demanded that the organization publicly rebuke Doc and Embiid for their comments which is just ridiculous.

The Sixers wanted to trade Simmons. But he was already was at the nadir of his trade value before all of the trade demands came out. The reality is that teams were looking at Simmons as a buy low opportunity and Morey wasn't willing to do that. That was true whether Doc and Embiid said what they said or not.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Doc’s numerous comments of this nature over the season mean zero. All that matters is a half hearted “I don’t know”. And that’s apparently a reasonable take. Fast forward to 2:40 to hear Doc gush praise over Simmons and call him a “treasure”. We really should grant validity to adults who act like petulant children.

 

[Iggloo]

The arguments for why the Sixers should cave at this point and trade Simmons for nothing are laughable and show some posters have an agenda.

Such a trade would do nothing to benefit the Sixers. Some of these players named as potential options would not even start for the team and maybe be rotation guys at best.

If the point is to avoid the "distraction" you may want to note that the locker room seems totally fine, arguably much better in fact, without Simmons in the mix.

Let him rot. That's where we're at, and the Sixers and their fans seem totally OK with it. So that's what's going to happen. Expect more whining from Rich Paul though. I love how he talks about how all of this is hurting Ben's mental health when he is the only one talking about it BTW.

 

[trojanfan12]

An early round playoff exit. Status quo or a trade for spare parts gets us the same thing.

Maybe. On the other hand, addition by subtraction is sometimes a real thing with teams.

Holding on to Simmons and waiting for a team that decides that they would prefer to be a playoff team rather than a late lottery pick**cough Kings cough**, that they are willing to make a move for Simmons.

The problem with that is...there will be other teams who may be considering a re-build who are looking to move players with a lot less baggage.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Maybe. On the other hand, addition by subtraction is sometimes a real thing with teams.



The problem with that is...there will be other teams who may be considering a re-build who are looking to move players with a lot less baggage.

They probably aren’t 3 time all stars and the best perimeter defender in the league though.

 

[trojanfan12]

Simmons kind of exposed a couple of those flaws on his own.

he doesn't shoot 3s, he backed off a layup against Trey Young...that's on him. He couldn't shoot a free throw...

The Sixers praised what he did well. His defense was great, his court management and passing were fine.

they had every intention of working towards winning with Simmons on this team...

then he decided he wanted to be a diva

Damn.

And I thought Cleveland fans were bad.

 

[Iggloo]

Simmons has already been subtracted from the lineup, so the addition by subtraction thing you mentioned has already happened. Since he is not practicing or traveling or doing anything with the team, he has lost any ability he might have had to be a distraction or sideshow. Perhaps that was a strategic error by Simmons and Paul, but the bottom line is Simmons is too passive and weak to try that shit. He lasted like one practice. The second, Doc sent his ass home when he wasn't trying.

So again, what would be accomplished by trading him for peanuts right now, from the Sixers standpoint? Answer: nothing.