Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[fightinfunbags]

Stop it.

His first year was a management decision that benefitted the 6ers tank.

Don’t make it sound like it was Ben’s choice to sit out all that time.

It is attitudes like this that makes me say Philly deserves the drama.

You sure about this? Everything I’ve read is that it was Simmons decision to stay out that year because of a ROTY bonus he was set to get.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I think you are right in that is what they are trying to do.

Don’t think it will work though.

The further removed Simmons is from playing effectively, the more questions trade partners will have about his desire to play and his mental health.

I just don’t see his trade value being significantly higher than it is today. And it could actually get a lot lower.

I think you may be the only guy who is looking at this like the mental health claim is legit. Simmons would play for any other team and when he gets traded he’s going to snap his fingers, be all better and be on the court in a week. It’s a ruse so that he can continue to get paid.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Especially when he’s flirting with disaster. He’s clearly crossed a really bad line. He’s in effect making fun of a very real societal issue with a stigma. He’s using it to further his own personal desires.

Yep. Not at all a good look

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The problem, imo, is that there are varying degrees of mental health issues. For example, someone may be depressed because they are going through a rough time in their life. It may still qualify as a mental issue and they may still require some help to get through it, but it's not on the level of bipolar depression.

The issue with that of course is, like someone claiming a back injury, it's not that difficult to present it as a worse problem than it really is.

For me, what makes it suspect is that there really doesn't appear to be, nor has it ever appeared, that he is/was doing anything about it until this situation where he is looking at the possibility of not getting paid.

Also, while I understand him not trusting team doctors, I think he should still have to use them. Otherwise, how are the Sixers to know that he's really trying to resolve the issue? Of course he can still see his own doctors, but the Sixers need to be able to have some proof that he's doing what is required for them to have to pay him.

I don't think you can successfully force that through once the NBPA gets their lawyers involved. It's tricky to force someone to see a specific doctor.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I think their plan is to just stay in limbo until teams get desperate to make a move and up their offers. We'll see if it works.

It definitely is a save face move by Morey who drastically fucked this up in the summer.

Let's even pretend Ben Simmons has no behavior issues and we just evaluate him strictly on his output....what was or is his value? Because it sure as hell isn't what was being asked for.

If you shoot 35 percent from the line in a playoffs you completely crush your trade value.

 

[fightinfunbags]

It definitely is a save face move by Morey who drastically fucked this up in the summer.

Let's even pretend Ben Simmons has no behavior issues and we just evaluate him strictly on his output....what was or is his value? Because it sure as hell isn't what was being asked for.

If you shoot 35 percent from the line in a playoffs you completely crush your trade value.

Right now, Ben Simmons immediately makes the Blazers better with a swap of CJ McCollum. I’ve been following them closely and the things that make this move make sense:
1. Current roster is going nowhere
2. They risk losing Dame if they don’t get some change in there
3. Growth of Anfernee Simmons - he has become instant offense and could move into that CJ scoring role
4. Blazers defense blows and adding Simmons can really help that aspect of their team
5. Simmons can approximate that Draymond role of a playmaking forward or even play as a small ball 5 and be utilized like Jokic in Denver as a facilitator

I think a McCollum/Simmons deal makes sense for both teams.

 

[The Q]

Right now, Ben Simmons immediately makes the Blazers better with a swap of CJ McCollum. I’ve been following them closely and the things that make this move make sense:
1. Current roster is going nowhere
2. They risk losing Dame if they don’t get some change in there
3. Growth of Anfernee Simmons - he has become instant offense and could move into that CJ scoring role
4. Blazers defense blows and adding Simmons can really help that aspect of their team
5. Simmons can approximate that Draymond role of a playmaking forward or even play as a small ball 5 and be utilized like Jokic in Denver as a facilitator

I think a McCollum/Simmons deal makes sense for both teams.

Finally a reasonable take

Morey needs to be that reasonable

 

[DJ Fieri]

You sure about this? Everything I’ve read is that it was Simmons decision to stay out that year because of a ROTY bonus he was set to get.

No, you're re-writing history.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Finally a reasonable take

Morey needs to be that reasonable

I think if McCollum for Simmons is on the table Morey would have done it already. He can sell that move as adding an impact level guy to pair with Embiid and Harris. He’s also a great fit as he can play the 1 or 2 giving the Sixers options to close. Obviously McCollum would be a staple but they can play matchups with Curry at the 2 or Maxey at the 1 and McCollum plays the other spot. Or they can take Green/Thybulle off the floor and close with Maxey Curry McCollum Harris Embiid. I think it’s Portland holding back on dealing McCollum.

 

[fightinfunbags]

No, the 76ers were being extra cautious with him.

Simmons decision was beneficial to the Sixers tank but from what I’ve read it was driven by Simmons. He was due a big bonus from his sneaker company contract if he won ROTY. With him missing the first 2 months of the season legitimately with the injury that was likely not happening. That’s why he held out the rest of the year. It was driven by Simmons but since it fit the Sixers goals, they allowed it to happen.

 

[DJ Fieri]

The bleacher report article won't post.

 

[The Q]

I think if McCollum for Simmons is on the table Morey would have done it already. He can sell that move as adding an impact level guy to pair with Embiid and Harris. He’s also a great fit as he can play the 1 or 2 giving the Sixers options to close. Obviously McCollum would be a staple but they can play matchups with Curry at the 2 or Maxey at the 1 and McCollum plays the other spot. Or they can take Green/Thybulle off the floor and close with Maxey Curry McCollum Harris Embiid. I think it’s Portland holding back on dealing McCollum.

The rumor was they wanted 2-3 firsts with cj to make the deal

That’s the kind of shit why the sixers deserve this mess lol

 

[DJ Fieri]

No. 1 pick Ben Simmons won’t play this season due to foot injury

Ben Simmons is officially out for the season.

www.si.com

 

[tlance]

I think you may be the only guy who is looking at this like the mental health claim is legit. Simmons would play for any other team and when he gets traded he’s going to snap his fingers, be all better and be on the court in a week. It’s a ruse so that he can continue to get paid.

I do think the mental health claim could be legit.

You all talk about how fragile he is.

And the entire fan base turned on him after the playoffs when he was very clearly in his own head and playing with no confidence.

His performance in the playoffs was not an effort issue. He did not believe in himself. And when he needed teammates and fans to support him most, they all turned on him.

So yeah, the mental health issue could be anxiety related to playing in front of those hostile fans. And yes, Simmons being trading could magically make most of that go away. At least to the point where he could take the court again.

At what level? I don’t know. Time will tell on that.

 

[tlance]

Simmons decision was beneficial to the Sixers tank but from what I’ve read it was driven by Simmons. He was due a big bonus from his sneaker company contract if he won ROTY. With him missing the first 2 months of the season legitimately with the injury that was likely not happening. That’s why he held out the rest of the year. It was driven by Simmons but since it fit the Sixers goals, they allowed it to happen.

Ok, had not heard that.

But still…

Like you said it was mutually beneficially. So holding that against Simmons now completely changes the narrative. Sixer fans can’t be mad at him for sitting out his rookie season.

 

[fightinfunbags]

The rumor was they wanted 2-3 firsts with cj to make the deal

That’s the kind of shit why the sixers deserve this mess lol

What did the Cs do to deserve Luka’s walk off last night?

 

[fightinfunbags]

Ok, had not heard that.

But still…

Like you said it was mutually beneficially. So holding that against Simmons now completely changes the narrative. Sixer fans can’t be mad at him for sitting out his rookie season.

Agreed. There are enough other things to criticize him for. The most of which is being gifted with unicorn like ability, being paid for that ability, and not doing his part in adding on to his game and attempting to reach his potential.

 

[Iggloo]

bEn SImMonS RuINeD SiXeRS ChEMIStrY

Reality: Team wins 6 straight, Doc gets his 1,000th win, and the vibe is golden

 

[tlance]

Agreed. There are enough other things to criticize him for. The most of which is being gifted with unicorn like ability, being paid for that ability, and not doing his part in adding on to his game and attempting to reach his potential.

See now.

Yet another assumption.

We see Ben Simmons shooting in summer workouts and pick up games, and the shot looks pretty good.

I don’t think he is the hardest worker in the league by any stretch. He does seem to be more on the lazy side when it comes to workouts. But I also don’t think he is the man 6er fans want to portray him as.

It is very clear to me that he has extreme issues with confidence. And I think that has a lot more to do with his shooting performance or his unwillingness to attempt shots than failure to work on his game.

 

[The Q]

What did the Cs do to deserve Luka’s walk off last night?

I was born