Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[shopson67]

I disagree. Embiid (a dominant 5 most effective on the block and the elbow) is the worst possible pairing with Ben Simmons. His drive and finish game or drive and kick to a shooter is the strength of his offensive game. The Sixers also fooled around a little bit with him posting at the foul line and being a passer or driver from that spot. That becomes difficult to even explore with Embiid on the floor. I felt like of all the nonsense Simmons has been spewing recently that the only one that made sense is that Simmons/Embiid is a bad fit for Simmons's game.

I'm looking at Houston, Indiana and Minnesota as potential fits. Do they have enough to get a trade done though?

Simmons and filler to Houston for Wall and a pick?

Would Indiana move Sabonis in a package for Simmons?

Simmons for Minnesota for Beasley, Prince and picks? Don't think they can move Russell without pissing off Towns, and no way do they move Edwards.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I'm looking at Houston, Indiana and Minnesota as potential fits. Do they have enough to get a trade done though?

Simmons and filler to Houston for Wall and a pick?

Would Indiana move Sabonis in a package for Simmons?

Simmons for Minnesota for Beasley, Prince and picks? Don't think they can move Russell without pissing off Towns, and no way do they move Edwards.

1. Don't want John Wall and the Sixers would actually have to GIVE more assets to make that salary swap work.
2. Sabonis has a limited role on a team with Embiid. LaVert and the former ROTY who was with the Bucks (name escapes me) are better options
3. I hate everything about Minnesota that doesn't involve Edwards. I don't want Russell anywhere near the team.

I personally value the Kings possible deals and the Cavs possible deals that don't involve Kevin Love as the ones I would value. And also, I don't have a single fuck to give about Ben Simmons fit on his destination. Somebody else's problem.

 

[The Q]

1. Don't want John Wall and the Sixers would actually have to GIVE more assets to make that salary swap work.
2. Sabonis has a limited role on a team with Embiid. LaVert and the former ROTY who was with the Bucks (name escapes me) are better options
3. I hate everything about Minnesota that doesn't involve Edwards. I don't want Russell anywhere near the team.

I personally value the Kings possible deals and the Cavs possible deals that don't involve Kevin Love as the ones I would value. And also, I don't have a single fuck to give about Ben Simmons fit on his destination. Somebody else's problem.

Brogdan and levert is fun for everyone

Indiana needs a swing like that since they can’t get stars to sign there in fa

 

[flyerhawk]

I disagree. Embiid (a dominant 5 most effective on the block and the elbow) is the worst possible pairing with Ben Simmons. His drive and finish game or drive and kick to a shooter is the strength of his offensive game. The Sixers also fooled around a little bit with him posting at the foul line and being a passer or driver from that spot. That becomes difficult to even explore with Embiid on the floor. I felt like of all the nonsense Simmons has been spewing recently that the only one that made sense is that Simmons/Embiid is a bad fit for Simmons's game.

The numbers don't lie though. When Simmons and Embiid are on the floor together they have been very good. At least in the regular season.



Joel Embiid was a 38% shooter from the arc last year. His face up game improved DRAMATICALLY last year. It's not like he can only succeed in the paint or with his back to the basket.

Simmons' drive game isn't a threat if he's not willing to get fouled. And that's the problem. If Simmons drove hard to the hoop, drew the foul and made the basket, then teams would be forced to collapse on him in the paint and you could have Embiid in the dunker spot or at the elbow driving into guys out of position.

But that all requires that Simmons is making his free throws at a decent clip. When he was, the Sixers starting 5 were close to unstoppable.

 

[flyerhawk]

I'm looking at Houston, Indiana and Minnesota as potential fits. Do they have enough to get a trade done though?

Simmons and filler to Houston for Wall and a pick?

Would Indiana move Sabonis in a package for Simmons?

Simmons for Minnesota for Beasley, Prince and picks? Don't think they can move Russell without pissing off Towns, and no way do they move Edwards.

Hard no on Wall. That would be a terrible move. Sabonis isn't what the Sixers need. Minnesota needs to find a trade partner that is willing to give up a quality PG in exchange for draft picks and mid-tier talent.

 

[shopson67]

1. Don't want John Wall and the Sixers would actually have to GIVE more assets to make that salary swap work.
2. Sabonis has a limited role on a team with Embiid. LaVert and the former ROTY who was with the Bucks (name escapes me) are better options
3. I hate everything about Minnesota that doesn't involve Edwards. I don't want Russell anywhere near the team.

I personally value the Kings possible deals and the Cavs possible deals that don't involve Kevin Love as the ones I would value. And also, I don't have a single fuck to give about Ben Simmons fit on his destination. Somebody else's problem.

The Kings are a good target. Hield and Bagley?

I can't see Indiana moving their starting PG for Simmons (who shouldn't be considered a PG moving forward). Minnesota would be a few useful pieces on short contracts with the real value being in the picks. Houston would also have to kick in picks, with the Sixers moving a few small contracts with Simmons (I don't know much about the depth guys on the Sixers to know which are most expendable).

Any other deals likely have to be multi-team. The lack of a proper fit just leads to the potential of getting better return IMO. A Cleveland deal would likely have to be a multi-team deal, and tough to fit Simmons (who should be a F) onto a team with a high pick PF and recently re-signed young C already in place.

 

[The Q]

The numbers don't lie though. When Simmons and Embiid are on the floor together they have been very good. At least in the regular season.



Joel Embiid was a 38% shooter from the arc last year. His face up game improved DRAMATICALLY last year. It's not like he can only succeed in the paint or with his back to the basket.

Simmons' drive game isn't a threat if he's not willing to get fouled. And that's the problem. If Simmons drove hard to the hoop, drew the foul and made the basket, then teams would be forced to collapse on him in the paint and you could have Embiid in the dunker spot or at the elbow driving into guys out of position.

But that all requires that Simmons is making his free throws at a decent clip. When he was, the Sixers starting 5 were close to unstoppable.

Simmons has never done that.

His career high is 62%.

If he did nothing but improve that to even 70% the sixers would be killer

 

[flyerhawk]

Brogdan and levert is fun for everyone

Indiana needs a swing like that since they can’t get stars to sign there in fa

Isn't Levert hurt again?

 

[shopson67]

Hard no on Wall. That would be a terrible move. Sabonis isn't what the Sixers need. Minnesota needs to find a trade partner that is willing to give up a quality PG in exchange for draft picks and mid-tier talent.

Sixers have a quality PG IMO (Maxey).

 

[shopson67]

Isn't Levert hurt again?

He's potentially back soon though.

 

[shopson67]

Brogdan and levert is fun for everyone

Indiana needs a swing like that since they can’t get stars to sign there in fa

Why would Indiana move Brogdan without getting a PG in return?

 

[The Q]

Why would Indiana move Brogdan without getting a PG in return?

Simmons is your primary ball handler either way

 

[The Q]

Isn't Levert hurt again?

I thought that was warren

 

[flyerhawk]

Simmons has never done that.

His career high is 62%.

If he did nothing but improve that to even 70% the sixers would be killer

Agreed. He has had stints where he was shooting around 70% and he was basically unstoppable. But then it stops.

 

[flyerhawk]

The Kings are a good target. Hield and Bagley?

So a one dimensional player and a player who is a complete dud?

I can't see Indiana moving their starting PG for Simmons (who shouldn't be considered a PG moving forward). Minnesota would be a few useful pieces on short contracts with the real value being in the picks. Houston would also have to kick in picks, with the Sixers moving a few small contracts with Simmons (I don't know much about the depth guys on the Sixers to know which are most expendable).

Any other deals likely have to be multi-team. The lack of a proper fit just leads to the potential of getting better return IMO. A Cleveland deal would likely have to be a multi-team deal, and tough to fit Simmons (who should be a F) onto a team with a high pick PF and recently re-signed young C already in place.

John Wall is fully cooked. A old PG who can't shoot and lost his athleticism for 40 million a year? Yeah, no thanks.

Simmons has to be the primary ball handler. Otherwise he's a dud on offense.

 

[shopson67]

Simmons is your primary ball handler either way

Haven't we proven that doesn't work?

 

[fightinfunbags]

The numbers don't lie though. When Simmons and Embiid are on the floor together they have been very good. At least in the regular season.



Joel Embiid was a 38% shooter from the arc last year. His face up game improved DRAMATICALLY last year. It's not like he can only succeed in the paint or with his back to the basket.

Simmons' drive game isn't a threat if he's not willing to get fouled. And that's the problem. If Simmons drove hard to the hoop, drew the foul and made the basket, then teams would be forced to collapse on him in the paint and you could have Embiid in the dunker spot or at the elbow driving into guys out of position.

But that all requires that Simmons is making his free throws at a decent clip. When he was, the Sixers starting 5 were close to unstoppable.

Key words are regular season. Come playoff time the game becomes more half court and that’s the area where Ben and Jo don’t flush well together.

 

[fightinfunbags]

The Kings are a good target. Hield and Bagley?

I can't see Indiana moving their starting PG for Simmons (who shouldn't be considered a PG moving forward). Minnesota would be a few useful pieces on short contracts with the real value being in the picks. Houston would also have to kick in picks, with the Sixers moving a few small contracts with Simmons (I don't know much about the depth guys on the Sixers to know which are most expendable).

Any other deals likely have to be multi-team. The lack of a proper fit just leads to the potential of getting better return IMO. A Cleveland deal would likely have to be a multi-team deal, and tough to fit Simmons (who should be a F) onto a team with a high pick PF and recently re-signed young C already in place.

Hield and Halliburton for me. Bagley is either a throw in to get Halliburton or it’s a pass without him. Bagley is a back up 4. Not interested

 

[fightinfunbags]

The numbers don't lie though. When Simmons and Embiid are on the floor together they have been very good. At least in the regular season.



Joel Embiid was a 38% shooter from the arc last year. His face up game improved DRAMATICALLY last year. It's not like he can only succeed in the paint or with his back to the basket.

Simmons' drive game isn't a threat if he's not willing to get fouled. And that's the problem. If Simmons drove hard to the hoop, drew the foul and made the basket, then teams would be forced to collapse on him in the paint and you could have Embiid in the dunker spot or at the elbow driving into guys out of position.

But that all requires that Simmons is making his free throws at a decent clip. When he was, the Sixers starting 5 were close to unstoppable.

Also Embiid’s face up game also clogs the lane. Teams will stack a defender there so that they can bring the double from that area when Embiid catches on the wing.

 

[flyerhawk]

Sixers have a quality PG IMO (Maxey).

I love Maxey but he's only a 2nd year player.