Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[Iggloo]

 

[Iggloo]

 

[shopson67]

Turns out he was just dinged, not full on crippled. Took Curry, Drummond, 2 firsts and taking back Millsap's ghost to get Harden.

 

[flyerhawk]

James Harden, Ben Simmons highlight 76ers-Nets mega-trade: Instant grades and reaction

Two All-Stars are swapping teams in the East in a deal we couldn't have foreseen a month ago.

theathletic.com

A- for both teams seems right. Today at least. Could look very different a year from now for both teams.

 

[thunderc]

James Harden, Ben Simmons highlight 76ers-Nets mega-trade: Instant grades and reaction

Two All-Stars are swapping teams in the East in a deal we couldn't have foreseen a month ago.

theathletic.com

A- for both teams seems right. Today at least. Could look very different a year from now for both teams.

Both teams get an F for allowing themselves to be put in these situations to begin with though.

 

[trojanfan12]

I am old enough to remember when some people in this thread scoffed at the Sixers getting anything for Ben Simmons. Looks like Morey played his cards right.

lol

You realize that the Sixers actually hurt their chances at winning a title and also gave up the kind of return for Harden that they thought they would get for Simmons, right?

 

[tlance]

Turns out he was just dinged, not full on crippled. Took Curry, Drummond, 2 firsts and taking back Millsap's ghost to get Harden.

That is a massive loss for Philly and it does show that Simmons’ trade value is in the dumpster.

Philly had to add an awful lot to get a declining superstar who is a free agent this summer and wanted out of Brooklyn.

 

[msgkings322]

That is a massive loss for Philly and it does show that Simmons’ trade value is in the dumpster.

Philly had to add an awful lot to get a declining superstar who is a free agent this summer and wanted out of Brooklyn.

One more year, he's opting in for $47 mil (!)

 

[flyerhawk]

That is a massive loss for Philly and it does show that Simmons’ trade value is in the dumpster.

Philly had to add an awful lot to get a declining superstar who is a free agent this summer and wanted out of Brooklyn.

A massive loss for Philly? Good grief.

 

[flyerhawk]

lol

You realize that the Sixers actually hurt their chances at winning a title and also gave up the kind of return for Harden that they thought they would get for Simmons, right?

You realize that the Sixers offered Simmons, Thybulle, and multiple 1st for Harden when he was in Houston, right? They balked when Houston demanded Maxey as well.

 

[Shanemansj13]

A massive loss for Philly? Good grief.

Drummond is a nice big off the bench, nothing special but you need a big that can tangle off the bench. No problem with the 2 1st's...I predicted that but I think you are really underestimated Seth Curry. The dude is a sniper, not everyone can play defense or be a playmaker but the dude can absolutely stroke it. If they got Mills or Harris back that would be a win but before the buyout market, Curry was a floor spacer. Are they still a very dangerous team? Absolutely but you are acting like Curry isn't a big loss....he is, plain and simple.

 

[Iggloo]

That is a massive loss for Philly and it does show that Simmons’ trade value is in the dumpster.

Philly had to add an awful lot to get a declining superstar who is a free agent this summer and wanted out of Brooklyn.

He's not a free agent this summer. He opted in as part of the trade.

Harden commanded more than Simmons before Simmons pissed himself and went home, also, if you followed the original attempts by Morey to pry him from Houston.

So you were basically totally wrong. You are also going to be totally wrong when Ben Simmons is miraculously cured of his mental health ailments in the next few days.

 

[bksballer89]

A massive loss for Philly? Good grief.

You heard him. He didn't stutter

 

[tlance]

He's not a free agent this summer. He opted in as part of the trade.

Harden commanded more than Simmons before Simmons pissed himself and went home, also, if you followed the original attempts by Morey to pry him from Houston.

So you were basically totally wrong. You are also going to be totally wrong when Ben Simmons is miraculously cured of his mental health ailments in the next few days.

Nope.

Because I said all along I expect him to play when he is traded. Never said otherwise.

And Harden’s value is not close to what it was a year and a half ago. Sorry.

He has not played well this year.

Yes, Philly had to add a lot. Curry and Drummond both fill direct needs for Brooklyn. Good luck beating them!

 

[flyerhawk]

Drummond is a nice big off the bench, nothing special but you need a big that can tangle off the bench. No problem with the 2 1st's...I predicted that but I think you are really underestimated Seth Curry. The dude is a sniper, not everyone can play defense or be a playmaker but the dude can absolutely stroke it. If they got Mills or Harris back that would be a win but before the buyout market, Curry was a floor spacer. Are they still a very dangerous team? Absolutely but you are acting like Curry isn't a big loss....he is, plain and simple.

I get that I may seem like I'm dismissing Curry which isn't really what I was trying to do. He has value. He's a quality player. But he's a role player.

I think fans have a tendency to view players based solely on their numbers and that can be misleading. Curry is a huge defensive liability and he will ALWAYS be a huge defensive liability because he's small and non athletic. In the regular season that isn't a big deal. But in the playoffs it is a huge deal.

As I said upthread, you want to bet whether the Sixers offensive improves or gets worse with Harden on the court? Are the Sixers with James Harden and Paul Milsap better than the Sixers with Simmons(even if he was playing), Curry and Drummond?

Had the Sixers got the Nets to take Korkmaz or Green or someone else, Seth Curry would have been moved to the bench. Because Maxey is already a more valuable player to the team than Seth Curry.

 

[tlance]

You heard him. He didn't stutter

And I am not wrong.

 

[flyerhawk]

You heard him. He didn't stutter

2 days ago you were saying that the Sixers had to include Maxey for this to be a reasonable trade. Now it's a massive loss for the Sixers because the gave up Seth Curry?

I get that trades like this inevitably lead to a lot of hot takes but I wasn't expecting it from Tlance. I was DEFINITELY expecting it from you though.

 

[tlance]

I get that I may seem like I'm dismissing Curry which isn't really what I was trying to do. He has value. He's a quality player. But he's a role player.

I think fans have a tendency to view players based solely on their numbers and that can be misleading. Curry is a huge defensive liability and he will ALWAYS be a huge defensive liability because he's small and non athletic. In the regular season that isn't a big deal. But in the playoffs it is a huge deal.

As I said upthread, you want to bet whether the Sixers offensive improves or gets worse with Harden on the court? Are the Sixers with James Harden and Paul Milsap better than the Sixers with Simmons(even if he was playing), Curry and Drummond?

Had the Sixers got the Nets to take Korkmaz or Green or someone else, Seth Curry would have been moved to the bench. Because Maxey is already a more valuable player to the team than Seth Curry.

Sixers will be better than they were because they add Harden, and subtract 2 role players + a disgruntled star who wasn’t playing.

No doubt.

BUT.

Harden is not easy to play with. I don’t like the fit with Embiid, let alone Maxey. And you just made Brooklyn A LOT better.

 

[Iggloo]

Woj and Shams got scooped y’all!

This hard working independent contractor has the story first.

 

[trojanfan12]

Nope.

Because I said all along I expect him to play when he is traded. Never said otherwise.

And Harden’s value is not close to what it was a year and a half ago. Sorry.

He has not played well this year.

Yes, Philly had to add a lot. Curry and Drummond both fill direct needs for Brooklyn. Good luck beating them!

Even if the Nets don't get healthy...I don't see the Sixers getting past the Heat or Bucks.