Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[Shanemansj13]

I think you are putting a lot of faith in a blind quote from Woj that KD wants Harden there. Doesn't seem like Harden wants to be there.

If the Sixers trade Simmons to the Hawks or Kings or some other team, the Nets could find their return for Harden to be much worse in the summer. FTR he's getting paid 200 million on a 4 year extension. If they want to keep him, that's one thing. But if they want to move him then a sign and trade becomes problematic because it almost certainly hard caps the team that acquires Harden. And if they extend and trade him, then the trade team needs to come up with 45 million salary.

Like I said, I question whether bringing Harden in is the right move. But I think some of you are completely ignoring the reality the Nets are facing in the off season.

Of course he could leave in the offseason but he won’t be dealt now. A big difference. I also think this is totally overblown. Harden is not playing well right now, the Nets have lost 8 in a row, KD is out…when KD comes back and Kyrie possibly plays in every game in the playoffs then they are a threat in the East. I’m sure Harden is unhappy but bc he isn’t playing well and they are losing. I also think Kyrie plays big part in these issues.

The last thing Philly should be worried about is Harden imo. Any Simmons trade makes BKN better and no guarantee Harden goes back to the player he was in Houston on that philly squad. Philly would be smart to move on from Harden and pursue other options whether it is now or in the offseason.

 

[flyerhawk]

Of course he could leave in the offseason but he won’t be dealt now. A big difference. I also think this is totally overblown. Harden is not playing well right now, the Nets have lost 8 in a row, KD is out…when KD comes back and Kyrie possibly plays in every game in the playoffs then they are a threat in the East. I’m sure Harden is unhappy but bc he isn’t playing well and they are losing. I also think Kyrie plays big part in these issues.

The last thing Philly should be worried about is Harden imo. Any Simmons trade makes BKN better and no guarantee Harden goes back to the player he was in Houston on that philly squad. Philly would be smart to move on from Harden and pursue other options whether it is now or in the offseason.

As I said, I'm not really sold on Harden being the answer.

I just disagree with the claims that the Sixers have to give up a ton more than Simmons and salary to get Harden.

You guys are kinda arguing both sides. The Sixers should give up a lot to get Harden but Simmons for Harden improves the Nets. Both of those statements can't be right.

 

[flyerhawk]

Sources: Nets rebuffed 76ers' interest in Harden

In the one single exchange between 76ers president Daryl Morey and Nets GM Sean Marks four weeks ago, the Sixers asked about James Harden and were flatly rebuffed, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

I'm really curious as to what the truth is here. It's possible that the Nets have no interest in trading Harden. It's also possible that they want to trade Harden and are just trying to see if they can get the Sixers to act like the Knicks with Carmelo and get them to overpay for someone that was coming to to the team eventually.

If the Sixers aren't able to move Simmons I really hope they have a contingency plan in place to help bolster the team.

 

[mannyz]

Simmons is never getting traded then

Oh well, he made his bed.

 

[Iggloo]

Kyrie gave an on the record quote that was lukewarm at best on Harden, also. Asked about him, he said he seemed like he was committed to Brooklyn, but then added, "but who knows what's going to happen." Seems to me someone is going to get shipped out there, either now or after this season, and Harden is most likely. He can opt out after this season right?

 

[trojanfan12]

You guys are kinda arguing both sides. The Sixers should give up a lot to get Harden but Simmons for Harden improves the Nets. Both of those statements can't be right.

Not exactly. It doesn't matter what the trade is. Even if they could trade straight up for each other, the trade improves the Nets more than the Sixers. I think it would be a mistake for the Sixers to trade for Harden.

 

[bksballer89]

Oh well, he made his bed.

He sleeping just fine

 

[DJ Fieri]

No chance Philly gets Harden for just Simmons.

 

[flyerhawk]

Not exactly. It doesn't matter what the trade is. Even if they could trade straight up for each other, the trade improves the Nets more than the Sixers. I think it would be a mistake for the Sixers to trade for Harden.

You may be right.

IMO, there is almost no question that Ben Simmons will be more valuable as a player than Harden in 3 seasons. And Harden will be getting paid north of 50 million in 3 seasons while Ben will be in the low 30s.

So it's all about right now. There is no question that Harden would dramatically improve the Sixers THIS season. That kinda goes without saying. And you could argue that adding Harden to the current team and losing only Danny Green in return would make them the presumptive Eastern conference favorite assuming Embiid stays healthy.

So I get making a move for Harden even if it ultimately will bite the Sixers in a couple of years.

Personally I would rather see them make a move for some other player. I still would love a Kings trade involving Halliburton and whatever. If that means Halliburton, Bagley and Barnes, I'm for it.

But Morey is going to do what he's going to do. I really have no idea what he's thinking.

 

[trojanfan12]

You may be right.

IMO, there is almost no question that Ben Simmons will be more valuable as a player than Harden in 3 seasons. And Harden will be getting paid north of 50 million in 3 seasons while Ben will be in the low 30s.

So it's all about right now. There is no question that Harden would dramatically improve the Sixers THIS season. That kinda goes without saying. And you could argue that adding Harden to the current team and losing only Danny Green in return would make them the presumptive Eastern conference favorite assuming Embiid stays healthy.

So I get making a move for Harden even if it ultimately will bite the Sixers in a couple of years.

Personally I would rather see them make a move for some other player. I still would love a Kings trade involving Halliburton and whatever. If that means Halliburton, Bagley and Barnes, I'm for it.

But Morey is going to do what he's going to do. I really have no idea what he's thinking.

That's just it though, I think the trade would make the Nets better right now too. If Simmons has been working out at all, it shouldn't take too long for him to be in game shape. Just the addition of his elite level defense while removing Hardens lack of defense would improve them a lot.

 

[flyerhawk]

That's just it though, I think the trade would make the Nets better right now too. If Simmons has been working out at all, it shouldn't take too long for him to be in game shape. Just the addition of his elite level defense while removing Hardens lack of defense would improve them a lot.

It's certainly a risk. Which is why I would prefer a different deal, along with having my own issues with Harden the player.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Kyrie gave an on the record quote that was lukewarm at best on Harden, also. Asked about him, he said he seemed like he was committed to Brooklyn, but then added, "but who knows what's going to happen." Seems to me someone is going to get shipped out there, either now or after this season, and Harden is most likely. He can opt out after this season right?

tbf Kyrie is lukewarm 24/7

 

[The Q]

It's certainly a risk. Which is why I would prefer a different deal, along with having my own issues with Harden the player.

And that’s fair

The levert and Powell packages show fit and contract do matter.

We also haven’t even addressed that maybe it’s like the Powell deal and perhaps it’s Simmons and springer as the package back?

I still think Danny green is a small price to pay to close this out

 

[Shanemansj13]

As I said, I'm not really sold on Harden being the answer.

I just disagree with the claims that the Sixers have to give up a ton more than Simmons and salary to get Harden.

You guys are kinda arguing both sides. The Sixers should give up a lot to get Harden but Simmons for Harden improves the Nets. Both of those statements can't be right.

I don't think my proposed trade is A TON. I think Simmons is also being overvalued, if they want to wait...wait, but there is more risk in waiting but also probably a bigger market in the summer. At this point, who is willing to put up with Simmons AND meet Morey's demands. Nobody.

If you think Harden + Brown for Simmons, Curry, filler + and 1 or 2 picks. I don't think you are valuing Simmons correctly Morey is obviously trying to squeeze everything out of this he can and he has time but at some point he will have to take at least a little less than his outrageous demands.

Plus it is fair to argue both sides, just bc Simmons makes the Nets better doesn't mean Harden's value isn't higher than Simmons. Both players have issues but Harden has proved himself, Simmons hasn't. Great defensive player but he has fallen below expectations. Team issues also lowers a players' value. The only thing lowering Harden's price is long-term situation and if Harden really wants to play with Embiid it shouldn't be too difficult to extend Harden which would be part of the trade discussions.

But like I said all along, it would be wise for Philly to steer clear of Harden. I think there are better options out there as far as team chemistry and even fit.

 

[flyerhawk]

And that’s fair

The levert and Powell packages show fit and contract do matter.

We also haven’t even addressed that maybe it’s like the Powell deal and perhaps it’s Simmons and springer as the package back?

I still think Danny green is a small price to pay to close this out

There are so many factors involved when it comes to these deals.

Everyone immediately thought that the Levert deal was a huge win for the Cavs. But my experience is that whenever you see a deal as being completely one side, there is probably more to it than you realize.

 

[The Q]

There are so many factors involved when it comes to these deals.

Everyone immediately thought that the Levert deal was a huge win for the Cavs. But my experience is that whenever you see a deal as being completely one side, there is probably more to it than you realize.

I think the pacers did really well In this deal Even if this draft isn’t the strongest

They’re in good position to have 3 top 35 picks and can easily move up into round 1 if needed

 

[flyerhawk]

I don't think my proposed trade is A TON. I think Simmons is also being overvalued, if they want to wait...wait, but there is more risk in waiting but also probably a bigger market in the summer. At this point, who is willing to put up with Simmons AND meet Morey's demands. Nobody.

If you think Harden + Brown for Simmons, Curry, filler + and 1 or 2 picks. I don't think you are valuing Simmons correctly Morey is obviously trying to squeeze everything out of this he can and he has time but at some point he will have to take at least a little less than his outrageous demands.

Plus it is fair to argue both sides, just bc Simmons makes the Nets better doesn't mean Harden's value isn't higher than Simmons. Both players have issues but Harden has proved himself, Simmons hasn't. Great defensive player but he has fallen below expectations. Team issues also lowers a players' value. The only thing lowering Harden's price is long-term situation and if Harden really wants to play with Embiid it shouldn't be too difficult to extend Harden which would be part of the trade discussions.

But like I said all along, it would be wise for Philly to steer clear of Harden. I think there are better options out there as far as team chemistry and even fit.

A player's value is based on 2 things. How much a team values that player and how much other teams that want that player value the player. And on court contribution is only part of that equation. Age and contract situation also matter.

I read a lot of stuff about possible Harden trades but we really have no idea what teams are even interested in going after Harden.

Leaving aside that he's already given a list of teams that he is willing to play for, the truth is that he's 32 years old and will be getting a huge contract that will almost CERTAINLY be a huge albatross by the end of the contract. Paying Harden 53 million in the 2025-2026 sounds painful. So how many teams are REALLY interested in doing that? And how many want to give up a ton of assets in order to do that?

Would the Cavs, for instance, be willing to give up some of their top young assets to get Harden? Maybe. But I would suspect not.

 

[The Q]

A player's value is based on 2 things. How much a team values that player and how much other teams that want that player value the player. And on court contribution is only part of that equation. Age and contract situation also matter.

I read a lot of stuff about possible Harden trades but we really have no idea what teams are even interested in going after Harden.

Leaving aside that he's already given a list of teams that he is willing to play for, the truth is that he's 32 years old and will be getting a huge contract that will almost CERTAINLY be a huge albatross by the end of the contract. Paying Harden 53 million in the 2025-2026 sounds painful. So how many teams are REALLY interested in doing that? And how many want to give up a ton of assets in order to do that?

Would the Cavs, for instance, be willing to give up some of their top young assets to get Harden? Maybe. But I would suspect not.

But harden for Simmons and a contract is going to be there this summer if it implodes in brook.

Then it could be a fair return

 

[flyerhawk]

I think the pacers did really well In this deal Even if this draft isn’t the strongest

They’re in good position to have 3 top 35 picks and can easily move up into round 1 if needed

Honestly, it's always hard to know how good a draft really is before hand.

Getting draft capital for guys like Levert makes a ton of sense.

 

[flyerhawk]

But harden for Simmons and a contract is going to be there this summer if it implodes in brook.

Then it could be a fair return

Unless the Sixers trade Simmons this week to a different team. IMO, I think both teams are in a staring contest right now waiting to see who blinks.