Be it Haskins, Tua, Burrows, or anyone else, it won't work!

[Stymietee]

Let's get to it and finally address the question that this thread title asks...WHY?

As difficult as the answer to the question is, we must at some point, admit to what's true about these players and also true about the organization that drafts them.

Looking at what made these players high draft eligible above and beyond their own talents, has been the top level talents that played with them. A sound, structured, and professionally run organization fielding them, and men who not only led them but also, took care to love, cajole, scold, or at times, embarrass them into becoming the very best that they could be at that level.

So, why won't it work? Well, simply put, none of that has been or will be true as they come in, and eventually, are let go or traded because there's perception of failure. Fair or unfair to them, this perception of failure is spawned by not having top flight players around them, a shady, incoherent, organization that fields them and "leaders" more interested in maintaining that status quo, in exchange for the job that they aren't fully developed as leaders to have.

To be fair to those who insist upon using Kirk Cousins as one who they could have built something around I say this, Cousins wasn't what they were looking for and that is a savior. He wasn't built for that and it's totally unfair to Kirk, current, or future QB's, to have to come here and save this organization from itself. Not one of them were responsible for putting together the highly talented group of men that helped them to become coveted players. Not one was/is responsible for the state of the organization and not one of them hires or fires their head coach and staff. Unfortunately they, like Kirk, will be deemed either inadequate or complete busts because they will also have to work outside of what made them effective coming in.

 

[skinsdad62]

There is no reason for it not to work but it depends on who the HC is and if brucifer is here

 

[eaglesnut]

Let's get to it and finally address the question that this thread title asks...WHY?

As difficult as the answer to the question is, we must at some point, admit to what's true about these players and also true about the organization that drafts them.

Looking at what made these players high draft eligible above and beyond their own talents, has been the top level talents that played with them. A sound, structured, and professionally run organization fielding them, and men who not only led them but also, took care to love, cajole, scold, or at times, embarrass them into becoming the very best that they could be at that level.

So, why won't it work? Well, simply put, none of that has been or will be true as they come in, and eventually, are let go or traded because there's perception of failure. Fair or unfair to them, this perception of failure is spawned by not having top flight players around them, a shady, incoherent, organization that fields them and "leaders" more interested in maintaining that status quo, in exchange for the job that they aren't fully developed as leaders to have.

To be fair to those who insist upon using Kirk Cousins as one who they could have built something around I say this, Cousins wasn't what they were looking for and that is a savior. He wasn't built for that and it's totally unfair to Kirk, current, or future QB's, to have to come here and save this organization from itself. Not one of them were responsible for putting together the highly talented group of men that helped them to become coveted players. Not one was/is responsible for the state of the organization and not one of them hires or fires their head coach and staff. Unfortunately they, like Kirk, will be deemed either inadequate or complete busts because they will also have to work outside of what made them effective coming in.

The front office undermines the coaching staff because the front office is desperate to look good. Absolutely desperate, after looking like fools for 20 years.

I don't really mind the redskins sucking, but it is also sad. The division deserves better.

You are right that no one can succeed when they are put in a situation so destined to fail.

Need some cohesion between the front office and the coaching staff and that cohesion can't just be a head coach being a yes man. The front office is unwilling to give enough power to the right coach and the right coach is unwilling to be a part of such dysfunction.

 

[skinsdad62]

if allen goes does it change ?

 

[gkekoa]

I totally understand what you are saying; however, I do disagree with the Possible end result. I agree it isn't about the players. The players can’t succeed here with the current set up.

If we get a coach to come in and they are successful early. If they can increase “the buzz” around this team, then the players can become successful. If we had a coach capable of this, then it would undermine the power of Bruce Allen. As for Snyder, success breeds freedom and power.

 

[j_y19]

I totally understand what you are saying; however, I do disagree with the Possible end result. I agree it isn't about the players. The players can’t succeed here with the current set up.

If we get a coach to come in and they are successful early. If they can increase “the buzz” around this team, then the players can become successful. If we had a coach capable of this, then it would undermine the power of Bruce Allen. As for Snyder, success breeds freedom and power.

But the catch is that we can’t get that coach here. Snyder and his henchman of the day ensure of that. With the exception of Gibbs, no HC here has had the unfettered freedom to implement his scheme, with his players. This is why, as Sty pointed out, it doesn’t make any difference. Because the system is broken. And it’s not Allen. He is just the latest iteration. He is a symptom, but not the problem. He leaves and Snyder just replaces him with like kind.

 

[gkekoa]

But the catch is that we can’t get that coach here. Snyder and his henchman of the day ensure of that. With the exception of Gibbs, no HC here has had the unfettered freedom to implement his scheme, with his players. This is why, as Sty pointed out, it doesn’t make any difference. Because the system is broken. And it’s not Allen. He is just the latest iteration. He is a symptom, but not the problem. He leaves and Snyder just replaces him with like kind.

With success comes freedom. We have talent on his team, but it isn’t simply scheme that release the talent.

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[j_y19]

Probably looking to him as our new head coach.

 

[Sknzrule]

Probably will be our VP of player development/social justice.

 

[skinzfan]

the Redskins lost a decade when they drafted RG3, thinking he was Lamar Jackson.

 

[Stymietee]

the Redskins lost a decade when they drafted RG3, thinking he was Lamar Jackson.

They lost two decades and counting when they hired Bruce Allen, thinking he was a general manager.

 

[reptec101]

To be fair to those who insist upon using Kirk Cousins as one who they could have built something around I say this, Cousins wasn't what they were looking for and that is a savior.

The scary part to this is he is a 4000 yrd passer and 40 TD QB since becoming starter 5 years ago in NFL. Not certain who they're waiting for... Actually, neither do they.

 

[tlance]

Let's get to it and finally address the question that this thread title asks...WHY?

As difficult as the answer to the question is, we must at some point, admit to what's true about these players and also true about the organization that drafts them.

Looking at what made these players high draft eligible above and beyond their own talents, has been the top level talents that played with them. A sound, structured, and professionally run organization fielding them, and men who not only led them but also, took care to love, cajole, scold, or at times, embarrass them into becoming the very best that they could be at that level.

So, why won't it work? Well, simply put, none of that has been or will be true as they come in, and eventually, are let go or traded because there's perception of failure. Fair or unfair to them, this perception of failure is spawned by not having top flight players around them, a shady, incoherent, organization that fields them and "leaders" more interested in maintaining that status quo, in exchange for the job that they aren't fully developed as leaders to have.

To be fair to those who insist upon using Kirk Cousins as one who they could have built something around I say this, Cousins wasn't what they were looking for and that is a savior. He wasn't built for that and it's totally unfair to Kirk, current, or future QB's, to have to come here and save this organization from itself. Not one of them were responsible for putting together the highly talented group of men that helped them to become coveted players. Not one was/is responsible for the state of the organization and not one of them hires or fires their head coach and staff. Unfortunately they, like Kirk, will be deemed either inadequate or complete busts because they will also have to work outside of what made them effective coming in.

Yeah.

There are like 3-5 QB saviors in the league at any moment.

Cousins was/is an above average franchise QB. He is a good player. Good enough to win with good supporting talent and a good scheme. Not good enough to carry mediocre talent with poor scheme.

 

[Stymietee]

The scary part to this is he is a 4000 yrd passer and 40 TD QB since becoming starter 5 years ago in NFL. Not certain who they're waiting for... Actually, neither do they.

Kirk's problem and to be fair not of his making was that he played for an organization that had no professional concepts with respect to team building. Could he have performed here as he is doing now with a better team around him?, absolutely! That is not what the perception of Kirk was, especially in big games or games against teams with winning records. Was that unfair to Kirk?, again, Yep!

So, let's talk about why that came to be, and we begin with the overestimation of the talents around him. Clearly we were weaker on the defensive side of the ball than desired, his targets were either injured or not up to par by NFL standards, the offensive line had trouble run blocking and rarely had consecutive moments in which the pocket remained intact. Two years running Chris Thompson became the best running back available and for the last 3 years the most valuable player on the team has arguably been Tress Way.

Let's not pretend to not know what they were and are looking for at QB because it's abundantly clear that the guy that they want is Brady like and Kirk certainly wasn't, isn't, and in his best dream could never be that. His game is more complimentary in that the talent around him makes him better. Unlike that top tier QB's he doesn't take good receivers and make them look better than they are, his offensive line seem better than they are because his quick distribution renders pressures and sacks almost non existent. He alone doesn't make the running backs more productive because there's concern about getting burned by the numerous fakes and check-downs to the same and finally he doesn't make the defensive side of the ball appear better because they are spending more time on the sidelines.

Again, is any of this Kirk's fault? Nope! Was it fair to blame him for a lot of the mess that that was? Well, that depends upon what one thought of the talent around him and what people thought him to be.