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[skinsdad62]

Trade for Carson Wentz?

Joking! Joking! Put down the machine guns.

Hey I had an RPG

 

[skinsdad62]

If Smith is 90% you start him but if he shows signs of not playing well then Heinicke goes in.

Can he protect himself at 90% . Can he throw at 90% ? Those are what I would have to see before I play him .

 

[chillerdab]

I wouldnt give up a fourth BFF or wentz with that ridiculous contract.

If Wentz would redo his contract to something more team friendly, then maybe.

Nobody’s gonna pay wentz what he is currently guaranteed from the eagles other than the eagles.

 

[gkekoa]

I wouldnt give up a fourth BFF or wentz with that ridiculous contract.

If Wentz would redo his contract to something more team friendly, then maybe.

Nobody’s gonna pay wentz what he is currently guaranteed from the eagles other than the eagles.

His salaries are:

2021- 15.4 mil + 10 mil guaranteed roster bonus
2022- 22 mil guaranteed
2023- 20 mil
2024- 22 mil


Only the figures in 21 and 22 would be guaranteed by us. That being said, the Eagles probably wouldn’t go for it.

Really good article...

Let's all get on the same page regarding the Eagles' options with Carson Wentz

Carson Wentz rumors have begun to swirl locally and nationally, so we may as well get on the same page in regard to the nuts and bolts of his contract, and the options that the Eagles will have with him during the 2021 offseason.

www.phillyvoice.com

 

[Stymietee]

In one of my earlier visits to this board, I attempted to start the conversation about the real likelihood that Alex Smith retires.

What, still too early?

Nope! In fact I believe, that the decision has already been made by he and the wife and we're seeing it in real time as Alex has reported "not feeling it" in the last couple of weeks.

But Sty, there's a bunch of money still left on the table next year for the guy...
Yeah, he's already amassed a shit ton of cash over the years and if he really wanted to get the rest all he has to do is report next year without taking a snap to collect.

Right now, even if he attempts to play on Sunday night, I believe that he's in retirement mode.

 

[MHSL82]

In one of my earlier visits to this board, I attempted to start the conversation about the real likelihood that Alex Smith retires.

What, still too early?

Nope! In fact I believe, that the decision has already been made by he and the wife and we're seeing it in real time as Alex has reported "not feeling it" in the last couple of weeks.

But Sty, there's a bunch of money still left on the table next year for the guy...
Yeah, he's already amassed a shit ton of cash over the years and if he really wanted to get the rest all he has to do is report next year without taking a snap to collect.

Right now, even if he attempts to play on Sunday night, I believe that he's in retirement mode.

Not feeling the leg? The foot? The need to play? Source?

 

[Stymietee]

Not feeling the leg? The foot? The need to play? Source?

The source was Ron Rivera who said that the next day after working out, he asked Smith how he was feeling. Smith then reportedly told him that he "wasn't feeling it" the "it" was an ability to push off on that leg. I'll try to find the article.

 

[MHSL82]

The source was Ron Rivera who said that the next day after working out, he asked Smith how he was feeling. Smith then reportedly told him that he "wasn't feeling it" the "it" was an ability to push off on that leg. I'll try to find the article.

OK, just making sure you weren’t saying the desire to play, because I doubt he’d ever say that in season if he felt it. But the ability to push off? Sure. Maybe just not feeling the sufficient ability.

 

[Stymietee]

OK, just making sure you weren’t saying the desire to play, because I doubt he’d ever say that in season if he felt it. But the ability to push off? Sure. Maybe just not feeling the sufficient ability.

If nothing else, Smith has learned how the business game is played, NFL edition. He would never give a clue about his future plans, but I'm 99.99% sure that he and the wife had already discussed retirement. What I don't know for sure but convinced that it's true is...they've already decided that this year or once he's qualified himself to get full pay next year, he'll make it official. Like I said, he's likely already in retirement mode now but like the pro that he is, will wait until the season ends before announcing it.

 

[skinsdad62]

If nothing else, Smith has learned how the business game is played, NFL edition. He would never give a clue about his future plans, but I'm 99.99% sure that he and the wife had already discussed retirement. What I don't know for sure but convinced that it's true is...they've already decided that this year or once he's qualified himself to get full pay next year, he'll make it official. Like I said, he's likely already in retirement mode now but like the pro that he is, will wait until the season ends before announcing it.

the thing is retiring or not the cap hit is the same . which leaves us where ? kyle allen, heine drafted rookie /montez as it stands now

 

[MHSL82]

For what it’s worth:

 

[Stymietee]

the thing is retiring or not the cap hit is the same . which leaves us where ? kyle allen, heine drafted rookie /montez as it stands now

Thing is you have to pay your players and not just the QB.
Kirk, for example is a serviceable player but paying him market value restricts you from acquiring or maintaining talent in other places. You can definitely win with guys like him short term, but eventually, you're going to have to make a decision between paying your game manager types "elite" money and losing real talent elsewhere.

Let's face it the NFL sucks when the question is salary structure. The current one size fits all market value is definitely the root cause against building a long lasting winning program.

There was a time that organizations were able to keep talent and go on long winning runs, but with free agency and salary caps, such as it is you cannot do that anymore. In effect you render guys like Kirk Cousins to be both desirable and the problem. It basically comes down to this. "Hey game manager, we're paying you elite money and are unable to keep other needed players, so go be something that you're not...elite."

 

[skinsdad62]

Thing is you have to pay your players and not just the QB.
Kirk, for example is a serviceable player but paying him market value restricts you from acquiring or maintaining talent in other places. You can definitely win with guys like him short term, but eventually, you're going to have to make a decision between paying your game manager types "elite" money and losing real talent elsewhere.

Let's face it the NFL sucks when the question is salary structure. The current one size fits all market value is definitely the root cause against building a long lasting winning program.

There was a time that organizations were able to keep talent and go on long winning runs, but with free agency and salary caps, such as it is you cannot do that anymore. In effect you render guys like Kirk Cousins to be both desirable and the problem. It basically comes down to this. "Hey game manager, we're paying you elite money and are unable to keep other needed players, so go be something that you're not...elite."e

The things is we could have signed him for 15 mil at the beginning

 

[skinsdad62]

Been doing Corona all year ,time for a Heine !

 

[Stymietee]

The things is we could have signed him for 15 mil at the beginning

I can't remember what the cap number was at the time, but if it exceeded 15 million, then there was no way to sign him at the lower amount. Dak Prescott is doing the same thing now and this is just a guess, but from that moment on any team not meeting or exceeding the cap number in negotiations aren't going to sign their free agents. Once again, the one size fits all structure is the issue and what we constantly hear is stuff like, "perhaps we can get this guy or that one for cheap." The lesson coming out of the whole Cousins ordeal is a choice between the larger cap number and the smaller offered number.

 

[tomcat1]

For what it’s worth:

Yep, Alex is worth 1 point to us in the betting line over any other QB who has started for us this season and the current line is indeed Washington -2.

 

[MHSL82]