ANYBODY WANT TO DEFEND BEVELL NOW????

[flyerhawk]

Your right. It was an excellent play call. The best that could have been called in that situation.

This is a common tactic from you. You make a hyperbolic and extreme claim("This was the worst call in the history of football") and then when someone says "No it was not" you respond with "You're right. It was the greatest call ever made in the history of sports" which absolutely no one even approached saying. This is just a form of reductio ad absurdum in which you try and use an absurd claim to justify your claim.

The call was neither the worst or the best play call. It was a completely reasonable and legitimate play as several other calls would have been. The fact that you think only one play was acceptable, a play call in which we would do EXACTLY what the expected us to do, speaks to your lack of understanding of the game.

You, Bevell, and Carroll are fucking geniuses. Its a call that every coach should use in the same exact instant. Just ignore the fact that you have the best power back in the league going up against a defense that was totally gasses and on their heels. That's irrelevant because we all know that he was only 1-5 in those types of plays due to totally different circumstances.

Its truly a miracle the play didn't work.

You are picking and choosing the facts that suit your case. I'm sure in your mind that running a 22 formation and running it up the gut was the only viable option but that is why you are a professional football play caller.

 

[MKHawk]

Are we really surprised that Russell Wilson wasn't tight on a slant pass throw? He's shown some struggles with that pass throughout his career. That's a large part of my problem with the play. Why go away from what you do well when you've spent 3 years being who you are and daring teams to stop you?

 

[BoBlake]

This is a common tactic from you. You make a hyperbolic and extreme claim("This was the worst call in the history of football") and then when someone says "No it was not" you respond with "You're right. It was the greatest call ever made in the history of sports" which absolutely no one even approached saying. This is just a form of reductio ad absurdum in which you try and use an absurd claim to justify your claim.

The call was neither the worst or the best play call. It was a completely reasonable and legitimate play as several other calls would have been. The fact that you think only one play was acceptable, a play call in which we would do EXACTLY what the expected us to do, speaks to your lack of understanding of the game.




You are picking and choosing the facts that suit your case. I'm sure in your mind that running a 22 formation and running it up the gut was the only viable option but that is why you are a professional football play caller.

Two words. "Moron Meme".

 

[WizardHawk]

Any of the football players I mentioned change their minds yet?

Did any of them review the situation and still make those claims after?

Because all of your quotes were from emotional responses at the time. Something EVERYONE had. No one that was watching that live thought anything other than why were they passing there? No one.

Smart people look at what choices the staff that made that call were facing and then decide for themselves what they would have done in their shoes. Really smart people have and do not agree with you at all.

If you want to quote someone who has broken down the options and still agrees with you then you have something. Until then your tired tweets from right after it that aren't based on anything but emotions just aren't going to help you.


Over 500 posts to this thread and all we have learned is Bevell and Carroll haters are still hating at all costs and rational people are wasting their time trying to reason with them.

 

[BoBlake]

Over 500 posts to this thread and all we have learned is Bevell and Carroll haters are still hating at all costs and rational people are wasting their time trying to reason with them.

"Moron Meme"

https://www.google.com/search?q=mor...N4WmNof1g-AJ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1469&bih=726

 

[gohusk]

It wasn't a high risk throw. One more time. This is pre-snap...

There is NO ONE in the middle of the field. And Lockette has inside leverage on his defender. Even with Browner rubbing out Kearse, the worst that should have happened was an incomplete. If Wilson throws it a little more inside the receiver or if the receiver puts his hands in front of his body it is probably a TD. But that didn't happen. If Lockette gets a hand on the ball it is an incomplete. It wasn't a high risk play given the defensive formation.

Some of you are confusing result with risk. And some of the plays you are proposing had far higher risk.

Worst that should have happened? The worst that did happen is what happened, which is game over. I'm done arguing this though. Flippin roll Wilson out at least if you're going to throw. And notice the guy right next to the ref who's in the middle of the flippin endzone.

 

[flyerhawk]

And notice the guy right next to the ref who's in the middle of the flippin endzone.

Who then runs out to the right side to spy Lynch leaving the middle completely exposed.

 

[gohusk]

Who then runs out to the right side to spy Lynch leaving the middle completely exposed.

I'm really done arguing this. You know how I know it was high risk? Because reality proved it was high risk. You don't throw the ball over the middle in that situation out of the fucking shotgun because it gives defenders time to react. You don't throw that ball to a guy who's only in the lineup because the receiving corp is so thin. You don't risk the entire game on one play because you're feeling clever. Roll Wilson out there.

This is how Bevell works. He has no concept of how to adapt the play calling to the game situation. He'll call the same plays no matter how much time is left. And this isn't some blind hate thing. It's calling out stupidity. People have been saying he's awful for a while and he literally cost us a chance to win the Super Bowl. Wilson and Lynch are the guys who make this offense work, not Bevell. He's the guy holding them back.

 

[flyerhawk]

I'm really done arguing this. You know how I know it was high risk? Because reality proved it was high risk.

So any play that turns out badly is by definition high risk? If Marshawn runs it and fumbles the ball, as he did in the NFCC game last year, does that mean that running the ball is high risk?

You don't throw the ball over the middle in that situation out of the fucking shotgun because it gives defenders time to react. You don't throw that ball to a guy who's only in the lineup because the receiving corp is so thin. You don't risk the entire game on one play because you're feeling clever. Roll Wilson out there.

I'm not going to arguing what the "right" play because there is no one right play.

This is how Bevell works. He has no concept of how to adapt the play calling to the game situation. He'll call the same plays no matter how much time is left. And this isn't some blind hate thing. It's calling out stupidity. People have been saying he's awful for a while and he literally cost us a chance to win the Super Bowl. Wilson and Lynch are the guys who make this offense work, not Bevell. He's the guy holding them back.

Funny. I think that Jermane Kearse, Ricardo Lockette, and Russell Willson were the ones that cost us the Super Bowl since they were the ones who executed the play. But of course the coaches are always the easy target.

Team has been to 2 straight Super Bowls and yet the coaches are still a problem. It really is amazing to me. You guys must just be spoiled because of our legacy of success prior to this regime.

 

[tzorn10]

The call was neither the worst or the best play call. It was a completely reasonable and legitimate play as several other calls would have been. The fact that you think only one play was acceptable, a play call in which we would do EXACTLY what the expected us to do, speaks to your lack of understanding of the game.

Question to you, what play could have been worse? Can you come up with one?


If the Seahawks decided to run the play that everybody EXACTLY expected us to do, I have no doubt in my mind that the Seahawks would be hoisting their 2nd Lombardi trophy instead of us scratching our heads as to why they ran such a stupid play.

You guys can drink the Carroll Kool-Aid as long as you want, but it all reminds me of Charles Barkley's comments last night about the Rockets GM Daryl Morey - "one of those idiots who believes in analytics."

This is a case where sheer common sense would have prevailed.

You are picking and choosing the facts that suit your case. I'm sure in your mind that running a 22 formation and running it up the gut was the only viable option but that is why you are a professional football play caller.

Not here saying its the only option (the one I would choose for sure), but any other option would have been damn sure better then the one that was chosen.

 

[BoBlake]

Funny. I think that Jermane Kearse, Ricardo Lockette, and Russell Willson were the ones that cost us the Super Bowl since they were the ones who executed the play. But of course the coaches are always the easy target.

Team has been to 2 straight Super Bowls and yet the coaches are still a problem. It really is amazing to me. You guys must just be spoiled because of our legacy of success prior to this regime.

I still think it was simply excellent play by both Browner and Butler. As fans of the #1 defense in football you'd think more people here would be able to recognize an excellent defensive effort for what it was.

Seattle's offense or coaching staff didn't give the win away, Butler TOOK it from them.

 

[BoBlake]

Question to you, what play could have been worse? Can you come up with one?


If the Seahawks decided to run the play that everybody EXACTLY expected us to do, I have no doubt in my mind that the Seahawks would be hoisting their 2nd Lombardi trophy instead of us scratching our heads as to why they ran such a stupid play.

You guys can drink the Carroll Kool-Aid as long as you want, but it all reminds me of Charles Barkley's comments last night about the Rockets GM Daryl Morey - "one of those idiots who believes in analytics."

This is a case where sheer common sense would have prevailed.



Not here saying its the only option (the one I would choose for sure), but any other option would have been damn sure better then the one that was chosen.

 

[gohusk]

So any play that turns out badly is by definition high risk? If Marshawn runs it and fumbles the ball, as he did in the NFCC game last year, does that mean that running the ball is high risk?




I'm not going to arguing what the "right" play because there is no one right play.



Funny. I think that Jermane Kearse, Ricardo Lockette, and Russell Willson were the ones that cost us the Super Bowl since they were the ones who executed the play. But of course the coaches are always the easy target.

Team has been to 2 straight Super Bowls and yet the coaches are still a problem. It really is amazing to me. You guys must just be spoiled because of our legacy of success prior to this regime.

There is no "right" play, but there's certainly a wrong one, and that steaming pile of a call was it. They threw a slant out of the gun (more time for defenders to react) at the goal line. You don't do that with the best RB in the league and the most mobile RB in the league when you're within a fucking yard. There's no point calling that one because we all saw the downside. Fade, back of the end zone, roll wilson out, ... where Wilson has time to see the field and make the best choice. Why people defend the indefensible is boggling.

 

[flyerhawk]

There is no "right" play, but there's certainly a wrong one, and that steaming pile of a call was it. They threw a slant out of the gun (more time for defenders to react) at the goal line. You don't do that with the best RB in the league and the most mobile RB in the league when you're within a fucking yard. There's no point calling that one because we all saw the downside. Fade, back of the end zone, roll wilson out, ... where Wilson has time to see the field and make the best choice. Why people defend the indefensible is boggling.

I give up. You're right. The players are not at fault at all and our coaches suck and we should replace them.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Slant routes at the goal line against two on two man coverage with NO safety and NO LB help are "incredibly risky." Got it.

Stick to baseball because you don't no shiznit about football... a slant route in that situation is DANGEROUS for the exact reason we saw... DB's can jump the routes easier because they don't have to worry about receivers getting behind them... Your clueless about football obviously... There was other pass play options that are MUCH safer if your determined to pass...

 

[gohusk]

I give up. You're right. The players are not at fault at all and our coaches suck and we should replace them.

You got no answers dude. It's the players job to make plays. Sometimes they blow it. But it's the coaches job to assess the situation and manage risk. If a player's going to lose it then at least let them lose it on a decent play call. There was absolutely no reason to take a risk like that on 2nd down, especially with a timeout left.

 

[WizardHawk]

"Moron Meme"

https://www.google.com/search?q=mor...N4WmNof1g-AJ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1469&bih=726

They aren't morons, or at least this doesn't prove they are anyway. People have bias in lots of things in life and bend what they are willing to see around them to fit their preferred reality. Very much the case here. Some are good people who just can't get past the emotional side of it enough to see the bigger picture. They already hated either Carroll or Bevell before this, so there is nothing more to even discuss. It was their fault entirely and they should be fired. End of story.

The rest of us that would like to maintain this streak would very much not want to make changes that would surely lead to a drop off in production. I won't let my disappointment over how that game ended push me into a place where I'd cut off my nose to spite my face.

 

[flyerhawk]

Stick to baseball because you don't no shiznit about football... a slant route in that situation is DANGEROUS for the exact reason we saw... DB's can jump the routes easier because they don't have to worry about receivers getting behind them... Your clueless about football obviously... There was other pass play options that are MUCH safer if your determined to pass...

Have you ever actually played football? Do you understand the difference between man and zone coverage and what sort of routes each is better suited to defend?

In a man coverage situation a slant route with zero zone protection the slant route is NOT dangerous.

 

[flyerhawk]

You got no answers dude. It's the players job to make plays. Sometimes they blow it. But it's the coaches job to assess the situation and manage risk. If a player's going to lose it then at least let them lose it on a decent play call. There was absolutely no reason to take a risk like that on 2nd down, especially with a timeout left.

The moment you used the result to determine the risk, I realized this was a lost cause argument.

 

[gohusk]

The moment you used the result to determine the risk, I realized this was a lost cause argument.

Whatever dude. You got no answers. Throwing the ball over the middle has dangers. Throwing the ball over the middle when the line is stacked "tipped ball" out of the shotgun with the back of the goal line is risky by nature. And there's no point taking that risk with the most mobile qb in the league and the best power running game in the league on 2nd down.