Allow me to be positive for a minute...

[Wings]

The Chargers finished the season 4-12, so clearly something didn't go well for them. Under normal circumstances, a finish like that would result in a head coaching change, but the team was looking to pack up stakes and move to Los Angeles, and in an offseason where the owners' time would be monopolized by the need to negotiate with Carson, Inglewood, San Diego, the Rams, the Raiders, and the NFL Executive Committee, they simply weren't in a position to justify adding a head coaching search to their plate as well. As a result, Mike McCoy received a stay of execution, but was required to offer up Reich as a sacrificial lamb. Ownership doesn't need to put as much time into interviewing OC candidates; that's the HC's job. If the Chargers do not improve this year, and if the question of where they will end up playing is settled by the start of next offseason, McCoy will likely follow Reich out the door.

exactly! well said.

 

[Wings]

Both Foles and Vick did better under Kelly than they did under Pederson.

What the hell are you talking about??? What do Foles and Vick have to do with Pederson? Are you on drugs?

 

[WIZ]

The idea that Pederson would need to protect Reid makes little sense. Ans what else has Pederson done? Both Foles and Vick did better under Kelly than they did under Pederson. The KC offense is unremarkable and we all know that Reid ran most of it anyways. Its not a record that generally gets you a promotion.

On Reich, he was also fired by Indy in 2011 and Arizona in 2012. He is a 3 time loser in the last 5 years. Its not a record that generally gets you a promotion.

Do you really think there was nay competition for either one of these guys to be hired?

So we'll just dismiss Wings' numbers he gave you on Reich, KC's 2 out of 3 11 win seasons and 11 in a row to concentrate on one answer to a question and earlier firings so you can be right before you've seen any of it play out? K, I get it now.

 

[deerpathdave]

What the hell are you talking about??? What do Foles and Vick have to do with Pederson? Are you on drugs?

Pederson was their QBs coach.

 

[deerpathdave]

So we'll just dismiss Wings' numbers he gave you on Reich, KC's 2 out of 3 11 win seasons and 11 in a row to concentrate on one answer to a question and earlier firings so you can be right before you've seen any of it play out? K, I get it now.

Well at least we are having a cogent conversation on facts now.

And yes I do tend to dismiss Reich's credit for the stats in SD when he gets fired at the end of the season. Obviously the people much closer to this than we are didn't think he contributed much.

 

[Wings]

Pederson was their QBs coach.

ok, sooo what is your point? Nick Foles showed promise in 2012 and had his best season in 2013 one could say he owed it to Doug Pederson....Mike Vick had a few good years under Pedersons tutelage...again what is "YOUR POINT"

 

[deerpathdave]

So we'll just dismiss Wings' numbers he gave you on Reich, KC's 2 out of 3 11 win seasons and 11 in a row to concentrate on one answer to a question and earlier firings so you can be right before you've seen any of it play out? K, I get it now.

KC had a couple of good seasons, but (1) When your the OC under an offensive coach, its really tough to say what your contribution was (2) The KC offense was pretty unremarkable anyways.

And (3). That answer to that question wasn't just yawn. It was strategy malpractice. Yes...lets run out the clock when were down to two scores! We don't want to risk Brady touching the ball again! If this is the way the guy thinks, the Eagles are going to be at a severe tactical disadvantage in every game they play. Its not like he was much experience with managing a game. And this shows even in his limited experience he has been beyond incompetent.

 

[deerpathdave]

ok, sooo what is your point? Nick Foles showed promise in 2012 and had his best season in 2013 one could say he owed it to Doug Pederson....Mike Vick had a few good years under Pedersons tutelage...again what is "YOUR POINT"

Mike Vick was better both before and after Pederson was the QB coach.

 

[deerpathdave]

ok, sooo what is your point? Nick Foles showed promise in 2012 and had his best season in 2013 one could say he owed it to Doug Pederson...

Foles best season came under Kelly when he was running a system that was very different than what Pederson trained him for. I don't think you can give Pederson much if any credit for the 27-2 the following year.

 

[Wings]

Foles best season came under Kelly when he was running a system that was very different than what Pederson trained him for. I don't think you can give Pederson much if any credit for the 27-2 the following year.

So Pederson coaching him to be an NFL QB had nothing to do with his progress huh? Ya think Andy Reid had nothing to do with Foles or vicks progress??? Dude you really are clueless about football. You think Chip walks in, takes a kid from Arizona St and and a guy that ran a play ground offense in Atlanta and miraculously they can play, and it's all Chips doing? think again sunshine, Pederson and Reid were the reasons that Foles was as good as he was. As for vick, Pederson and Reid helped refine his game....Chip made him go back to being a playground Qb.

 

[Wings]

The Life and Career of Chiefs OC Doug Pederson 

 

[DutchBird]

What the hell are you talking about??? What do Foles and Vick have to do with Pederson? Are you on drugs?

He ignores - my guess - Vick's 2010 season (where Pederson almost certainly was involved with Vick, whether he was QB coach or not).

He also blatantly ignores that that first season of Chip not only Chip's system was new to the NFL (and Foles and Vick benefited massively from not having adjusted to Kelly's system yet), benefited from McCoy, Jackson and a very healthy O-line (best in the league), and Chip having his best season as a playcaller and schemer of the three seasons.

When looking at Foles by the end of that season, one saw the numbers dropping off big time...

 

[deerpathdave]

He ignores - my guess - Vick's 2010 season (where Pederson almost certainly was involved with Vick, whether he was QB coach or not).

Fair point. I do agree that his work in 2010 was probably what got him promoted to QB coach in 2011.

A the end of the day we have.

Pederson
- A career backup QB with a 62.3 rating
- His QB and OC career is working with Foles, Vick and Alex Smith on offense that at their best were just good...never great.
- Has a grand total by his account of calling plays in the second half of 11 games.
- Had one of the all time worst explanations at his opening presser for the strategy he employed in the biggest and latest game of his career.

Schwartz
- An accomplished DC with a record that got him promoted to be a head coach.
- Fired from his last two jobs in the the last two years and was out of coaching last year.

Reich
- Another career backup QB.
- Fired from three jobs in the last 5 years.

You guys can believe all you want, but the only one of these hires that looks all all good to me is Schwartz...and even Schwartz has some questions on his resume.

 

[WIZ]

The fan in people naturally takes over. It's so easy to take the it's gonna fail side. There's 31 others chasing the same elusive prize and we've never won it. You trying to explain to fans of a team how you know they're going to fail simply won't be accepted. You can very well be right but we'll take the slightly over 3% chance we have and be fans.
You have already stated your side. Take your medicine.

 

[deerpathdave]

The fan in people naturally takes over. It's so easy to take the it's gonna fail side. There's 31 others chasing the same elusive prize and we've never won it. You trying to explain to fans of a team how you know they're going to fail simply won't be accepted. You can very well be right but we'll take the slightly over 3% chance we have and be fans.
You have already stated your side. Take your medicine.

Best point yet. I am an idiot for trying to talk a fan into not being a fan. It's almost as bad as trying to tell people not to cling to their guns or religion.

 

[ctc]

Gotta say I am a little surprised at the shoot the messenger sort of responses I am getting here. Remember I am a 27 year Eagles fan that has posted on here or kffl for probably the last ten years. I think it was only a year ago that I was fielding questions somewhat seriously from people thinking I was Dave Spadaro.

So clearly, I am not some flamer just looking to rile up Eagles fans. I am simply speaking the cold hard truth as I see and I find it as difficult to stomach as the rest of you. So my condolences to all of you. I share your pain....and your desire to grasp on to misplaced optimistic thoughts. But sorry I can't do it. I know a pile of Horsesheep when I see it and can't pretend it is anything but.

You're seeking to find fault, to justify your feelings. So much so that you're making mountains out of mole hills.

To wit.
1) Andy's time, unfortunately was done. His record at the end speaks to it. Even Andy knew it. The same with Kelly. That Andy got a job is unsurprising. Kelly's record at the end was even poorer. Kelly got one interview, ONE, with a club that currently is among the most dysfunctional out there.
Lurie gave one, one go get'em speech and suddenly he's Jerry Jones. Please. That's just stupid and even worse, for Kelly and you, it worked.
2) The DC? He solld but a retread. Same could have been said of JJ when Andy picked him up. And you're wrong about being fired
3) What you or i or anyone else knows about Reich and his abilities wouldn't fill a thimble. You're certainly entitled to your views and it's based on nothing more than a feeling. Whether it's a feeling any different than when you need to take a dump we can only speculate.
5) Take an incident and declare a trend. Deep analysis indeed.
6) All year long you've been going on about what a great thing it would have been to win in such a crappy division. Suddenly winning in a crappy division is mediocrity. Suddenly mediocrity isn't so great? I wonder why (not really) That Kelly couldn't win in such a crappy division speaks volumes.

As to my feelings about Pederson and his staff i have none. I have no idea if he has what it takes. And neither does you or anyone else at this point. All we can do is wait and hope. Some of us optimistically, some rooting for failure. Right now i'm hoping for the best, as i did with kelly. Only time will tell.

 

[WIZ]

Best point yet. I am an idiot for trying to talk a fan into not being a fan. It's almost as bad as trying to tell people not to cling to their guns or religion.

No it's not even close. Religion and guns kill people and I couldn't care less what side you're on. This is football.

 

[Wings]

Best point yet. I am an idiot.

Now you get it!

 

[northeastphillyguy]

Its not the Eagles that I care about....I just get annoyed at idiocy in all its forms and to see so many people here...many of which have seemed smart and logical in the past...buying into this pile of horsepoop of a staff they are putting together is just galling. I feel compelled to point it out. Many of you are going to shell out big bucks for season tickets or spend hours watching these games, and I wouldn't feel right if I didn't point out the obvious. Most of you guys are smarter than this...its just sad.

It is worth buying a ticket just knowing that Kelly is gone. Also, I find it amusing that so many smart and logical
posters have become galling simply because they don't agree with you!

 

[Northern Eagle]

Gotta say I am a little surprised at the shoot the messenger sort of responses I am getting here. Remember I am a 27 year Eagles fan that has posted on here or kffl for probably the last ten years. I think it was only a year ago that I was fielding questions somewhat seriously from people thinking I was Dave Spadaro.

So clearly, I am not some flamer just looking to rile up Eagles fans. I am simply speaking the cold hard truth as I see and I find it as difficult to stomach as the rest of you. So my condolences to all of you. I share your pain....and your desire to grasp on to misplaced optimistic thoughts. But sorry I can't do it. I know a pile of Horsesheep when I see it and can't pretend it is anything but.

Why aren't you on the 49ers board yet? Maybe your stomach will settle better when you piss off from here and leave it to the real Eagle fans.