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Can Cousins win a SB with this team?
Ans: No based upon everything that I’ve read by everyone here, this team gets to and win a SB with improvements everywhere OTHER than at QB. This means, whether intended or not by these same posters that the team will have to improve ala Baltimore with Flacco. At the point of improving in other areas to a championship level, Kirk might be the QB, but he’ll not be the reason why they get there and/or win it.
Chasing the “Elite” QB
This is a huge leap in logic unless you already believe that Kirk is a notch or two below that status. I do not! Is he effective in Gruden’s offense? NO DOUBT! But that severely limits his options elsewhere. There’s a reason why Kirk and SF/ LA are interested in him…familiarity in systems much like the one he currently plays in. None of this makes him remotely close to “Elite” just good/ effective in this type of offense.
Who do we replace him with?
Ans: Another QB of his type/style is the easy answer, and this player, like Cousins, also doesn’t have to be remotely close to “Elite” either. I’ve already identified at least one, who has a much better pedigree than Kirk and will bring more to the position than Kirk has to this point. I don’t give a shit if you agree or not, so let’s dispense with the he can’t beat out Dalton BS, unless you want a reminder that we currently have a QB who also couldn’t beat out a guy that is not even in the league now.
The team will be “set-back” without Kirk, with a rookie or someone else.
Nonsense……Let’s say that Perine effectively improves the running game, and that the defensive changes makes this a top 15 defense. How does replacing Kirk change any of that? It doesn’t!! A vastly improved team remains a vastly improved team with or without the QB. How is it known that the Offense, which I suspect was the intent of such “set-back” speculation won’t be better? In fact, the very best way to improve almost any offensive team is by having to rely on the arm of the QB less. An effective running game does exactly that. Hell, I’m a pretty spry 63+ year old dude, give me a top ten defense and a really efficient running game and I’ll get us into the playoff hunt….possibly better! (see: Flacco, Manning in his last year)
Time to put to rest the Dumbest question ever asked on this site!!
Why would SF or any other team want to pay and trade for Kirk if Washington doesn’t think he’s worth the price? ( or something to that effect)
How does free agency work? Basically, teams are willing to pay for players that another team won’t…correct? Just because Washington won’t or are thus far placing a lower than market value on him, doesn’t mean that there are others who see him differently. So it comes down to this simple reasoning. Quit with the horseshit equivalency questions.
Market value myth
Last time I looked, DC like every other NFL franchise, is a separate privately owned entity. They are free to run their business in any way that they deem proper. There is a NO market value, just the cost of doing business with a CBA in place. Truth is, if that actually set the market, there would be no reason to negotiate. It also holds that, if Dan Snyder offered Kirk half ownership and he accepted it, that sets the market or baseline for other teams to follow, but who says that they have to adhere to it? Looks to me, since 2015, this organization has set its own value on the current QB position which means ONLY one of two things must change in order to get a deal done with Cousins.
1. Kirk and his agent accept what’s being termed the “Lowball” offer which didn’t happen.
2. The Organization changes its MO and offers an acceptable contract beyond their considered value, which also didn’t happen.
Neither of these seem to be in the offing after two years, both are holding fast to their original positions. Dan and Bruce must believe that “renting” him is far better than a long term deal. To most of us this is nonsense, considering the money paid out on the tags, but like I said it’s a privately owned business, to keep him and their hopes for a change of mind on Kirk’s part they were forced to pay the tag. Contractually, they do what they want.
Then there’s this:
Kirk’s record as a starter is blah, blah, blah but it’s a team game when there are losses? WTF? Isn’t it a team game when there are wins? It’s been said that QB’s get all the glory in success and gets too much blame in losses. It is a team game. QB is ONLY part of that team. Time to quit this “most important player” shit as well. For those who insist upon using that old tired “He touches the ball on every play” excuse, that’s not so…ever hear of a direct snap? However, there is one guy that does touch the ball on every play, passes the ball (shotgun), hands off (direct snap) and is responsible for line calls/ blocking assignments, and NO ONE has ever mentioned making them the highest paid and or the “most important” player. (Center)
Best that we’ve had in 20 years BULLSHIT!!
This says nothing about Kirk at all, but rather how utterly futile this organization has been at building a respectable, let alone a winning team in that time frame. This backward logic only works if the twenty years preceding his taking control and not Gruden, actually didn’t count. Put another way, had Kirk been the QB for any ten year stretch of the past 20 before him, the blocking, tackling, running and catching aspects of the team would NOT have improved one iota. (Right Shar Pourdanesh?) Neither would the one decent wide receiver per year and everyone’s favorite “winning off the field” annual free agency signings, poor trades, worse drafts, and organizational dysfunction. Is he the best that we’ve had in 20 years? YEP!! But in perspective, with zero equaling the past 20 years, do this simple math and see what you get…….0+1=?
It really doesn’t make him the best in 20 years, but instead being fortunate enough to have his time in the league when, there was a better opportunity to succeed than at any time preceding it. When there is a real concerted effort at being and doing better as an organization/team with the product on the field instead of “winning off the field.” As Bruce correctly termed it.
Doug Williams:
As much as it pains me to write this, we are right back to square one. Remember Bobby Mitchell? It’s the same thing, with no up-front or decision making authority. Raise your hands if you believe that Bruce Allen is going to give up ANY of his public or private standing?
There was an interesting tidbits in his statement though,….”All I can do is hope and pray that Kirk looks at the big picture and looks at this football team and realizes we do have a pretty solid football team, solid offensive line, he’s got something to work with.”
The subject of that statement was Kirk (Cousins) admonishing him to take a second look at his position (contractually) based upon what he gains on the field, with a possible move towards the current offer (whatever it is). There is really NO other way to read this. Fool hearty? Yep, but I cannot imagine this to be anything other than the company line or the beginning of the end of DW’s tenure.
New VP of Player Personnel Doug Williams said he wants to sign Kirk Cousins to a long-term contract "in the worst way." Resigning Kirk to the last known offer, would be doing exactly that!!
Ans: No based upon everything that I’ve read by everyone here, this team gets to and win a SB with improvements everywhere OTHER than at QB. This means, whether intended or not by these same posters that the team will have to improve ala Baltimore with Flacco. At the point of improving in other areas to a championship level, Kirk might be the QB, but he’ll not be the reason why they get there and/or win it.
Chasing the “Elite” QB
This is a huge leap in logic unless you already believe that Kirk is a notch or two below that status. I do not! Is he effective in Gruden’s offense? NO DOUBT! But that severely limits his options elsewhere. There’s a reason why Kirk and SF/ LA are interested in him…familiarity in systems much like the one he currently plays in. None of this makes him remotely close to “Elite” just good/ effective in this type of offense.
Who do we replace him with?
Ans: Another QB of his type/style is the easy answer, and this player, like Cousins, also doesn’t have to be remotely close to “Elite” either. I’ve already identified at least one, who has a much better pedigree than Kirk and will bring more to the position than Kirk has to this point. I don’t give a shit if you agree or not, so let’s dispense with the he can’t beat out Dalton BS, unless you want a reminder that we currently have a QB who also couldn’t beat out a guy that is not even in the league now.
The team will be “set-back” without Kirk, with a rookie or someone else.
Nonsense……Let’s say that Perine effectively improves the running game, and that the defensive changes makes this a top 15 defense. How does replacing Kirk change any of that? It doesn’t!! A vastly improved team remains a vastly improved team with or without the QB. How is it known that the Offense, which I suspect was the intent of such “set-back” speculation won’t be better? In fact, the very best way to improve almost any offensive team is by having to rely on the arm of the QB less. An effective running game does exactly that. Hell, I’m a pretty spry 63+ year old dude, give me a top ten defense and a really efficient running game and I’ll get us into the playoff hunt….possibly better! (see: Flacco, Manning in his last year)
Time to put to rest the Dumbest question ever asked on this site!!
Why would SF or any other team want to pay and trade for Kirk if Washington doesn’t think he’s worth the price? ( or something to that effect)
How does free agency work? Basically, teams are willing to pay for players that another team won’t…correct? Just because Washington won’t or are thus far placing a lower than market value on him, doesn’t mean that there are others who see him differently. So it comes down to this simple reasoning. Quit with the horseshit equivalency questions.
Market value myth
Last time I looked, DC like every other NFL franchise, is a separate privately owned entity. They are free to run their business in any way that they deem proper. There is a NO market value, just the cost of doing business with a CBA in place. Truth is, if that actually set the market, there would be no reason to negotiate. It also holds that, if Dan Snyder offered Kirk half ownership and he accepted it, that sets the market or baseline for other teams to follow, but who says that they have to adhere to it? Looks to me, since 2015, this organization has set its own value on the current QB position which means ONLY one of two things must change in order to get a deal done with Cousins.
1. Kirk and his agent accept what’s being termed the “Lowball” offer which didn’t happen.
2. The Organization changes its MO and offers an acceptable contract beyond their considered value, which also didn’t happen.
Neither of these seem to be in the offing after two years, both are holding fast to their original positions. Dan and Bruce must believe that “renting” him is far better than a long term deal. To most of us this is nonsense, considering the money paid out on the tags, but like I said it’s a privately owned business, to keep him and their hopes for a change of mind on Kirk’s part they were forced to pay the tag. Contractually, they do what they want.
Then there’s this:
Kirk’s record as a starter is blah, blah, blah but it’s a team game when there are losses? WTF? Isn’t it a team game when there are wins? It’s been said that QB’s get all the glory in success and gets too much blame in losses. It is a team game. QB is ONLY part of that team. Time to quit this “most important player” shit as well. For those who insist upon using that old tired “He touches the ball on every play” excuse, that’s not so…ever hear of a direct snap? However, there is one guy that does touch the ball on every play, passes the ball (shotgun), hands off (direct snap) and is responsible for line calls/ blocking assignments, and NO ONE has ever mentioned making them the highest paid and or the “most important” player. (Center)
Best that we’ve had in 20 years BULLSHIT!!
This says nothing about Kirk at all, but rather how utterly futile this organization has been at building a respectable, let alone a winning team in that time frame. This backward logic only works if the twenty years preceding his taking control and not Gruden, actually didn’t count. Put another way, had Kirk been the QB for any ten year stretch of the past 20 before him, the blocking, tackling, running and catching aspects of the team would NOT have improved one iota. (Right Shar Pourdanesh?) Neither would the one decent wide receiver per year and everyone’s favorite “winning off the field” annual free agency signings, poor trades, worse drafts, and organizational dysfunction. Is he the best that we’ve had in 20 years? YEP!! But in perspective, with zero equaling the past 20 years, do this simple math and see what you get…….0+1=?
It really doesn’t make him the best in 20 years, but instead being fortunate enough to have his time in the league when, there was a better opportunity to succeed than at any time preceding it. When there is a real concerted effort at being and doing better as an organization/team with the product on the field instead of “winning off the field.” As Bruce correctly termed it.
Doug Williams:
As much as it pains me to write this, we are right back to square one. Remember Bobby Mitchell? It’s the same thing, with no up-front or decision making authority. Raise your hands if you believe that Bruce Allen is going to give up ANY of his public or private standing?
There was an interesting tidbits in his statement though,….”All I can do is hope and pray that Kirk looks at the big picture and looks at this football team and realizes we do have a pretty solid football team, solid offensive line, he’s got something to work with.”
The subject of that statement was Kirk (Cousins) admonishing him to take a second look at his position (contractually) based upon what he gains on the field, with a possible move towards the current offer (whatever it is). There is really NO other way to read this. Fool hearty? Yep, but I cannot imagine this to be anything other than the company line or the beginning of the end of DW’s tenure.
New VP of Player Personnel Doug Williams said he wants to sign Kirk Cousins to a long-term contract "in the worst way." Resigning Kirk to the last known offer, would be doing exactly that!!