A Big12 expansion read

[GoldRusher]

Kind of off-topic, but I think that Houston is trying to position itself to earn an invite to the Big 12.

The basketball team sucks, but its best two players from last year transferred. Attendance also sucks, but I think that Kelvin Sampson is capable of building a pretty strong program.

Any thoughts about Houston joining your conference? Surely between your recent acquisitions of Dana Holgerson and Charles Simms you guys must feel at least a bit of affection toward the Cougars.

Houston has a lot to offer as far as a candidate with tons of potential but I don't see it because of the other 238 Texas schools in the conference. I agree UH is trying to make themselves sexy for a P5 but Im guessing its for one of the other 4.

 

[GoldRusher]

If Wv was not a part of the conference..yes...with Wv part of the Conference..not likely...I think the Big12 would like to take a team more eastern....but if BYU was ready to make the leap that would be the only caveat...IMHO the next Big 12 team will be Virginia Tech..it makes sense of a lot of reasons...you may think I am crazy but remember I am the first one to say when Wv was looking for an AD I bubbled Luck's name up..

not at all. If the ACC starts to blink I agree 100%. They fancy themselves as a candidate for the SEC should the opportunity rise but they fit the Big12 profile much better. Rural with a good following nationally and not much of a tv market. They (meaning their fans)try to claim that they bring the DC market but.. that's LOL funny, claiming a market that's nearly 300 miles away.

 

[GoldRusher]

A lot of confusion among the quartet... I mean trio... duo...

WVU plays ISU during rivalry week. The Cyclones are our new rival. Hope that helps...

Im going to petition the Big12 to move the TCU game to rivalry week for us.

 

[bbwvfan]

Im going to petition the Big12 to move the TCU game to rivalry week for us.

Don't mess with tradition. ISU has always been our rival…

 

[GoldRusher]

a mention of expansion (or lack thereof) and the ccg waiver in this mailbag

Big 12 Mailbag: Signing day, poor officiating, expansion, title race | FOX Sports

 

[Slaton10]

not at all. If the ACC starts to blink I agree 100%. They fancy themselves as a candidate for the SEC should the opportunity rise but they fit the Big12 profile much better. Rural with a good following nationally and not much of a tv market. They (meaning their fans)try to claim that they bring the DC market but.. that's LOL funny, claiming a market that's nearly 300 miles away.

I think with Maryland making the jump it makes it easier for Va Tech to give it some serious thought...that way they are not recuriting or competing for ACC kids with Virginia and the NC schools any longer...and at the end of the day the AIN't a basketball school...

 

[Mac_Bridger]

Kind of off-topic, but I think that Houston is trying to position itself to earn an invite to the Big 12.

The basketball team sucks, but its best two players from last year transferred. Attendance also sucks, but I think that Kelvin Sampson is capable of building a pretty strong program.

Any thoughts about Houston joining your conference? Surely between your recent acquisitions of Dana Holgerson and Charles Simms you guys must feel at least a bit of affection toward the Cougars.

The TV market is right, but I'm not sure of the program's strength. (Sorry, I don't follow you guys) Looking at how hard it's been for us to transition I'd be afraid for Houston's survival... You may end up being a perennial doormat...

Remember, I say this as WVU ruled the Big East and is now no better than a middle of the road program. In hoops we went in coming off a final four and just now are in the top half of the league. This is a tough league...

 

[DBAR4WVU]

Why would any program want to bring in a program, that you already admit, has programs that "suck" along with the the fan base lack of support.

MAD - Are you forgetting about Colorado? The PAC 10/12 took them in and they sucked... Hard!

 

[TexasExes98]

No matter how I answer this, I'm going to come off sounding like a snob. IMHO, I think you already answered your question. Why would any program want to bring in a program, that you already admit, has programs that "suck" along with the the fan base lack of support. Every program has fickle fans, but if YOU think it sucks, then I have to take your word for it since I do not too much about UH except for Phi Slamma Jamma.

I agree. No need to add another school whose fan and alumni base is weak (refer to TCU, Baylor and Okie St) and Cougar High's fan and alumni base is worse than all 3 I just listed. UofH doesn't really bring anything to the table, as their TV market is already absorbed by UT, TTECH and OU (large fan and alumni bases for all 3 reside in Houston), average academics, average overall athletic dept. But most of all, there is no need to add another Texas school.

But really, the Big 12 does not need to expand and doesn't need a worthless CCG. A lack of CCG did not hurt the Big 12, the fact that the Big 12 co-champs were TCU and Baylor and not Texas or OU is what hurt. I even think WVU would have qualified for the playoff, IMO. Do you really think if Purdue won the B1G, Purdue would have received a playoff spot? HELL NO. It was said a thousand times by the experts: If it was Texas or OU, Ohio State does not sniff the playoffs, period. tOSU sells more tickets and hotel rooms than both Baylor and TCU combined. It's an unfortunate situation, but even if the Big 12 had a CCG and Baylor won it, tOSU still goes to the playoff. Go undefeated and you don't have to worry about anything. Lose a game and you leave your fate in the hands of the committee. It's that simple.

 

[TexasExes98]

MAD - Are you forgetting about Colorado? The PAC 10/12 took them in and they sucked... Hard!

Yeah, but in defense of CU (which I can't believe I'm doing b/c their students fucking suck a dick), CU is has the Denver TV market and is a solid academic university which is enough to get an invite.

 

[Slaton10]

Yeah, but in defense of CU (which I can't believe I'm doing b/c their students fucking suck a dick), CU is has the Denver TV market and is a solid academic university which is enough to get an invite.

Add TAMU to absorbing the Houston TV market as well.........but I agree with TEXASEXES...Colorado would make sense...Nebraska would make more sense...for rivalry reasons...but at the end of the day I think whoever is added ( And they will atadd a school) are they going to make a commitment with the additional revenues to work to drive their programs to the next level..TEXASEXES brought up a great example..no conference needs a Purdue, Wake Forrest or a Vanderbilt to just take the additional revenues and run...and bring nothing to the table to stregnthen the conference..

 

[DBAR4WVU]

Seriously though - Houston would be a hard sell IMO. 1ST - there are already 4 Texas teams.
While Houston has a huge TV market - many residents are fans of other Texas teams or are not
from Texas (them foreigners) and don't really watch Houston based sports.
I lived in Houston for 3 years and rarely watched the Cougars even though
the football team was very good during my time there.

I just don't see that happening. I can forsee the following non-Power 5 schools:
BYU, UCF, Cincy, Colorado St (just to piss off Colorado).
I wouldn't mind seeing No. Ill, Memphis, E. Carolina, So. Miss, Air Force - if the plan
is to expand beyond 12. This gets the B12 into ACC/SEC/B10 regions.

Personally, I would prefer to see them focus on moving Eastward for purely selfish reasons.
But you gotta go where the teams are that bring the most to the table.

And as far as the whole ACC departures, etc., I don't see it happening anytime soon.

 

[DBAR4WVU]

Yeah, but in defense of CU (which I can't believe I'm doing b/c their students fucking suck a dick), CU is has the Denver TV market and is a solid academic university which is enough to get an invite.

Point taken - CU has the Denver and surrounding market for TV.
Also their academics are great (how did WVU get the invite again? )

I have a friend who is a Colorado grad and he is a real A-hole about Colorado.
I just like to bust his balls.

 

[mad2mc]

MAD - Are you forgetting about Colorado? The PAC 10/12 took them in and they sucked... Hard!

Point well taken. Mac handled that politically correct. Today I learned that I'm an Elitist asshole, so I guess I stated that by saying that I wasn't attempting to be snobbish. It just didn't didn't translate as well as intended.

 

[Scapegoat]

Bologna fried...on some toast with a 1/2 thick slice of cheese, a load of mustard

I was with you until the chips.

 

[Mac_Bridger]

I agree. No need to add another school whose fan and alumni base is weak (refer to TCU, Baylor and Okie St) and Cougar High's fan and alumni base is worse than all 3 I just listed. UofH doesn't really bring anything to the table, as their TV market is already absorbed by UT, TTECH and OU (large fan and alumni bases for all 3 reside in Houston), average academics, average overall athletic dept. But most of all, there is no need to add another Texas school.

But really, the Big 12 does not need to expand and doesn't need a worthless CCG. A lack of CCG did not hurt the Big 12, the fact that the Big 12 co-champs were TCU and Baylor and not Texas or OU is what hurt. I even think WVU would have qualified for the playoff, IMO. Do you really think if Purdue won the B1G, Purdue would have received a playoff spot? HELL NO. It was said a thousand times by the experts: If it was Texas or OU, Ohio State does not sniff the playoffs, period. tOSU sells more tickets and hotel rooms than both Baylor and TCU combined. It's an unfortunate situation, but even if the Big 12 had a CCG and Baylor won it, tOSU still goes to the playoff. Go undefeated and you don't have to worry about anything. Lose a game and you leave your fate in the hands of the committee. It's that simple.

Well said. Name recognition at it's finest/worst.

 

[GoldRusher]

Nice quote from Bowlsby about future revenues in this one.

Big 12 not considering expansion, title game after college football playoff snubs - The Washington Post

 

[WVUDAD]

Nice quote from Bowlsby about future revenues in this one.

Big 12 not considering expansion, title game after college football playoff snubs - The Washington Post

The next two years will be interesting in CFB for sure. What worries me is that the stance taken by the B12 is based on immediate greed, not long term stability, If OU and Texas right their ships and win the league every year, a B12 team will be in the "playoff", but as long as it is anyone else, we will not see a team from this league in it. I see the same mentality running the B12 as was running the BE, stand pat, sit on your hands, and react to other's moves. Rather than sitting pat, or talking about Cinci, the B12 needs to be pressing hard to get defectors from other leagues, go hard after Nebraska to get them back where they belong, go after Clemson, FSU, make a grab for MSUn, make a bold statement. The longer this four team garbage stays around, the bleaker it will be for the B12, as it will re-enforce the idea that there are four "power" leagues, then the B12, then the rest. I just hope the PAC doesnt start feeling their cheerios for a while.

 

[GoldRusher]

The next two years will be interesting in CFB for sure. What worries me is that the stance taken by the B12 is based on immediate greed, not long term stability, If OU and Texas right their ships and win the league every year, a B12 team will be in the "playoff", but as long as it is anyone else, we will not see a team from this league in it. I see the same mentality running the B12 as was running the BE, stand pat, sit on your hands, and react to other's moves. Rather than sitting pat, or talking about Cinci, the B12 needs to be pressing hard to get defectors from other leagues, go hard after Nebraska to get them back where they belong, go after Clemson, FSU, make a grab for MSUn, make a bold statement. The longer this four team garbage stays around, the bleaker it will be for the B12, as it will re-enforce the idea that there are four "power" leagues, then the B12, then the rest. I just hope the PAC doesnt start feeling their cheerios for a while.

I don't see it that way. I think if Baylor had a decent ooc slate OR had KState knocked off Baylor in that final week then the Big12 would have been fine. The conference would have had a 1 loss champion from what ESPN rated the toughest P5 last year with an ooc slate as good as anyone else BUT, Baylor screwed the conference imo by being gutless in their ooc scheduling (and from the looks of things they will continue to go down that road ooc) and they paid dearly for it. If BAYLOR continues winning the conference or the conference then I agree but We may see the Big 12 take a page from the SEC and mandate members to play at least 1 P5 ooc to correct that problem.

WVU will be playing P5's ooc, Texas does, same with OU, and I assume most of the other members will too so... I think we will be ok most years. There will always be a chance that we cannibalize ourselves in a year here or there but, that's gonna happen from time to time, that's not on the Big12 It could (and prob will) happen to any conference from time to time. that's on a flawed "playoff system" that only takes 4 out of 5 champions from the best conferences rather than giving us a true tourney of champions.

Some of the problems that the ACC and BIG have had are mentioned in the article so maybe there is some of your thinking going on with those AD's and presidents behind the scenes as far as going after some programs from other P5's ,who knows really? Maybe the conference offering more money than the ACC entices a Wake Forest or BC ect. instead of a Clemson or FSU. I say that because it looks like Clemson is doing fine financially:

Clemson approves construction of $62 million football complex, locker room - CBSSports.com

 

[bbwvfan]

Didn't Danny Ford win NC's at Clemson without the need for $62 million facilities?

What is the price of a hot dog at Clemson football games these days?