Game Thread: 9.4.16 Gs @ Chubbs

[msgkings322]

Pads gonna lose again today. Looking more and more like we will be a wild card (although we do still have 6 games vs LA, 3 at home at the very end). But at least are in control of the first wild card.

 

[calsnowskier]

Kuip totally calling out KCYa as he signed off the TV broadcast.

Good. Teams need occasional kicks in the butt.

Chances the org goes after Melacone in the offseason?

 

[msgkings322]

Kuip totally calling out KCYa as he signed off the TV broadcast.

Good. Teams need occasional kicks in the butt.

Chances the org goes after Melacone in the offseason?

Sure why not, I'm sure they will have a different closer next year. But right now we got another title to win....

 

[shrksfn9192]

Pads gonna lose again today. Looking more and more like we will be a wild card (although we do still have 6 games vs LA, 3 at home at the very end). But at least are in control of the first wild card.

True, but if they continue to win at a .348 rate in the upcoming 26 games (as in the last 46), they can forget about the playoffs. At least they would still finish above .500 at 82-80, though.

Also, with 14 total hits in the 4 games, they were fortunate not to get swept.

 

[1phlapdown]

Sure why not, I'm sure they will have a different closer next year. But right now we got another title to win....

We can take some comfort in the fact that Jansen has 6 Blsv, so the dogs are susceptible to the gut punch too.

I think TPTB will insert Nathan into some late inning situations, quickly.

 

[shrksfn9192]

We can take some comfort in the fact that Jansen has 6 Blsv, so the dogs are susceptible to the gut punch too.

I think TPTB will insert Nathan into some late inning situations, quickly.

Time to go to closer-by-committee. Casilla has had enough blown saves so far this season.

 

[shrksfn9192]

Up only 1.5 on STL and 2.5 on NYM now.

 

[Stokes1931]

We can take some comfort in the fact that Jansen has 6 Blsv, so the dogs are susceptible to the gut punch too.

I think TPTB will insert Nathan into some late inning situations, quickly.

MLB Save leaders:

Familia (45 saves) has 3 BS and 3 L in 65 games = 90.8%

Jansen (41 saves) has 6 BS and 2 L in 61 games = 86.9%

Melancon (38 saves) has 3 BS and 1 L in 61 games = 93.4%

Gomez (34 saves) has 4 BS and 3 L in 60 games = 88.3%

Ramos (32 saves) has 3 BS and 2 L in 53 games = 90.6%

KCYa (30 saves) has 7 BS and 4 L in 54 games = 79.6% [This means he is losing 1 of every 5 games he pitches. If his save rate was 90%, we'd have 5.5 more wins]

Jeffress (27 saves) has 1 BS and 2 L in 56 games = 94.6%

Rodney (25 saves) has 2 BS and 3 L in 57 games = 91.2%

 

[Stokes1931]

Does anyone find it odd that the Giants are not carrying a third catcher? What are they trying to do, kill Buster Posey? He's obvious hurting, his bat speed is not there, and we have no third catcher. Makes absolutely no sense to me. None.

 

[LHG]

Does anyone find it odd that the Giants are not carrying a third catcher? What are they trying to do, kill Buster Posey? He's obvious hurting, his bat speed is not there, and we have no third catcher. Makes absolutely no sense to me. None.

Wasn't there also word (from cal) that Brown may have mono? That will surely sap his strength. Olivo hasn't hit that great for AAA and is a bit old for a catcher, but it would seem that the Giants could use him. I do expect a couple more players to be called up/contract purchased after Sac's last game tomorrow.

 

[msgkings322]

Does anyone find it odd that the Giants are not carrying a third catcher? What are they trying to do, kill Buster Posey? He's obvious hurting, his bat speed is not there, and we have no third catcher. Makes absolutely no sense to me. None.

I think they feel like they have to ride Buster hard right now, with how tenuous things are.

 

[SFGRTB]

Does anyone find it odd that the Giants are not carrying a third catcher? What are they trying to do, kill Buster Posey? He's obvious hurting, his bat speed is not there, and we have no third catcher. Makes absolutely no sense to me. None.

The fact that Casilla has pitched so poorly in big situations, and Law is down, the Giants feel they need 13 pitchers in the Pen. I'm pretty shocked they haven't gone with 3 catchers. 13 is just overkill.

 

[calsnowskier]

Wasn't there also word (from cal) that Brown may have mono? That will surely sap his strength. Olivo hasn't hit that great for AAA and is a bit old for a catcher, but it would seem that the Giants could use him. I do expect a couple more players to be called up/contract purchased after Sac's last game tomorrow.

I think I heard it on KNBR that he was being tested for Mono. But then he played the very next day. If he had mono, there is zero chance he would have been able to play right away. Maybe he tested negative.

Once they call up Olivo (or whomever), I hope they let Posey play a lot of 1B. Belt is completely lost right now, and maybe a game or 2 off will clear his head.

 

[1phlapdown]

Dogs facing Grienke -- Gs face Bettis 11-7 but 5+ERA

 

[msgkings322]

MLB Save leaders:

Familia (45 saves) has 3 BS and 3 L in 65 games = 90.8%

Jansen (41 saves) has 6 BS and 2 L in 61 games = 86.9%

Melancon (38 saves) has 3 BS and 1 L in 61 games = 93.4%

Gomez (34 saves) has 4 BS and 3 L in 60 games = 88.3%

Ramos (32 saves) has 3 BS and 2 L in 53 games = 90.6%

KCYa (30 saves) has 7 BS and 4 L in 54 games = 79.6% [This means he is losing 1 of every 5 games he pitches. If his save rate was 90%, we'd have 5.5 more wins]

Jeffress (27 saves) has 1 BS and 2 L in 56 games = 94.6%

Rodney (25 saves) has 2 BS and 3 L in 57 games = 91.2%

The red part isn't really true. Almost all of the losses would have to also be blown saves, you are double counting.

And a couple of the blown saves probably were Giants wins.

So let's say he blew 4 saves instead of 7. That's only a swing of 3 games. Those are important still, and I agree Casilla has not been good overall, but let's not oversell the importance.

 

[msgkings322]

Does anyone find it odd that the Giants are not carrying a third catcher? What are they trying to do, kill Buster Posey? He's obvious hurting, his bat speed is not there, and we have no third catcher. Makes absolutely no sense to me. None.

We saw this in 2014 too, when Buster had ZERO extra base hits in the post season, not even a double. And then we talk a whole lot about moving him off catcher, at least doing so more often. But I guess the brass doesn't see a problem.

 

[msgkings322]

brutal.

still, he didn't blow the save in the ninth...

That's because he's nowhere near good enough to close. Kontos and Gearrin don't blow a lot of saves either.

 

[LHG]

The red part isn't really true. Almost all of the losses would have to also be blown saves, you are double counting.

And a couple of the blown saves probably were Giants wins.

So let's say he blew 4 saves instead of 7. That's only a swing of 3 games. Those are important still, and I agree Casilla has not been good overall, but let's not oversell the importance.

Here's a break down of Casilla's loses and blown saves:
April 9th vs. Dodgers - Blows the save and Kontos comes in and loses the game.
April 18th vs. Diamondbacks - Blows the save and Heston later loses the game.
May 11th vs. Blue Jays - Blows the save but Suarez later gets the win.
June 1st @ Atlanta - Blows the save and Law comes in and loses the game.
June 7th vs Red Sox - Lopez already blew the save in the 7th. Casilla pitches a clean 9th in a tie game but blows up in the 10th and loses the game.
June 10th vs Dodgers - Casilla comes in the 9th inning of a tie game and loses it.
July 16th vs Padres - Come in the 9th with 1 run lead and proceeds to blow the save and lose the game without recording an out.
August 14th vs Orioles - Come in the 9th with a 2 run lead and gives up 3 runs, blowing the save and losing the game.
September 4th @ Cubs - Blows the save and Reynolds later loses the game.

So in the 7 blown saves and 4 loses, the team has gone 1-8.

 

[tzill]

MLB Save leaders:

Familia (45 saves) has 3 BS and 3 L in 65 games = 90.8%

Jansen (41 saves) has 6 BS and 2 L in 61 games = 86.9%

Melancon (38 saves) has 3 BS and 1 L in 61 games = 93.4%

Gomez (34 saves) has 4 BS and 3 L in 60 games = 88.3%

Ramos (32 saves) has 3 BS and 2 L in 53 games = 90.6%

KCYa (30 saves) has 7 BS and 4 L in 54 games = 79.6% [This means he is losing 1 of every 5 games he pitches. If his save rate was 90%, we'd have 5.5 more wins]

Jeffress (27 saves) has 1 BS and 2 L in 56 games = 94.6%

Rodney (25 saves) has 2 BS and 3 L in 57 games = 91.2%

I did a study a couple of years ago regarding save pct.

Basically, anything below 90% is unacceptable.

 

[msgkings322]

Here's a break down of Casilla's loses and blown saves:
April 9th vs. Dodgers - Blows the save and Kontos comes in and loses the game.
April 18th vs. Diamondbacks - Blows the save and Heston later loses the game.
May 11th vs. Blue Jays - Blows the save but Suarez later gets the win.
June 1st @ Atlanta - Blows the save and Law comes in and loses the game.
June 7th vs Red Sox - Lopez already blew the save in the 7th. Casilla pitches a clean 9th in a tie game but blows up in the 10th and loses the game.
June 10th vs Dodgers - Casilla comes in the 9th inning of a tie game and loses it.
July 16th vs Padres - Come in the 9th with 1 run lead and proceeds to blow the save and lose the game without recording an out.
August 14th vs Orioles - Come in the 9th with a 2 run lead and gives up 3 runs, blowing the save and losing the game.
September 4th @ Cubs - Blows the save and Reynolds later loses the game.

So in the 7 blown saves and 4 loses, the team has gone 1-8.

Thanks for this, looks like a little worse than I thought. So a lockdown closer maybe gets us 3-4 more wins which is meaningful. I'm sure he's not the closer next year, and this year maybe they will go to committee