Game Thread: 8/14 Birds @ El Dia de Cueto

[fullxtension]

If we don't get a closer, the season is lost. This is not funny anymore. It's beyond torture. It's bloody screaming murder. Madbum and Cueto have got to be so angry. This has me questioning whether Rags has lost his edge.

 

[calsnowskier]

I am wondering how much of that game falls on Brown.

Ultimately, the pitch selection falls on the pitcher, of course. The catcher only recommends pitches, and the pitcher has to throw it. But if Casilla was truly struggling with the curve, why wasn't Browny mire forceful about going with a different pitch? If Posey were back there, would he have called for the curve? If he called for something else, would ge have been shaken off?

 

[LHG]

I am wondering how much of that game falls on Brown.

Ultimately, the pitch selection falls on the pitcher, of course. The catcher only recommends pitches, and the pitcher has to throw it. But if Casilla was truly struggling with the curve, why wasn't Browny mire forceful about going with a different pitch? If Posey were back there, would he have called for the curve? If he called for something else, would ge have been shaken off?

If you are the rookie back up catcher and your veteran closer wanted to continue throwing the curve, how much sway would you really have in the situation?

 

[LHG]

I wish. in 2010 willie had 48 sv 5 blsv 1.81 era. Casilla already has 6 with 3.28 era. His era has steadily climbed the last 3 yrs.

He was impersonating Armando Benitez and did a great job of doing it. Maybe he can manage not to blow another save before the end of the homestand. Giants' opponents can still feel comfortable when falling behind by a few runs early, even at AT&T Park.

My comment was made before the 3 run home run and had to do with putting runners on before closing it out. It felt like Wilson did that regularly.

 

[1phlapdown]

That's a pretty shitty loss

Hard to imagine how it could have been worse. Well maybe if you added a catastrophic injury.

 

[1phlapdown]

My comment was made before the 3 run home run and had to do with putting runners on before closing it out. It felt like Wilson did that regularly.

He did but he seemingly always managed to escape the jam. Lord knows how.

 

[calsnowskier]

If you are the rookie back up catcher and your veteran closer wanted to continue throwing the curve, how much sway would you really have in the situation?

Kinda my point. He just doesn't have the cache to notice the curve isn't working ad call for something else, so instead he puts down what Casilla wants. Posey has the "power" to change these guys' mind, and maybe would have called for something else, or headed out for a chat, or whatever.

 

[tzill]

Hard to imagine how it could have been worse. Well maybe if you added a catastrophic injury.

I was just thinking: Scott Cousins.

 

[shrksfn9192]

Kinda my point. He just doesn't have the cache to notice the curve isn't working ad call for something else, so instead he puts down what Casilla wants. Posey has the "power" to change these guys' mind, and maybe would have called for something else, or headed out for a chat, or whatever.

No disrespect to Brown, but I think Posey would have kept Casilla from throwing the curveball in that situation.

Also, in a similar situation vs. Washington two Sundays ago, he pitched aggressively to Murphy as the tying run and struck him out on 3 pitches to end that game. Yesterday, he pitched passively to Trumbo prior to Schoop's HR, and he paid the price for it.

 

[1phlapdown]

I was just thinking: Scott Cousins.

 

[SFGRTB]

When Casilla falls in love with that curveball, he gets into trouble. 12 of the 23 pitches he threw were curveballs, 7 were good, 2 were easy takes, 2 were t-ball location. The way he was throwing, you thought maybe he didn't have a good feeling of his fastball. He has a great cruveball, but he also hast a great fastball and slider, he just didn't throw them yesterday.

I don't think Posey would have made much difference. Casilla is head-strong, stubborn. This is the guy who openly lashed out at Bochy for taking him out of a game.

 

[SFGRTB]

If we don't get a closer, the season is lost. This is not funny anymore. It's beyond torture. It's bloody screaming murder. Madbum and Cueto have got to be so angry. This has me questioning whether Rags has lost his edge.

Cueto didn't exactly help his own cause in the 7th.

 

[shrksfn9192]

Cueto didn't exactly help his own cause in the 7th.

Have to think how Cueto's consistently high pitch counts from earlier in the season have been affecting him in the later innings of his recent starts after the break.

 

[SFGRTB]

Have to think how Cueto's consistently high pitch counts from earlier in the season have been affecting him in the later innings of his recent starts after the break.

I was thinking this yesterday, but didn't care to look at the numbers. It does seem like he's just completely losing it in the 7th inning lately.

 

[fullxtension]

Cueto didn't exactly help his own cause in the 7th.

When Strickland and Casilla give up 5 runs in 1.2 innings...you can throw a shutout day after day and you're still going to lose most of the time.

 

[calsnowskier]

Cueto didn't exactly help his own cause in the 7th.

He has a 6 run lead. His strategy shifts and his concentration changes. Cant put any of this on JC...

 

[LHG]

Kinda my point. He just doesn't have the cache to notice the curve isn't working ad call for something else, so instead he puts down what Casilla wants. Posey has the "power" to change these guys' mind, and maybe would have called for something else, or headed out for a chat, or whatever.

Seems a bit of a stretch to place any blame on Brown. Casilla, I'm pretty sure, has melted down with Posey catching too.

 

[calsnowskier]

Seems a bit of a stretch to place any blame on Brown. Casilla, I'm pretty sure, has melted down with Posey catching too.

I said "blame" (ok, not the actual word, but the idea of the word), but it was more in a general sense. Like you can "blame" anyone inexperienced for doing something that a more experienced person would not do.

I also said that ultimately it 100% falls on Casilla because the catcher never calls a game, he suggests a game.

 

[SFGRTB]

He has a 6 run lead. His strategy shifts and his concentration changes. Cant put any of this on JC...

A 6-run lead with one of the highest scoring teams in baseball, with the most homers? I'm not fully blaming him, but you can't lose your concentration to a team like that. This is still on Casilla mostly. Strick did a nice job of getting out of the 7th, and honestly made good pitches in the 8th, just got beat by better hitting. Law lwt a runner score.

 

[msgkings322]

Two laughers in a row it looks like....

Sorry guys, yesterday was my fault as much as Casilla's...Colined us