6 years / 96 mill (voidable after 2 years)

[CrashDavisSports]

6 years / 96 million (17 million guaranteed) and 19 million in escalators based solely off playoff goals.

Also, the contract is easily voidable without much penalty after two seasons. So if Dalton is still f'n it up in the playoffs and McCarron is coming around as the guy to go to, we can void Dalton's contract and go with McCarron. Also, with the way this contract is structured, it allows us to be able to sign Green and Burfict long term.

Dalton can't sit idol and not improve to earn this contract, he has to work his butt off and win playoff games. If he does that, this contract is a drop in the bucket, especially what QB's are about to make with the salary cap expected to nearly double in the next 3 years from what I read online.

In order for Dalton to earn it, he has to win playoff games, if he does not, we are out of it in 2 years and we are no worse off, except McCarron has 2 more years of playbook and experience practicing against our top 5 defense to get going.

Great deal for Dalton is he earns it, great deal for the Bengals whether he earns it or not because of the out.

 

[cincygrad]

It was a good deal. I can complain about keeping Dalton, but I can't complain about the contract. It certainly favors the team.

If this were bizaro world and talent did not actually dictate success on the field, it would be interesting to see if Dalton would hold out after three years of success. If he's a top 10 qb in 3 years, he'll be drastically underpaid.

 

[bengaldoug]

It is a good deal for the team, just a year too soon.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

It is a good deal for the team, just a year too soon.

If he won this year, that is not close to the deal we would have had to endure to resign Dalton. Then you would be stuck with him for 6+ years even if he declines because the cap hit would have been too great.

This was the right time for this type of deal thanks to the out. If that out was not available, it would have been a bad deal and i would be agreeing with you.

 

[bengaldoug]

If he won this year, that is not close to the deal we would have had to endure to resign Dalton. Then you would be stuck with him for 6+ years even if he declines because the cap hit would have been too great.

This was the right time for this type of deal thanks to the out. If that out was not available, it would have been a bad deal and i would be agreeing with you.

That's a pretty big if, and one that they should be willing to bet against.

 

[Cincyfan78]

As I stated in the other thread, it works because of the AJ effect.

You are singing Dalton because you can't risk starting over at QB next year, the Bengals aren't getting a top tier QB here via F/A and you don't want to start over with a rookie with the rest of the roster playoff ready.

On top of that, AJ doesn't sign, Dalton has a big year this year and you are stuck...2 guys, 1 tag. While the consensus would be to tag AJ (and that's right), it puts you right back into the spot you were trying to avoid, starting over at QB with a playoff ready roster.

 

[DanBengalfan]

 

[flamingrey]

It is a good deal for the team, just a year too soon.

Exactly.

 

[flamingrey]

If he won this year, that is not close to the deal we would have had to endure to resign Dalton. Then you would be stuck with him for 6+ years even if he declines because the cap hit would have been too great.

This was the right time for this type of deal thanks to the out. If that out was not available, it would have been a bad deal and i would be agreeing with you.

Even if Dalton wins a single playoff game, it would slightly up his contract. Which is exactly what this currently structured contract does. If he wins a playoff game, he's getting $1 million/year extra (average of $17 million/year). Another $0.5 million for a Divisional playoff win.

If Dalton won the SB, then he'd be signing a huge contract. Without doubt. But again, that's exactly what this contract is if he wins the SB. This contract balloons to $19 million/year if he wins the SB this season.

No matter how you paint the picture, the contract could've waited one year.

 

[flamingrey]

As I stated in the other thread, it works because of the AJ effect.

You are singing Dalton because you can't risk starting over at QB next year, the Bengals aren't getting a top tier QB here via F/A and you don't want to start over with a rookie with the rest of the roster playoff ready.

On top of that, AJ doesn't sign, Dalton has a big year this year and you are stuck...2 guys, 1 tag. While the consensus would be to tag AJ (and that's right), it puts you right back into the spot you were trying to avoid, starting over at QB with a playoff ready roster.

If Dalton hadn't earned a long-term contract by the end of this season, it would've been time to let him go. 1 guy, 1 tag. Dalton is/was never eligible. And really, no reason AJ doesn't get a huge contract.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

If Dalton hadn't earned a long-term contract by the end of this season, it would've been time to let him go. 1 guy, 1 tag. Dalton is/was never eligible. And really, no reason AJ doesn't get a huge contract.

Then you are jeopardizingf being able to resign him, Green and Burfict.

If Dalton goes off, this deal saves all our players and we can resign them all. If we hadn't resigned Dalton, then you are looking at trying to decide who to tag, Burfict or Dalton. Of course you choose your QB, and now our heart and soul of the defense is gone. We have the option on AJ for next year regardless that we already exercised at 10.5 million.

Now Dalton is locked up to a very team friendly contract, AJ's option has been exercised for 10.5 mill without having to tag him as Franchise, which means, no matter what, we will have Dalton, Green and Burfict another 2 years because we can franchise tag Burfict next year now if necessary, if no long term deal is struck between now and then.

 

[flamingrey]

Then you are jeopardizingf being able to resign him, Green and Burfict.

If Dalton goes off, this deal saves all our players and we can resign them all. If we hadn't resigned Dalton, then you are looking at trying to decide who to tag, Burfict or Dalton. Of course you choose your QB, and now our heart and soul of the defense is gone. We have the option on AJ for next year regardless that we already exercised at 10.5 million.

Now Dalton is locked up to a very team friendly contract, AJ's option has been exercised for 10.5 mill without having to tag him as Franchise, which means, no matter what, we will have Dalton, Green and Burfict another 2 years because we can franchise tag Burfict next year now if necessary, if no long term deal is struck between now and then.

If Dalton goes off you sign him to a larger contract. No issue. And/or you sign Burfict to a longer deal. The other reality of the situation is the Bengals haven't used the franchise tag in ages, and even this past offseason, only 4/32 teams used it (and at least one has agreed to a larger contract). You're overstating the franchise tag deal. It doesn't have the same value it used to have, not to teams, not to players.

Also, people keep throwing around the term "team friendly", but it's way more complicated than that.

If Dalton wins a SB, it's no longer "team friendly". If Dalton wins a playoff game, it's no longer as "team friendly", though it is still good. And before we go on and talk about how he can be released at any time, if he wins a playoff game, the reality is he's bought himself another 2-3 years. Yet, what complicates this even further is the AFC is so bad, this team can win multiple playoff games DESPITE Dalton's presence. He can continue to suck and his contract can still balloon. And that's the worst of all scenarios.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

If Dalton goes off you sign him to a larger contract. No issue. And/or you sign Burfict to a longer deal. The other reality of the situation is the Bengals haven't used the franchise tag in ages, and even this past offseason, only 4/32 teams used it (and at least one has agreed to a larger contract). You're overstating the franchise tag deal. It doesn't have the same value it used to have, not to teams, not to players.

Also, people keep throwing around the term "team friendly", but it's way more complicated than that.

If Dalton wins a SB, it's no longer "team friendly". If Dalton wins a playoff game, it's no longer as "team friendly", though it is still good. And before we go on and talk about how he can be released at any time, if he wins a playoff game, the reality is he's bought himself another 2-3 years. Yet, what complicates this even further is the AFC is so bad, this team can win multiple playoff games DESPITE Dalton's presence. He can continue to suck and his contract can still balloon. And that's the worst of all scenarios.

Yeah, I would hate to win multiple playoff games. That does indeed sound like the worst case scenerio. haha

 

[bphillips4gg]

If Dalton goes off you sign him to a larger contract. No issue. And/or you sign Burfict to a longer deal. The other reality of the situation is the Bengals haven't used the franchise tag in ages, and even this past offseason, only 4/32 teams used it (and at least one has agreed to a larger contract). You're overstating the franchise tag deal. It doesn't have the same value it used to have, not to teams, not to players.

Also, people keep throwing around the term "team friendly", but it's way more complicated than that.

If Dalton wins a SB, it's no longer "team friendly". If Dalton wins a playoff game, it's no longer as "team friendly", though it is still good. And before we go on and talk about how he can be released at any time, if he wins a playoff game, the reality is he's bought himself another 2-3 years. Yet, what complicates this even further is the AFC is so bad, this team can win multiple playoff games DESPITE Dalton's presence. He can continue to suck and his contract can still balloon. And that's the worst of all scenarios.

If the Bengals win the Super Bowl at the end of this season, I'd be perfectly content paying the QB that led them to a world Championship 19 mil per.

Did you really just say, for all intents and purposes, that winning the Super Bowl would be the "worst case scenario" for this team? Really?

 

[futballiscool]

I love the deal.

It gives the Bengals all the leverage. If he plays poorly they can cut their losses at any time. If he plays well they can renegotiate the deal to include more guaranteed money but strictly on the team's terms

 

[cincygrad]

As I stated in the other thread, it works because of the AJ effect.

You are singing Dalton because you can't risk starting over at QB next year, the Bengals aren't getting a top tier QB here via F/A and you don't want to start over with a rookie with the rest of the roster playoff ready.

On top of that, AJ doesn't sign, Dalton has a big year this year and you are stuck...2 guys, 1 tag. While the consensus would be to tag AJ (and that's right), it puts you right back into the spot you were trying to avoid, starting over at QB with a playoff ready roster.

I understand the logic, but it's a little off..... AJ is under contract for 2 more seasons - The Bengals had a 5th year option that all first rounders have in the new CBA. Dalton could be franchised for 1 year before potentially having to franchise AJ.

That said, they have a ton of cap space right now, so they had to give it to one of the guys that will come up. Dalton actually makes the most sense because they have options with AJ and Burfict.

 

[cincygrad]

If we win the Super Bowl, I'll be fine with 3 years of watching Andy Dalton suck.

 

[bengaldoug]

If we win the Super Bowl, I'll be fine with 3 years of watching Andy Dalton suck.

Me too......but are you holding your breath in anticipation? I'm not............

 

[cincygrad]

Me too......but are you holding your breath in anticipation? I'm not............

No. It's not happening. But since it was mentioned......

 

[cincygrad]

And to be fair, if we win the Super Bowl I don't care if we suck for 10 years.

Hell, I put up with 15 years of sucking after LOSING a Super Bowl.