(3) Warriors vs (2) Celtics 2021-22 FINALS

[tlance]

They are definitely going to be the best defensive team the Warriors have faced...but the Warriors are going to be easily the best offensive team that the Celtics have faced.

Imo, there's a fairly significantly bigger gap between the Warriors and Celtics offenses than between the defenses.

As good as Tatum is, he will have to be the best player in the series by a decent margin for the Celtics to win and I don't think he will be.

Oh, I think Tatum is definitely the best player in the series.

The question is will he play like it every night?

And will the Celtic support players make enough shots?

 

[Wamu]

(1)When both teams they beat weren't healthy...no. Not really.

The fact that they got taken to the brink by 2 teams that weren't as healthy, tells me that they likely lose those series if the Bucks or Heat are healthy.

Folks were crowning the Suns last year...then they played a healthy Bucks team in the finals.

(2)Not saying that the Celtics didn't have their own issues, but they were definitely healthier than the Bucks or Heat. Unless something happens before the series starts or early in the series, they won't have that advantage against the Warriors.

1- And neither were the Celtics.

2- You seem to be saying the Celtics issues aren't as valid as the Heat & Bucks.

Injuries are injuries, especially to key players. R. Williams isn't the same player right now that he was before the surgery. As the primary low post defender Williams held opponents to a league best 39% shooting during the regular season. Smart's been dinged up.

If Milwaukee's & Miami's injuries are valid so are Boston's.


Let me ask you this. It's a what if type of thing. Gonna use your Lakers as the example.

Let's say they did the same thing in the playoffs that the Celtics have done, going to game 7 against two good teams that were a little dinged up while dealing with their own injuries. Win two game seven's, one of the road. Would you still say they weren't battled tested?

 

[Gman]

C'mon man, the point is that they shouldn't have been such battles.

Even if the Heat were at full strength, the Celtics were the more talented team. They should have been able to take the Heat in 6 games max.

There's little doubt in my mind that if the Celtics won these series in fewer games, you would still claim they weren't 'battle tested' because they had it easy because of injuries or whatever.

But I get that you're obligated to be a hater here.

 

[trojanfan12]

1- And neither were the Celtics.

Which was already acknowledged. But please don't try to pretend that the Celtics were as banged up as the Bucks or Heat.

2- You seem to be saying the Celtics issues aren't as valid as the Heat & Bucks.

That's because they aren't.

Injuries are injuries, especially to key players. R. Williams isn't the same player right now that he was before the surgery. As the primary low post defender Williams held opponents to a league best 39% shooting during the regular season. Smart's been dinged up.

How many games did Williams and Smart miss and how many games did Middleton and Herro miss?

Heck, the Heat played 1 game without Jimmy and at least 2 where he looked like he should have been out with the way he was moving. How many games did Tatum miss or look like his mobility was seriously compromised?

If Milwaukee's & Miami's injuries are valid so are Boston's.

No one is saying they weren't. But let's not pretend that the Celtics weren't in better shape than the Bucks or Heat.

Let me ask you this. It's a what if type of thing. Gonna use your Lakers as the example.

Let's say they did the same thing in the playoffs that the Celtics have done, going to game 7 against two good teams that were a little dinged up while dealing with their own injuries. Win two game seven's, one of the road. Would you still say they weren't battled tested?

If they were ''a little dinged up'', probably not.

But if they took 7 games to beat 2 teams that were considerably more beat up...yes, I would say they weren't battle tested and I would be worried that they were now going to be in against a team that they didn't have a health advantage against.

 

[LogicMan]

It’s the old vets vs the yutes. Home court won’t matter in this series

 

[Wamu]

Which was already acknowledged. But please don't try to pretend that the Celtics were as banged up as the Bucks or Heat.



That's because they aren't.



How many games did Williams and Smart miss and how many games did Middleton and Herro miss?

Heck, the Heat played 1 game without Jimmy and at least 2 where he looked like he should have been out with the way he was moving. How many games did Tatum miss or look like his mobility was seriously compromised?


No one is saying they weren't. But let's not pretend that the Celtics weren't in better shape than the Bucks or Heat.



If they were ''a little dinged up'', probably not.

But if they took 7 games to beat 2 teams that were considerably more beat up...yes, I would say they weren't battle tested and I would be worried that they were now going to be in against a team that they didn't have a health advantage against.

Where exactly did I say or imply the Celtics are as banged up as those other two teams? All I said was Boston's dealing with their own nagging injuries. Are you willing to say I'm incorrect in saying that? No teams this time of year are 100% healthy.

 

[trojanfan12]

There's little doubt in my mind that if the Celtics won these series in fewer games, you would still claim they weren't 'battle tested' because they had it easy because of injuries or whatever.

That's likely true. However, I would also be saying they have a better chance than I think they do now because they would have done exactly what they should have done against depleted teams.

 

[trojanfan12]

Where exactly did I say or imply the Celtics are as banged up as those other two teams? All I said was Boston's dealing with their own nagging injuries. Are you willing to say I'm incorrect in saying that?

I already acknowledged that the Celtics had their own issues, at least twice.

If this is going to be one of those conversations that you like to get into where you ignore what has been said to feed your narrative and keep arguing, then this conversation is over.

That the Celtics aren't 100%. But you seem to disagree.

Find one post where I said the Celtics were 100%.

When you can't...come back, apologize and then we can discuss what was actually said.

Until then, have a nice Memorial Day.

 

[Wamu]

I already acknowledged that the Celtics had their own issues, at least twice.

If this is going to be one of those conversations that you like to get into where you ignore what has been said to feed your narrative and keep arguing, then this conversation is over.



Find one post where I said the Celtics were 100%.

When you can't...come back, apologize and then we can discuss what was actually said.

Until then, have a nice Memorial Day.

Me saying the Celtics aren't 100% is arguing? Alrighty then.

 

[trojanfan12]

Me saying the Celtics aren't 100% is arguing? Alrighty then.

Like I said, when you can discuss what has actually been said...Have a nice Memorial Day.

 

[msgkings322]

A great team dont get pushed to 7 in either series due to the injury situations Milwaukee and Miami dealt with

Yeah but no team was 'great' this year, not even the Ws. Although, the playoff Ws might be, didn't see this team all year. If they win convincingly they will look pretty 'great'

But I think more likely a long, close series.

 

[Wamu]

Like I said, when you can discuss what has actually been said...Have a nice Memorial Day.

And like I said the Celtics have been dealing with some injuries as well. That's all I'm saying. Tell me I'm wrong in saying that. Tell me that the Celtics are 100% healthy right now. Are they as bad as the Bucks & Heat? Of course not. But injuries are still injuries. Just some are worse than others.

 

[raptorlife4]

 

[Wamu]

This time of year all teams still playing are dealing with injuries. Some worse than others obviously. Proof injuries have played a direct roll in things recently just look at the Finals since 2015. All but '17 & '18 one of the teams had some type of injury to a key player or two.

 

[Gman]

That's likely true. However, I would also be saying they have a better chance than I think they do now because they would have done exactly what they should have done against depleted teams.

Fair enough.

I think you somewhat underrate how good Milwaukee and Miami still were, though. They're both very well coached, and they both still had absolute stud superstars who each put up some epic performances.

That might have been the best Giannis has ever played... (especially considering the caliber of defense he was facing).

 

[msgkings322]

This time of year all teams still playing are dealing with injuries. Some worse than others obviously. Proof injuries have played a direct roll in things recently just look at the Finals since 2015. All but '17 & '18 one of the teams had some type of injury to a key player or two.

Warriors are full strength (Iggy can wave a towel and be a bench coach)

 

[msgkings322]

Fair enough.

I think you somewhat underrate how good Milwaukee and Miami still were, though. They're both very well coached, and they both still had absolute stud superstars who each put up some epic performances.

That might have been the best Giannis has ever played... (especially considering the caliber of defense he was facing).

We did mostly say the winner of Boston-Milwaukee would go to the finals.

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

Warriors installed as Finals favorites over Celtics

Caesars Sportsbook installed the Warriors (-160) as the series favorites over the Celtics in the NBA Finals, which tip off Thursday night in San Francisco.

www.espn.com

The Golden State Warriors are the favorites in the NBA Finals over a Boston Celtics team looking to make underdog history.
Caesars Sportsbook installed the Warriors as -160 favorites over the Celtics (+140) in an intriguing best-of-seven series that tips off Thursday in San Francisco. Golden State opened as a 3-point favorite in Game 1.

The Warriors entered the season at 10-1 to win the championship at Caesars Sportsbook and were among the title favorites throughout the year. They knocked off the Dallas Mavericks in five games to reach their sixth NBA Finals in the past eight years, a feat accomplished by only three other NBA franchises: the Chicago Bulls, Los Angeles Lakers and the Celtics.

While Golden State was among the top tier of title favorites, Boston began the season as a 50-1 long shot. Based on preseason odds, the Celtics would be the biggest long shot to win a title in the past 35 years, according to sports betting archive SportsOddsHistory.com.

 

[msgkings322]

Warriors installed as Finals favorites over Celtics

Caesars Sportsbook installed the Warriors (-160) as the series favorites over the Celtics in the NBA Finals, which tip off Thursday night in San Francisco.

www.espn.com

The Golden State Warriors are the favorites in the NBA Finals over a Boston Celtics team looking to make underdog history.
Caesars Sportsbook installed the Warriors as -160 favorites over the Celtics (+140) in an intriguing best-of-seven series that tips off Thursday in San Francisco. Golden State opened as a 3-point favorite in Game 1.

The Warriors entered the season at 10-1 to win the championship at Caesars Sportsbook and were among the title favorites throughout the year. They knocked off the Dallas Mavericks in five games to reach their sixth NBA Finals in the past eight years, a feat accomplished by only three other NBA franchises: the Chicago Bulls, Los Angeles Lakers and the Celtics.

While Golden State was among the top tier of title favorites, Boston began the season as a 50-1 long shot. Based on preseason odds, the Celtics would be the biggest long shot to win a title in the past 35 years, according to sports betting archive SportsOddsHistory.com.

3 points is basically the home team amount. These teams are pretty equal IMO. Tiny edge to GS, but that's all you need to win in 7.

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

3 points is basically the home team amount. These teams are pretty equal IMO. Tiny edge to GS, but that's all you need to win in 7.

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