Series Thread: 2nd Round: Toronto Raptors vs Philadelphia Sixers

[msgkings322]

I agree. It distorts the game.

Keep 3s but get rid of the easy corner ones

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

People still have trouble accepting that 40% from 3 is the same as 60% from 2.

True but it doesn't account for the lost opportunity cost of taking a 2 pt FG attempt that has a higher chance of success.

 

[flyerhawk]

True but it doesn't account for the lost opportunity cost of taking a 2 pt FG attempt that has a higher chance of success.

What do you mean here? An open layup is a better shot than an open 3 certainly.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

What do you mean here? An open layup is a better shot than an open 3 certainly.

Your likelihood of success in general is higher from 2 than from 3.

 

[flyerhawk]

Your likelihood of success in general is higher from 2 than from 3.

It depends on the shot. An 18 footer is only marginally more likely than a 3 for instance. A contested 12 footer is harder than an open 3.

 

[bksballer89]

@flyerhawk Wasn't on SportsHoopla much since Saturday as I was out in Florida for a few days so what did @WiggyRuss say about Jimmy carrying the Sixers to victory in a critical game 2?

 

[flyerhawk]

@flyerhawk Wasn't on SportsHoopla much since Saturday as I was out in Florida for a few days so what did @WiggyRuss say about Jimmy carrying the Sixers to victory in a critical game 2?

He tried to claim that 30 points on 22 shots was poor but otherwise he did ok. Not one of his better efforts.

 

[bksballer89]

Finally reviewing the box score from game 2.

Toronto can't lose that game when they get 76 from their big 3.

To get 5 points out of their bench when they have 3 solid bench players is unacceptable

 

[tlance]

Did you really say this?

Yes he did.

And the best part?

Had it been a player he liked with the identical stat line we would have praised them for a good game.

Butler was also mic'd up. I was impressed with his leadership during the game.

 

[tlance]

It depends on the shot. An 18 footer is only marginally more likely than a 3 for instance. A contested 12 footer is harder than an open 3.

This is a concept many don't get.

Closer is not better.

A well contested shot at the rim for an average player is significantly worse than an open 3 for an average shooter.

Open is better.

 

[dtgold88]

This is a concept many don't get.

Closer is not better.

A well contested shot at the rim for an average player is significantly worse than an open 3 for an average shooter.

Open is better.

Agree, but I do think most get this concept.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

It depends on the shot. An 18 footer is only marginally more likely than a 3 for instance. A contested 12 footer is harder than an open 3.

You would need to quantify how many open/contested 3's the player gets, how many open/contested 2's and then compare shots made/shots missed for each before cross-referencing it with 40% from three is 60% from 2. Which I'm sure is exactly what those analytics guys that teams hire do.

 

[tlance]

Agree, but I do think most get this concept.

You might be surprised

 

[tlance]

Agree, but I do think most get this concept.

And I am not talking about people on here necessarily. People in general. Some who even know a lot about basketball.

 

[trojanfan12]

And I am not talking about people on here necessarily. People in general. Some who even know a lot about basketball.

Yeah, it can be a difficult concept to completely grasp. We are so used to everything above 50% shooting being progressively better the higher it goes and below 50% being progressively worse depending on how low the percentage goes.

So, when looking at a guy who shot 50% from the field that were all 2's and guy shooting 40% from the field that were all 3's, the guy shooting 50% looks better...uintil you see that the guy shooting 40% scored more points.

Heck, I know this, have for a long time, and still struggle to accept it. lol

 

[flyerhawk]

You would need to quantify how many open/contested 3's the player gets, how many open/contested 2's and then compare shots made/shots missed for each before cross-referencing it with 40% from three is 60% from 2. Which I'm sure is exactly what those analytics guys that teams hire do.

Well I would think that most player's shooting efficiency is ranked in this order....

1. Open short shots
2. Open long shots.
3. Contested short shots.
4. Contested long shots.

 

[flyerhawk]

I would say that tonight's game is critical for the Sixers.

If they win they can take control of the narrative. Even if they lose game 4, they would have plenty of reason to believe they can take the series.

If they lose tonight then I think it's possible that the Raptors take the series in 5 or 6.

 

[bksballer89]

If they lose tonight then I think it's possible that the Raptors take the series in 5 or 6.

Let's hope this happens

 

[flyerhawk]

Let's hope this happens

https://media.giphy.com/media/nglE7v1oU9LKE/giphy.gif

 

[Wamu]

Holy crap this is some funny stuff.


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