2024 Free agency and draft thread

[Sharkonabicycle]

Yeah I know you don’t want a receiver at 12. I could see the Cowboys going a few places, if Jeanty is available I definitely think they take him but that’s extremely unlikely, Hampton is a possibility I guess, and I guess D-Line is a possibility as well or maybe even O-Line, but I just think they want to give Dak another solid receiver, there’s no clear cut #2 guy behind CeeDee and could use a boost at the position. But again, I’m just speculating, anything could happen.

If we take Zabel over Booker I'm going to be a fair bit annoyed.

I get Zabel is an athletic freak, but IMO he's just not a road grader like Booker that will get you 3rd or 4th and short (where Seattle probably lost at least two games because they couldn't do it last year).

Anyway, if you go to the Seahawks forum you can see me giving my case against Harold. I wouldn't be upset with Zabel, but I would just be underwhelmed by Seattle taking him with the 18th.. only to start him at right guard (Haynes has been doing ZBS since he was a sperm and was a mid 3rd round pick) or Center (Oluwatimi wasn't even that bad last year, that was Williams snapping every ball over Geno's head).

Whatever. I'll be grading Zabel a B or so if Seattle drafts him. I'll give Booker an A. Not to mention Booker has HUGE leadership qualities. The only leader as of right now on Seattle's offensive roster is Kupp... Booker is the type of person that is like, "Get the fuckin' yard you pussies. Nut up or shut up..." Zabel will probably complain his small ass hands hurt too much.

TLDR: I am not high on Zabel at 18 for Seattle. I would MUCH rather have Booker.. and I would even moreso rather just trade up for Membou...

And frankly, if it's between Zabel, Egbuka, or Loveland at 18... give me Egbuka or Loveland over Zabel. I just don't think Zabel is an 18th overall prospect. In a GOOD OL class he'd be a late 2nd rounder.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Yeah I know you don’t want a receiver at 12. I could see the Cowboys going a few places, if Jeanty is available I definitely think they take him but that’s extremely unlikely, Hampton is a possibility I guess, and I guess D-Line is a possibility as well or maybe even O-Line, but I just think they want to give Dak another solid receiver, there’s no clear cut #2 guy behind CeeDee and could use a boost at the position. But again, I’m just speculating, anything could happen.

They need a lot from where I sit. I think Dallas can look OL DL RB WR here and go BPA among those positions.

 

[Southieinnc]

Wow. I wonder if the Saints might trade up for Shedeur now? I wonder what they do if they top 2 QBs (Ward and Shedeur) are off the board when they pick?

They need to make the call to NE at this point......

 

[dtgold88]

Thanks. A lot of the top 10 will depend upon what the Browns do, if the Browns surprise people and take Sanders that throws everything for a loop, Giants I guess could take him as well, but if he gets by them I bet the Saints snag him, hell I could even see the Saints trading up for him as I doubt they want to start the season with a QB room of Spencer Rattler and Jake Haener.
The Jets could definitely go O-Line at 7, but the fact that they don’t have a proven starting TE on their roster and the fact that they need more receivers besides Wilson makes me think it will be hard for them to pass on Warren, who had a monster season last year in college.
I can’t wait for the draft - there’s very little football news at this time of year, and I always miss football in the offseason, so the draft is really fun.

I am curious why you had the Browns taking Carter when seems pretty much everyone now has us taking Hunter.

Unless you go by my personal logic......whatever one thinks of the Browns FO I think they'd be extremely tight lipped on actual plans and if so many think Hunter it will be something else.

Totally agree on last comment and while I watched missed not having 1st rounders for so long

 

[Xeliou66]

I am curious why you had the Browns taking Carter when seems pretty much everyone now has us taking Hunter.

Unless you go by my personal logic......whatever one thinks of the Browns FO I think they'd be extremely tight lipped on actual plans and if so many think Hunter it will be something else.

Totally agree on last comment and while I watched missed not having 1st rounders for so long

I think Carter is a better fit for them, Garrett is great but he’s their only real strong edge rusher, adding in Carter would give them an outstanding duo at edge rusher, probably one of the NFL’s best. From everything I’ve heard Hunter will play more DB than WR in the NFL and the corner position isn’t really a big need for the Browns I don’t think. You are a Browns fan, which would you prefer to have?
I always look forward to the draft, I miss football the entire offseason and it’s nice to have it front and center again for a couple of days.

 

[dtgold88]

I think Carter is a better fit for them, Garrett is great but he’s their only real strong edge rusher, adding in Carter would give them an outstanding duo at edge rusher, probably one of the NFL’s best. From everything I’ve heard Hunter will play more DB than WR in the NFL and the corner position isn’t really a big need for the Browns I don’t think. You are a Browns fan, which would you prefer to have?
I always look forward to the draft, I miss football the entire offseason and it’s nice to have it front and center again for a couple of days.

Can argue Garrett the best edge and not just real strong. Guessing what we have as other DE is fine combined with Garrett. I hear as many saying Hunter's primary position will be WR as I do DB. Maybe more. Guess is IF we took him he's play mostly WR and maybe 20-30 plays on D?

Still hoping they love Sanders and take him but between Carter and Hunter I'd prefer Hunter. we need offense way more than D (and again think he will play more WR).

 

[Xeliou66]

Can argue Garrett the best edge and not just real strong. Guessing what we have as other DE is fine combined with Garrett. I hear as many saying Hunter's primary position will be WR as I do DB. Maybe more. Guess is IF we took him he's play mostly WR and maybe 20-30 plays on D?

Still hoping they love Sanders and take him but between Carter and Hunter I'd prefer Hunter. we need offense way more than D (and again think he will play more WR).

Interesting, from what I’ve heard from most Hunter will be more of a DB but you never know. Garrett is no doubt an elite edge rusher, and yeah he boosts the play of the other guys up front, but the Browns don’t have any other real good pass rushers, a Garrett/Carter combo would likely give them one of the best pass rushing D’s in the NFL. Browns do need improvement at receiver and so if they want Hunter to mainly play there I definitely see them taking him. And it’s definitely possible they take Sanders, which would throw everything else for a loop.

 

[Clayton]

I think Carter is a better fit for them, Garrett is great but he’s their only real strong edge rusher, adding in Carter would give them an outstanding duo at edge rusher, probably one of the NFL’s best. From everything I’ve heard Hunter will play more DB than WR in the NFL and the corner position isn’t really a big need for the Browns I don’t think. You are a Browns fan, which would you prefer to have?
I always look forward to the draft, I miss football the entire offseason and it’s nice to have it front and center again for a couple of days.

I think Carter is the better prospect so I could see the Browns taking him but I think Hunter is the better fit.

McGuire has a PFF grade of 83.3 which is 11th overall in the NFL and Myles Garrett is 92.3 which is 2nd overall. They already have the best DE combo in the league I believe.

 

[dtgold88]

Interesting, from what I’ve heard from most Hunter will be more of a DB but you never know. Garrett is no doubt an elite edge rusher, and yeah he boosts the play of the other guys up front, but the Browns don’t have any other real good pass rushers, a Garrett/Carter combo would likely give them one of the best pass rushing D’s in the NFL. Browns do need improvement at receiver and so if they want Hunter to mainly play there I definitely see them taking him. And it’s definitely possible they take Sanders, which would throw everything else for a loop.

Just not one who thinks another stud edge guy with everything we lack on O is needed for us as the top DEs in the sport don't often lead to being a top team. Look no further than Watt, Garrett and Parsons.

The other options at DE - Wright, Okoronkwo, McGuire, Kamara and perhaps a day 2 pick - Are serviceable as #2 and 3 DEs IMO.

Where Hunter goes later who knows as Ward could be gone in 2-3 years (maybe sooner if can replace with cheaper version). also need to either pay Emerson or let him go, too, soon.

 

[dtgold88]

I think Carter is the better prospect so I could see the Browns taking him but I think Hunter is the better fit.

McGuire has a PFF grade of 83.3 which is 11th overall in the NFL and Myles Garrett is 92.3 which is 2nd overall. They already have the best DE combo in the league I believe.

Ninjad sort of.....not sure how much I'd count on McGuire to repeat that production especially if used more but between him and Wright (and maybe day 2 pick) should be able to make due.

 

[Xeliou66]

I think Carter is the better prospect so I could see the Browns taking him but I think Hunter is the better fit.

McGuire has a PFF grade of 83.3 which is 11th overall in the NFL and Myles Garrett is 92.3 which is 2nd overall. They already have the best DE combo in the league I believe.

Very interesting, McGuire only had 2.5 sacks last year but he did have a lot of TFLs and he’s only been in the NFL for 2 years and might get more sacks this season. I didn’t know he was rated so high.
I think the Texans have the best edge combo in the NFL, Anderson and Hunter are terrific.

Just not one who thinks another stud edge guy with everything we lack on O is needed for us as the top DEs in the sport don't often lead to being a top team. Look no further than Watt, Garrett and Parsons.

The other options at DE - Wright, Okoronkwo, McGuire, Kamara and perhaps a day 2 pick - Are serviceable as #2 and 3 DEs IMO.

Where Hunter goes later who knows as Ward could be gone in 2-3 years (maybe sooner if can replace with cheaper version). also need to either pay Emerson or let him go, too, soon.

Interesting. I agree that O is a bigger need for the Browns. I won’t be shocked if they take Sanders honestly.

 

[Clayton]

Very interesting, McGuire only had 2.5 sacks last year but he did have a lot of TFLs and he’s only been in the NFL for 2 years and might get more sacks this season. I didn’t know he was rated so high.

Both things are true. McGuire is 4th ranked at stopping the run overall in the league and 60th at rushing the passer. I believe Clowney was similar when he was on the Browns. Browns seem to run that way with Garrett. That said, maybe thats not by choice in which case they can take Carter.

 

[dtgold88]

Very interesting, McGuire only had 2.5 sacks last year but he did have a lot of TFLs and he’s only been in the NFL for 2 years and might get more sacks this season. I didn’t know he was rated so high.
I think the Texans have the best edge combo in the NFL, Anderson and Hunter are terrific.

Interesting. I agree that O is a bigger need for the Browns. I won’t be shocked if they take Sanders honestly.

I wont either......with most now thinking he is not the choice makes me think might be more likely him.....or something completely unexpected.

 

[dtgold88]

Both things are true. McGuire is 4th ranked at stopping the run overall in the league and 60th at rushing the passer. I believe Clowney was similar when he was on the Browns. Browns seem to run that way with Garrett. That said, maybe thats not by choice in which case they can take Carter.

Definitely could take Carter and, sure, he'd likely help some.......just think we have much bigger needs than another DE. Though I guess if turns into a stud could move Myles?

 

[Xeliou66]

Both things are true. McGuire is 4th ranked at stopping the run overall in the league and 60th at rushing the passer. I believe Clowney was similar when he was on the Browns. Browns seem to run that way with Garrett. That said, maybe thats not by choice in which case they can take Carter.

Interesting, yeah I knew he was better at stopping the run. Garrett had 14 sacks last year and he’s elite, but the Browns second leading sacker last year had 5 sacks and that was Smith who’s gone now, no one else had more than 3. So they could definitely use another good pass rusher, but I agree offense is a more pressing need.

I wont either......with most now thinking he is not the choice makes me think might be more likely him.....or something completely unexpected.

Yeah it seems like most people are thinking the Browns pass on Sanders but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if they take him. It would throw things for a loop for the Saints though, I wonder what they would do then, select Dart in the first round?

 

[dtgold88]

Interesting, yeah I knew he was better at stopping the run. Garrett had 14 sacks last year and he’s elite, but the Browns second leading sacker last year had 5 sacks and that was Smith who’s gone now, no one else had more than 3. So they could definitely use another good pass rusher, but I agree offense is a more pressing need.

Yeah it seems like most people are thinking the Browns pass on Sanders but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if they take him. It would throw things for a loop for the Saints though, I wonder what they would do then, select Dart in the first round?

Don't think they necessarily need to go QB......only if they love someone available. Drafting one just todraft one is how you get Manuel or Ponder.

 

[Xeliou66]

Don't think they necessarily need to go QB......only if they love someone available. Drafting one just todraft one is how you get Manuel or Ponder.

Yes and it’s what the Colts did with Richardson as well, they took him because they thought they had to take a QB and that hasn’t worked out, it’s just hard to imagine the Saints going into the season with either Rattler or Haener as their starter

 

[dtgold88]

Yes and it’s what the Colts did with Richardson as well, they took him because they thought they had to take a QB and that hasn’t worked out, it’s just hard to imagine the Saints going into the season with either Rattler or Haener as their starter

Could always get one on Day 2 or make a trade?

They went after Watson once...it's time to try again. Just ignore he likely cannot play in 2025-26

 

[dtgold88]

oh...also ignore Watson might not ever be good again.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Browns should 100% take Carter. That's an easy decision.

Drafting a 3rd round worthy QB or a Ohtani type WR/CB dork that is going to be on IR his first year is beyond fail.