2023 offseason thread

[DJ Fieri]

Posted new pics of Austin on FB, @Mecca....looking like a young Jimi Hendrix....LOL.

 

[shopson67]

SGA over all those guys

Isn't he more of a SG?

 

[shopson67]

I read earlier today that the Mavs want a sign and trade and the Lakers and Heat aren't interested in that.

Of course the Mavs are clinging to that hope, but that ship has sailed (unless Miami has a contract they need to shed after the Dame trade). 7 teams deciding not to keep you around through an 8 year career certainly brings red flags, especially when he's a very productive offensive player. If this doesn't make him self-correct, nothing will.

 

[shopson67]

I wasn’t a fan of the lakers draft, but they’ve earned some leeway

The jury is still out on JHS, and will be for a while (I don't see him getting a lot of run in his rookie season, barring injuries). I like some of what I saw in Vegas (body control, pro build, doesn't get sped up), but his shot is a work in progress. Looked a little better as he settled in, so I'm hopeful.

As far as Lewis, Hodge, and Castleton, all are worthy 2nd round and UDFA additions and have shown at least flashes this summer. Fudge is an athlete that is still figuring it out, but could someday be a Vanderbilt type if he does. Will any become at least rotation players? Maybe 50/50...

 

[thunderc]

Isn't he more of a SG?

Generally see him listed with the PGs. He is #3 on this list.

Ranking: The Top 24 point guards for the 2023-24 season

HoopsHype puts together a ranking of the Top 24 point guards ahead of the 2023-24 season, including Stephen Curry and Luka Doncic.

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[tlance]

He does at 23. You guys realize that those other guys are all over 23 now, right?

When his career is over, I doubt he'll be mentioned with those guys...but right now...according to that stat, he deserves to be mentioned with them when they were 23.

Sure.

But it is one of those lame happenstance stat lines.

All the other players on that list had significantly better overall lines, and with better efficiency.

So yeah, he is on the list. And he belongs there.

But he isn’t nearly as good as the other players on it.

Obviously.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I read earlier today that the Mavs want a sign and trade and the Lakers and Heat aren't interested in that.

Seen that also.

 

[bksballer89]

Generally see him listed with the PGs. He is #3 on this list.

Ranking: The Top 24 point guards for the 2023-24 season

HoopsHype puts together a ranking of the Top 24 point guards ahead of the 2023-24 season, including Stephen Curry and Luka Doncic.

hoopshype.com

Yeah he's never been considered a sg

 

[shopson67]

Yeah he's never been considered a sg

Yet he hasn't led the Thunder in assists, behind Giddey each of the last 2 seasons. Not by a lot, but Giddey isn't a prototypical PG either. Both are really combo guards.

20 shots, 11 ft and less than 6 apg sounds a lot like a SG.

 

[tlance]

Yet he hasn't led the Thunder in assists, behind Giddey each of the last 2 seasons. Not by a lot, but Giddey isn't a prototypical PG either. Both are really combo guards.

20 shots, 11 ft and less than 6 apg sounds a lot like a SG.

I don’t think it matters.

We really need to stop trying to classify players by outdated positions.

OKC play positionless.

From now on it should really be 3 categories:

Primary ball handlers - can be more than 1 on the court at a time
Wings- perimeter oriented players who aren’t primary ball handlers- can be traditional 2-4- and even 5 in some cases
Bigs- these are your pick and roll, pick and pop, and post type players

Some guys even fit in more than 1

 

[thunderc]

Yet he hasn't led the Thunder in assists, behind Giddey each of the last 2 seasons. Not by a lot, but Giddey isn't a prototypical PG either. Both are really combo guards.

20 shots, 11 ft and less than 6 apg sounds a lot like a SG.

The Thunder really don’t have positions anywhere

 

[thunderc]

I don’t think it matters.

We really need to stop trying to classify players by outdated positions.

OKC play positionless.

From now on it should really be 3 categories:

Primary ball handlers - can be more than 1 on the court at a time
Wings- perimeter oriented players who aren’t primary ball handlers- can be traditional 2-4- and even 5 in some cases
Bigs- these are your pick and roll, pick and pop, and post type players

Some guys even fit in more than 1

yes Presti has been leading this charge and it’s getting ready to be even more defined.

 

[shopson67]

I don’t think it matters.

We really need to stop trying to classify players by outdated positions.

OKC play positionless.

From now on it should really be 3 categories:

Primary ball handlers - can be more than 1 on the court at a time
Wings- perimeter oriented players who aren’t primary ball handlers- can be traditional 2-4- and even 5 in some cases
Bigs- these are your pick and roll, pick and pop, and post type players

Some guys even fit in more than 1

Sure, all of that is true. He's also never averaged 6 apg and is clearly a scoring-first guard. Just explaining why I saw him as a SG more than a true PG.

 

[shopson67]

yes Presti has been leading this charge and it’s getting ready to be even more defined.

Wouldn't that be less defined, lol?

 

[thunderc]

Wouldn't that be less defined, lol?

No, being less defined is what is being more defined. Lol

 

[tlance]

Sure, all of that is true. He's also never averaged 6 apg and is clearly a scoring-first guard. Just explaining why I saw him as a SG more than a true PG.

I could make that same case for a lot of point guards in the game today.

SGA perhaps more than most for sure.

Point is he is a very good guard. It is okay that he doesn’t fit neatly into any old school position definitions.

 

[shopson67]

No, being less defined is what is being more defined. Lol

 

[logic]

I could make that same case for a lot of point guards in the game today.

SGA perhaps more than most for sure.

Point is he is a very good guard. It is okay that he doesn’t fit neatly into any old school position definitions.

Even not so recent guards. Billups only averaged over 6 asst in only 4 seasons and one of them was not even the championship season, and no one questions that he was a point guard.

 

[shopson67]

Even not so recent guards. Billups only averaged over 6 asst in only 4 seasons and one of them was not even the championship season, and no one questions that he was a point guard.

Sure, but he was the leading assist man on those teams (and it was 5 seasons including his first with the Nuggets). Nobody was mistaking Richard Hamilton for a PG.

 

[thunderc]

hey @Mecca

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