2021-2022 NBA Season

[tlance]

My issue on the MVP conversation is this:

If your top 3 is changing almost weekly, then you are way too prisoner of the moment.

To actually WIN MVP, a player needs to check all of these boxes IMO:

1: superstar caliber stats
2: high level winning team
3: lack of a peer on the roster who could also get MVP consideration
4: Staying power- 1 hit wonders never win. Got to back it up for multiple seasons to really be in the conversation

There is a reason why LeBron didn’t win the first year AD was in LA. It was because AD was playing at a similarly high level. Lavine is playing at the same level that DeRozan is. Trying to somehow say that his production is MVP level but LaVine’s isn’t is completely arbitrary.

Especially since DeRozan’s track record is that his past teams tend to be about the same (or better) after he leaves.

As for LeBron, if the Lakers get to the top 4 then maybe we can talk about. But bottom line, they were supposed to be a contender pre season and they have only been a disappointment.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Dude.

He is great.

But if you think he has as much impact that he had even 3 years ago, you are delusional.

If he did, guess what?

The Lakers would not be below .500 37 games into the season.

So you're blaming him for them being under .500.

Got it.

 

[tlance]

So you're blaming him for them being under .500.

Got it.

No. That is unless you blame him for the Westbrook trade.

But you can’t be an MVP if your team is below .500.

And you know full well that LeBron isn’t as impactful as he was a few years ago.

Not even a debate.

Still a great player though.

 

[Shanemansj13]

He is more legit than DeRozan because he has the resume and staying power to back it up.

But LeBron isn’t too 3 either.

Top 3:

KD
Curry
Jokic

Curry isn’t above Lebron

 

[Shanemansj13]

My issue on the MVP conversation is this:

If your top 3 is changing almost weekly, then you are way too prisoner of the moment.

To actually WIN MVP, a player needs to check all of these boxes IMO:

1: superstar caliber stats
2: high level winning team
3: lack of a peer on the roster who could also get MVP consideration
4: Staying power- 1 hit wonders never win. Got to back it up for multiple seasons to really be in the conversation

There is a reason why LeBron didn’t win the first year AD was in LA. It was because AD was playing at a similarly high level. Lavine is playing at the same level that DeRozan is. Trying to somehow say that his production is MVP level but LaVine’s isn’t is completely arbitrary.

Especially since DeRozan’s track record is that his past teams tend to be about the same (or better) after he leaves.

As for LeBron, if the Lakers get to the top 4 then maybe we can talk about. But bottom line, they were supposed to be a contender pre season and they have only been a disappointment.

It’s not in the moment, Lebron is having a way better season than Curry. Cmon man. Curry is having his worst shooting season of his career and yes he makes a far greater impact than scoring but no way am I giving it to a guy shooting 43%. Lebron is shooting almost 10% higher from the field and 38% from 3 while shooting 8 3’s a game which is ridiculous. Lebron is a still a better defender than Curry even at his age BUT bc Curry has a far superior coach, team and fit around him we are putting him ahead of Lebron. Nothing about that makes sense.

You have nothing that tells me he’s a better candidate than Lebron except team record which is honestly dumb.

 

[trojanfan12]

Raptors need to relocate to the states immediately

Seattle has a vacancy.

 

[bksballer89]

Seattle has a vacancy.

Yeah something needs to be done. What they're doing in Canada doesn't make sense. Anytime a new variant comes around, you are just going to stop fans from attending games....COWARDS

 

[fightinfunbags]

Yeah something needs to be done. What they're doing in Canada doesn't make sense. Anytime a new variant comes around, you are just going to stop fans from attending games....COWARDS

Especially because with each new variant they get weaker and weaker in terms of its potential fatality. This is the arc. It’s on its way to being no different than a flu or bad cold. If a person is immunocompromised or some other health concern they need to continue to act in safety avoiding big crowds and wearing masks while out. But this thing should almost be over for the rest of us.

 

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[tlance]

It’s not in the moment, Lebron is having a way better season than Curry. Cmon man. Curry is having his worst shooting season of his career and yes he makes a far greater impact than scoring but no way am I giving it to a guy shooting 43%. Lebron is shooting almost 10% higher from the field and 38% from 3 while shooting 8 3’s a game which is ridiculous. Lebron is a still a better defender than Curry even at his age BUT bc Curry has a far superior coach, team and fit around him we are putting him ahead of Lebron. Nothing about that makes sense.

You have nothing that tells me he’s a better candidate than Lebron except team record which is honestly dumb.

Seriously?

The Warriors have the best record in the NBA, and Curry’s best teammates are the often maligned Andrew Wiggins and the non-scoring Draymond Green.

Even though his shooting percentage is down, his true shooting is still over 60% which is elite for a guard. He is taking 13 3s a game and is defended with a level of attention that is unmatched by any player in the entire league, perhaps aside from Giannis.

Curry has better fit to be sure, but Curry also has a game that fits with ANYBODY.

Like 3 weeks ago people were saying Curry was a slam dunk favorite. Now, all of a sudden LeBron has a couple stellar weeks and he has somehow surpassed Curry in some of your minds?

Look, LeBron should have won more than 4 MVPs in the past, but this year isn’t it.

 

[tlance]

Let’s put him in the MVP race!

That is how some people here think.

 

[bksballer89]

Seriously?

The Warriors have the best record in the NBA, and Curry’s best teammates are the often maligned Andrew Wiggins and the non-scoring Draymond Green.

Even though his shooting percentage is down, his true shooting is still over 60% which is elite for a guard. He is taking 13 3s a game and is defended with a level of attention that is unmatched by any player in the entire league, perhaps aside from Giannis.

Curry has better fit to be sure, but Curry also has a game that fits with ANYBODY.

Like 3 weeks ago people were saying Curry was a slam dunk favorite. Now, all of a sudden LeBron has a couple stellar weeks and he has somehow surpassed Curry in some of your minds?

Look, LeBron should have won more than 4 MVPs in the past, but this year isn’t it.

You are right for now but if lakers get a 4 seed and he ends up avg 29/7/6 on low to mid 50% shooting then he may finish higher than steph unless steph goes on a tear as he did last season

 

[tlance]

You are right for now but if lakers get a 4 seed and he ends up avg 29/7/6 on low to mid 50% shooting then he may finish higher than steph unless steph goes on a tear as he did last season

Sure.

But we are talking year to date.

No way that the clear and a way catalyst for the team with the best record in the league can be behind a player on a team with other big name stars that is below .500.

And using defense is the reason is a joke. The Warriors top 3 defensively and the Lakers are one of the worst defensive teams in the entire league.

If I need a player to get 1 stop in a big spot, obviously anyone is taking LeBron over Curry. But over the course of a 48 minute game where LeBron is using his energy for offense, he is not making much of an impact on the Lakers’ defense.

 

[trojanfan12]

A couple of things on the MVP talk...first, time for me to dust off my annual We need 2 awards take.

Lebron is, without question, putting up MVP caliber numbers...but blame it on injuries, Covid protocols or whatever, it is not resulting in enough wins to put him in the MVP race. Obviously, that can and maybe even will, happen, but right now, its not the case.

We need a Most Outstanding Player award for situations like Lebrons.

 

[tlance]

You are right for now but if lakers get a 4 seed and he ends up avg 29/7/6 on low to mid 50% shooting then he may finish higher than steph unless steph goes on a tear as he did last season

2 more things:

Steph’s efficiency will improve when Klay returns

And If AD plays like AD, the Lakers are supposed to be top 4. Nobody thought the Dubs would have the best record in the NBA right now.

But now all of sudden, everyone is acting like LBJ is carrying a team of nobodies and we are right back to expecting GS to be the best team.

That was not the case when the season started.

 

[tlance]

A couple of things on the MVP talk...first, time for me to dust off my annual We need 2 awards take.

Lebron is, without question, putting up MVP caliber numbers...but blame it on injuries, Covid protocols or whatever, it is not resulting in enough wins to put him in the MVP race. Obviously, that can and maybe even will, happen, but right now, its not the case.

We need a Most Outstanding Player award for situations like Lebrons.

Even then, I have Jokic clearly ahead.

He is doing as much with even less and posting even better numbers.

 

[trojanfan12]

The Warriors top 3 defensively and the Lakers are one of the worst defensive teams in the entire league.

Tied for 12th in defensive rating is now one of the worst defensive teams in the entire league...interesting.

 

[bksballer89]

2 more things:

Steph’s efficiency will improve when Klay returns

And If AD plays like AD, the Lakers are supposed to be top 4. Nobody thought the Dubs would have the best record in the NBA right now.

But now all of sudden, everyone is acting like LBJ is carrying a team of nobodies and we are right back to expecting GS to be the best team.

That was not the case when the season started.

Shit changed