2015 Draft

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Damn, you beat me to it.... I was going to post one up, but I got busier than a one legged man in an ass kickin contest!!!

 

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Projected NFL 1st-Round Draft Shane Ray Pick Cited For Weed Possession

The draft better hurry up or all of these knuckleheads are going to keep dropping like flies out of the 1st round!

 

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In light of recent developments:

Steelers GM Kevin Colbert speaks about drafting players with troubled pasts - Behind the Steel Curtain

Lookin at you Gregory, Ray or Peters lol

I've always enjoyed listening/watching Colbert. He’s always very honest and open with what he and the Steelers Front Office are thinking without discussing the merits of particular players.

 

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2015 NFL Draft: Mike Tomlin's All-Time, All-Drafted Steelers Team (So Far) - Behind the Steel Curtain

Pretty cool! Cringed when I saw Ryan Mundy's name lol.

 

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2015 NFL Draft: Bill Cowher's All-Time, All-Drafted Steelers Team - Behind the Steel Curtain

By comparison... Cowher was a defensive mastermind. The Rooneys & Colbert deserve a lot of credit though. But its always the coach that gets the label. This year's draft will likely shed more light on Tomlin's defensive mind.

 

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@ATL96Steeler

Man am I glad that I didn't get my '13 draft day wish for Dion Jordan!

 

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[MISKO]

this one legged kicker never did work out

 

[ATL96Steeler]

@ATL96Steeler

Man am I glad that I didn't get my '13 draft day wish for Dion Jordan!

Seriously.

My 2 top picks from that draft were Barkavious Mingo, from LSU (CLE...not doing much more than JJ) and Alec Olgeltree (STL...flat out balling).

 

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Seriously.

My 2 top picks from that draft were Barkavious Mingo, from LSU (CLE...not doing much more than JJ) and Alec Olgeltree (STL...flat out balling).

Ogletree would have been a great addition. But I think Shazier has the talent to be the same, if not better than Alec. I still like the JJ pick. But that will change in a hurry this season if he doesn't produce like we need/expect him to.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Ogletree would have been a great addition. But I think Shazier has the talent to be the same, if not better than Alec. I still like the JJ pick. But that will change in a hurry this season if he doesn't produce like we need/expect him to.

I never saw Shazier play in college, not that remember anyway, so his rookie season is all I have to go on...I think if they use him right he can make a lot of splash plays...JJ...much like Shark, C Allen, and even Mitchell to some degree...I'm going to let this year play out before I make a firm conclusion...but my gut tells me that JJ will be an okay player for us, won't make us forget the great edge LBs from the past...5 to 6 sacks a yr is what I envision and if we get that from JH, and Heyward, say 3 to 4 from Shazier, Tuitt and McLendon...sprinkle in 2 or 3 from Timmons and Moats and you have the type DEF that I think Butler is building.

 

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I never saw Shazier play in college, not that remember anyway, so his rookie season is all I have to go on...I think if they use him right he can make a lot of splash plays...JJ...much like Shark, C Allen, and even Mitchell to some degree...I'm going to let this year play out before I make a firm conclusion...but my gut tells me that JJ will be an okay player for us, won't make us forget the great edge LBs from the past...5 to 6 sacks a yr is what I envision and if we get that from JH, and Heyward, say 3 to 4 from Shazier, Tuitt and McLendon...sprinkle in 2 or 3 from Timmons and Moats and you have the type DEF that I think Butler is building.

I can agree with that! But I'll always hope for better! You know me... The optimist!

Honestly I don't feel very strongly about Shark anymore. I think he is a great kid and all (work ethic, mindset, etc), but the more I think about it, the more last year's coaching makes me wonder if Shark is ever going to amount to much more than a ST/subpackage type guy. I just find it hard to imagine that they would choose Will Allen over him for those games LY if they thought Shark was the future. There could be something that we're missing or not told about, but its hard not to be discouraged. And I think if they decide to take a S within the first 3 rounds then Shark is going to have a tough time getting on the field. But who knows... Maybe there is a plan in place that I'm not seeing right now. Maybe its Mitchell they are more concerned with lol. We shall see

 

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Ladies & gents.... Johnny ZERO!!!


Buckle up! It could be a wild ride today!

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I can agree with that! But I'll always hope for better! You know me... The optimist!

Honestly I don't feel very strongly about Shark anymore. I think he is a great kid and all (work ethic, mindset, etc), but the more I think about it, the more last year's coaching makes me wonder if Shark is ever going to amount to much more than a ST/subpackage type guy. I just find it hard to imagine that they would choose Will Allen over him for those games LY if they thought Shark was the future. There could be something that we're missing or not told about, but its hard not to be discouraged. And I think if they decide to take a S within the first 3 rounds then Shark is going to have a tough time getting on the field. But who knows... Maybe there is a plan in place that I'm not seeing right now. Maybe its Mitchell they are more concerned with lol. We shall see

Indeed you are Face!

I try to be...but I've been feeling some kinda way about Shark for some time now and it was definitely reinforced when Allen got the nod over a healthy Shark when Troy missed time LY.

Now...before I jump off the deep end...we know that Lebeau prefers vets, and maybe that was the reason, but I still don't feel good about Shark...I'm pretty confident a S will be taken this week. and like you said...1st 3 rounds is not a good sign for Shark either, but we shall see.

 

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Indeed you are Face!

I try to be...but I've been feeling some kinda way about Shark for some time now and it was definitely reinforced when Allen got the nod over a healthy Shark when Troy missed time LY.

Now...before I jump off the deep end...we know that Lebeau prefers vets, and maybe that was the reason, but I still don't feel good about Shark...I'm pretty confident a S will be taken this week. and like you said...1st 3 rounds is not a good sign for Shark either, but we shall see.

One of the many reasons I enjoy conversing with you... You balance out my (sometimes extreme) optimism with wisdom & realism lol

I remember thinking about the Lebeau/vet preference. But honestly they were throwing a LOT of rookies into the fire over the last couple seasons, and not just purely out of necessity. They could have stuck with V-Will over Shazier last season. They could have kept Cam Thomas in there over McCullers. And they were increasing Tuitt's reps long before Keisel went down. You could tell that the times were-a-changin'. Or maybe that was Lebeau's writing on the wall so-to-speak. Maybe he knew that is the direction where Butler was going to take the unit so he was easing the transition?

 

[ATL96Steeler]

One of the many reasons I enjoy conversing with you... You balance out my (sometimes extreme) optimism with wisdom & realism lol

I remember thinking about the Lebeau/vet preference. But honestly they were throwing a LOT of rookies into the fire over the last couple seasons, and not just purely out of necessity. They could have stuck with V-Will over Shazier last season. They could have kept Cam Thomas in there over McCullers. And they were increasing Tuitt's reps long before Keisel went down. You could tell that the times were-a-changin'. Or maybe that was Lebeau's writing on the wall so-to-speak. Maybe he knew that is the direction where Butler was going to take the unit so he was easing the transition?

I'm just as bad sometimes! lol!

Shazier...I was surprised he was named starter out the gate...hindsight being 20/20 they might have been best served to spoon feed him until about week 4 or 6 maybe.

McCullers...if we could see Cam being blown out of holes, turned, plowed, etc...we know that didn't disappear on film day. Even Lebeau probably said, yeah let's get this kid some snaps...lol

Tuitt...coach Mitch seemed to like this kid pretty early. I think the plan all along was to bring him along slowly which is why they brought Brett back.

 

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I'm just as bad sometimes! lol!

Shazier...I was surprised he was named starter out the gate...hindsight being 20/20 they might have been best served to spoon feed him until about week 4 or 6 maybe.

McCullers...if we could see Cam being blown out of holes, turned, plowed, etc...we know that didn't disappear on film day. Even Lebeau probably said, yeah let's get this kid some snaps...lol

Tuitt...coach Mitch seemed to like this kid pretty early. I think the plan all along was to bring him along slowly which is why they brought Brett back.

Agreed on all accounts. Not a big fan of how they kept giving Cam Thomas opportunities when he was clearly the weakpoint. But I can understand the decision to bring McCullers & Tuitt along slowly. Its hard to rebuild a kids psyche after it has been dismantled. Not saying that either was susceptible, but its a worry any coach would have. We'll find out just how hard that 'rebuilding' is when we see Cortez back in action. But bringing back Keisel was a great decision. That at least solidified the outside to allow that progression for the younger guys, especially Tuitt. And like you said... Lebeau was probably forced to throw McCullers in due to Cam Thomas' inability to hold the line. Thomas was the equivalent of the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.

I'm probably just repeating everything you said... Haven't had much coffee this morning lol

 

[element1286]

Trying to get into the draft quickly the past few days guys. Have been working a lot with no time for research.

Along the Shark riff, and safeties in general, I've been thinking that MM's skill set profiles much better at SS than FS. I don't know Shamarko's skill set to well, but they need a ball hawk at FS more so than anything. Troy being able to make plays on the ball from the SS spot let them have a more physical player at FS. But I think they need to move back into the traditional SS/FS skill set split with the more physical player at SS and the better cover/ball hawk guy at FS.

Also, along that line of thinking, maybe you forgo the safety spot in the draft, focus on multiple corners, with the idea that Cortez Allen can be a FS in the future and has the skill set to be a good one.

 

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Bud Dupree... welcome to Pittsburgh!


Jesus the top CB's were FLYING off the board! Top 3 within 8 picks of each other. Shocked Dupree & Ray fell! Pretty happy with the pick. Feels like last year, we had a position & a target but the chips didn't fall the way they wanted. Still came away with a top 10-15 talent. The OLB pool is loaded now. Not sure I see much hope for Howard Jones making the team this year

Not sure how to order them outside of the top 4...
1. JJ
2. Moats
3. Harrison
4. Dupree
5. Lemon
6. Zumwalt
7. HoJo
8. Nix
9. Green

Not to mention V-Will is big enough now to play OLB.