2013 Draft

[Tubbs1518]

Here is a thread to post all 2013 draft thoughts in.

 

[Tubbs1518]

My pre-playoff mock draft:

1. Ezekial Ansah DE BYU
2a. David Amerson CB/S NC State
2b. Khaseem Green OLB Rutgers
3. Carrington Byndum CB Texas
4. Jonathan Franklin RB UCLA
5. Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina
6. Tyrran Mathieu CB/S LSU
7. Denard Robinson RB/WR/KR/PR

 

[ckhokie]

Only one safety that doesn't really play safety? And I'm not counting Mathieu, bc he sucks.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

AND 3 RB's?

 

[Tubbs1518]

Only one safety that doesn't really play safety? And I'm not counting Mathieu, bc he sucks.

Yep. Amerson is a ball hawk. He is exactly what we need at the Safety position.

And I think Mathieu would be a damn good FS or nickle guy in this league with his turnover causing ability.

 

[ckhokie]

Mathieu has terrible ball skills and really is far from any type of shutdown guy. Don't let his return skills (which are very good) confuse you. I don't see him as anything more than a ST player in the league. There are plenty of folks in the college football crowd, including LSU fans, on this site who would agree.

Amerson is good, but I wouldn't go throwing all of our eggs in that basket considering he isn't even a safety, and it is such a position of need

 

[Tubbs1518]

AND 3 RB's?

Really only 2 Robinson would probably never play RB, but we need a good return man and I think he could be. But I didn't think about Mathieu being a great return man until now so I would probably take Robinson off and add someone else on. An OL or a backup QB. Franklin gives us the speed back we need, and why not grab Lattimore in the 5th if available (which i don't think he will be, I see him going in the 3rd)? No one more talented will be available in that round. We have already seen you can come back from this injury.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Mathieu has terrible ball skills and really is far from any type of shutdown guy. Don't let his return skills (which are very good) confuse you. I don't see him as anything more than a ST player in the league. There are plenty of folks in the college football crowd, including LSU fans, on this site who would agree.

Amerson is good, but I wouldn't go throwing all of our eggs in that basket considering he isn't even a safety, and it is such a position of need

If nothing else a 6th round pick for a good return man is fine with me. We need a good return man because Tate stinks and is a FA this year. I could possibly change Amerson to Baccari Rambo and move some things around, but I think Amerson is leaps and bounds above any Safety in this draft. I don't think any of them are all that good.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

What are your guys thoughts about the Virginia Tech WR, Marcus Davis? I am very intrigued with his size and speed but I have never seen him play.

6'4" / 230 pounds / 4.45 (40)

I know he is not a very active WR as he doesn't get a ton of catches in the Virginia Tech offense, but seems to have good yards and YPC. Just seems like a large mismatch for a lot of DB's at that size and speed. Could be a decent 2b pick since we get Oaklands 2nd round pick.

I know we are not in the market for a WR,. and I argued the other day we don't need a WR in the top rounds, but our offense seems to be in more trouble than our defense and if we were to make one move on the offense it seems like a position that could really help us.

Thoughts on the kid, idea, etc?

 

[ckhokie]

He's a freak athlete and would definitely make for great compliment for AJ. Had almost 1000 yards receiving this year, in our absolutely terrible offense (just short of the school record for a season). He is a big play threat, and also a good redzone threat because of his size and leaping ability.

I would like to see him put in 100% all the time though. He definitely takes plays off here and there
He's 6'4", runs a 4.4, and has a 42" vertical. Ridiculous combine numbers got Stephen Hill into the 1st round last year, and I would expect MD to be a pretty high pick as well - Round 2 sounds very reasonable. And for what it's worth, I think MD is a better receiver than Stephen Hill as well.

 

[icehole3]

The Bengals lately have been going offense then defense or defense/offense, that may play a roll in future mock drafts

 

[CrashDavisSports]

He's a freak athlete and would definitely make for great compliment for AJ. Had almost 1000 yards receiving this year, in our absolutely terrible offense (just short of the school record for a season). He is a big play threat, and also a good redzone threat because of his size and leaping ability.

I would like to see him put in 100% all the time though. He definitely takes plays off here and there
He's 6'4", runs a 4.4, and has a 42" vertical. Ridiculous combine numbers got Stephen Hill into the 1st round last year, and I would expect MD to be a pretty high pick as well - Round 2 sounds very reasonable. And for what it's worth, I think MD is a better receiver than Stephen Hill as well.

I was reading on a site (of course pre-combine numbers) that he is expected to get drafted in the 5-th to 6th round. I just think that sounds too low for a guy with his size. Even a guy that takes plays off and didn't have ridiculous numbers, his size alone seems like a wortyhwhile project. I mean F, we took a chance on Jerome Simpson in the damn 2nd round.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

My 1st and initial mock (subject to change 100 times)...

1st - S, Eric Reid, LSU (really really really hopes he falls to us in the 1st)
2a - DE, Alex Okafor, Texas
2b - WR, Marcus Davis, Virginia Tech
3rd - RB, Montee Ball, Wisconsin
4th - OLB, Zaviar Gooden, Missouri (6'2" / 230 / once seen 4.39 - 40)*
5th - CB, Dwayne Gratz, Connecticut
6th - OT, Jordan Mills, Louisiana Tech
7th - QB, Collin Klein, Kansas State

*Our starting SAM backer to line up on the TE's.

I know there are a lot of people who do not like Montee Ball, but I really like the guy, and if he happened to fall to the late third, which I don't think he would, he is a no brainer here in my opinion.

 

[ckhokie]

I was reading on a site (of course pre-combine numbers) that he is expected to get drafted in the 5-th to 6th round. I just think that sounds too low for a guy with his size. Even a guy that takes plays off and didn't have ridiculous numbers, his size alone seems like a wortyhwhile project. I mean F, we took a chance on Jerome Simpson in the damn 2nd round.

Skill-wise, I would say anywhere from 2nd-4th, however lately we've seen guys fly up draft boards with big combine/size/speed numbers ie: Hill, Darious Heyward-Bey, Simpson, etc. It's a throwing league now, and drafts of late are reflecting that.

 

[ckhokie]

Eric Reid did just announce that he is skipping his sr year and entering the draft

 

[Tubbs1518]

My 1st and initial mock (subject to change 100 times)...

1st - S, Eric Reid, LSU (really really really hopes he falls to us in the 1st)
2a - DE, Alex Okafor, Texas
2b - WR, Marcus Davis, Virginia Tech
3rd - RB, Montee Ball, Wisconsin
4th - OLB, Zaviar Gooden, Missouri (6'2" / 230 / once seen 4.39 - 40)*
5th - CB, Dwayne Gratz, Connecticut
6th - OT, Jordan Mills, Louisiana Tech
7th - QB, Collin Klein, Kansas State

*Our starting SAM backer to line up on the TE's.

I know there are a lot of people who do not like Montee Ball, but I really like the guy, and if he happened to fall to the late third, which I don't think he would, he is a no brainer here in my opinion.

Everything I've seen has Reid as a mid-late 2nd rounder. Would absolutely hate him in the first. He isn't worth that. Absolutely no to a WR that high. Our Young WRs have looked good lately. Give Jones and Sanu their time. Absolutely hell mo to Ball. He is horrible as are all Wisky RBs in The NFL. I would be posse as hell at that draft.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Everything I've seen has Reid as a mid-late 2nd rounder. Would absolutely hate him in the first. He isn't worth that. Absolutely no to a WR that high. Our Young WRs have looked good lately. Give Jones and Sanu their time. Absolutely hell mo to Ball. He is horrible as are all Wisky RBs in The NFL. I would be posse as hell at that draft.

Reid is the best safety in the country, so I would not be opposed to drafting him with our 32nd pick. *wink* There is a reason he is coming out and forgoing his senior season, you can't get better than ranked #1 in your position in the country.

Like I said about Davis, he is not a major need, but who knows if Sanu or Jones are going to be injury prone, maybe Green gets hurt and then we have no big dude to run down the sidelines, etc. Besides, Davis is huge, would be another good red zone threat at 6'4" and 232 pounds. A TE with WR speed is not a bad option to have.

Green
Sanu
Jones
Hawkins
Davis

Only thing that happens is Whalen will probably get cut, or Tate. I don't think it is unreasonable to add depth there, especially with a big guy since Jones and Hawkins are so little.

We are one injury to Green away from having the worst WR core in the NFL, not like it is unreasonable to add quality depth while it is cheap and available.

I know you hate Montee Ball, I don't give a flying F personally man. This is my draft idea, and I think he would be a damn good back. Put him back behind Zeitler and Andre Smith an let him run for 1200-1300 yards a year. He also has decent hands out of the backfield, is good in short yardage, is not overly fast but has good burst and agility. He could be a really good RB, especially if we ever get a chance to draft another RB to be our #1 someday, he could be a damn good backup.

Your reason for hating my draft is mentally retarded, but it is cool if you personally do not like it. Just say, would not be my draft, but I can see the reasoning.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Everything I've seen has Reid as a mid-late 2nd rounder. Would absolutely hate him in the first. He isn't worth that. Absolutely no to a WR that high. Our Young WRs have looked good lately. Give Jones and Sanu their time. Absolutely hell mo to Ball. He is horrible as are all Wisky RBs in The NFL. I would be posse as hell at that draft.

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So we can just agree to disagree. It took me all of 2 minutes to find evidence saying otherwise from what you said. First two sites I even clicked on.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Good links. The first one said he was ranked as a 2nd rounder and the 2nd link was from before this season even happened. Reid wasn't as good this year as last. And you can suck on Ball all you want. If we pick him I will be supremely pissed. He sucks. All Whiskey RBs do.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Good links. The first one said he was ranked as a 2nd rounder and the 2nd link was from before this season even happened. Reid wasn't as good this year as last. And you can suck on Ball all you want. If we pick him I will be supremely pissed. He sucks. All Whiskey RBs do.

No, the first site said he was the top ranked FS in college football and his draft slot would be 1-2, meaning late first to early 2nd round.

I have no desire for Amerson, so you can suck on him all you want, but I want a true safety, not a 1st to 2nd round project changing positions.

I can see how a RB running against Big 10 defenses, who runs for 1900 yards 1 year ago, and over 1800 yards this year with 55 rushing TD's in that time frame, with over a 5.5 average would be a huge let down in the 3rd round, and by all means, you are right, he sucks. His offensive line even had issues this year, and he still ran for 1800+ yards and 22 TD's.

Then you have a WR who is not off the charts number wise, but is physical wise in the 2nd is a no no with a ridiculously young WR like ours would be disappointing also. 6'4" / 232 pounds / 4.45 40 (even for depth by displacing Whalen) incase Green was to get hurt, so we have a big target WR. That sounds unattractive with a free 2nd round pick.

At the top of the draft we solidify our defense with a S, DE and OLB. We also add depth to our small WR core and at RB, somethign we lack quality depth in. I don't see how this is a lose situation. Maybe you do not like the players specifically, but it is not because they are not slated to go about that round, is not talented enough, etc.