2012 FA WRs

[CalamityX11]

Wait a second... for some reason I thought the Niners signed Ahmad Brooks to a contract extention in the offseason. Maybe that was a dream.

He's going to be even more important to re-sign than Rogers IMO (both will be huge though). Keep that LB corps in tact! (and get some depth on the DL).

No way, I take Rogers over Brooks.... Brooks isn't consistent nor as impactful as some make him to be... IMO

 

[Flyingiguana]

brooks shouldn't be too expensive. i don't really see an upgrade being available next year.

 

[NinerSickness]

Brooks isn't consistent nor as impactful as some make him to be... IMO

Some? Like who?

Brooks is going to be 28 next year; he's healthy & extremely athletic. He's played more disciplined than I've ever seen him this season. Rogers will be a highly desired CB; that'll cost a lot of money. I think Brooks is the better long term investment. The Niners need to keep the front 7 super strong & the DBs will fall into place. Re-sign Brooks, get another pass rushing specialist in the draft or FA, get some more depth on the DL, etc.

 

[CalamityX11]

Some? Like who?

Brooks is going to be 28 next year; he's healthy & extremely athletic. He's played more disciplined than I've ever seen him this season. Rogers will be a highly desired CB; that'll cost a lot of money. I think Brooks is the better long term investment. The Niners need to keep the front 7 super strong & the DBs will fall into place. Re-sign Brooks, get another pass rushing specialist in the draft or FA, get some more depth on the DL, etc.

Well i guess I was referring to any who would support Brooks as a pass rushing OLB over Rogers at CB...

So far Rogers has been more than spectacular for us with his INTs and Pro Bowl type coverage this season.

Brooks, while a good defensive player himself, is just not a solution at sacking the QB IMO. I thought he would be used more than a rusher(zone coverage etc..) but I've seen him rush the passer nearly everydown while its Aldon and Parys who've seen more roles at OLB(from what i've seen) so if that's the direction our defense wants to go, Brooks isn't our guy for getting to the QB(against a real team, NFCW teams don't count anymore lol)

I feel finding a very good CB(we hit a HR with Rogers(or a triple)) is harder than finding a player like Brooks IMO.

 

[deep9er]

Some? Like who?

Brooks is going to be 28 next year; he's healthy & extremely athletic. He's played more disciplined than I've ever seen him this season. Rogers will be a highly desired CB; that'll cost a lot of money. I think Brooks is the better long term investment. The Niners need to keep the front 7 super strong & the DBs will fall into place. Re-sign Brooks, get another pass rushing specialist in the draft or FA, get some more depth on the DL, etc.

wasn't Brooks just extended? if so, we'd just let him play it out and keep looking for his replacement. whats good is there's no urgency, if it presents itself great, if not Brooks is fine.

the pass rush specialist if a good possibility, like how we used Laboy.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

morgan has been our best wr over the past couple years. williams gives us a good 4th, but i doubt he can be a reliable top 2

No, he hasn't. He hasn't even been terribly close. He was our best receiver prior to his injury this year, but only because Edwards and Crabtree were dealing with injuries of their own. Once Crabtree returned, Morgan was clearly our second option at WR. It hasn't been a contest between the two since Crabtree joined the team. He's been our go-to guy at WR from day one.

I like Morgan and think we should re-sign him - a likely outcome given the injury. He's a great team guy, a ferocious blocker, and he can make some big plays. But he doesn't get open with consistency and he disappears for long stretches. He's also pretty inconsistent in terms of catching the ball, which has been Crabtree's biggest problem. Morgan has never been better than a healthy Crabtree. Arguing otherwise is either disingenuous or foolish.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

wasn't Brooks just extended? if so, we'd just let him play it out and keep looking for his replacement. whats good is there's no urgency, if it presents itself great, if not Brooks is fine.

the pass rush specialist if a good possibility, like how we used Laboy.

Brooks is a free agent this off-season.

 

[deep9er]

Brooks is a free agent this off-season.

oh ok.

then Baalke has a tough decision to make....what is his worth?

 

[Flyingiguana]

No, he hasn't. He hasn't even been terribly close. He was our best receiver prior to his injury this year, but only because Edwards and Crabtree were dealing with injuries of their own. Once Crabtree returned, Morgan was clearly our second option at WR. It hasn't been a contest between the two since Crabtree joined the team. He's been our go-to guy at WR from day one.

I like Morgan and think we should re-sign him - a likely outcome given the injury. He's a great team guy, a ferocious blocker, and he can make some big plays. But he doesn't get open with consistency and he disappears for long stretches. He's also pretty inconsistent in terms of catching the ball, which has been Crabtree's biggest problem. Morgan has never been better than a healthy Crabtree. Arguing otherwise is either disingenuous or foolish.

morgan has been more consistent than crabtree the past couple seasons. although it's like dumb and dumber. neither should be starting given their play, but someone has to

 

[NinerSickness]

WR is maybe the weakest position on the team, but I REALLY hope the Niners don't spend a 1st rounder on one this offseason. Seems like history proves over and over that a WR in the late first round for a team who needs a WR is one of the least likely picks to work out. It'd be different if the Niners were picking in the top 5 and there were an AJ Green on the board, but there won't be. The closest thing would be either Floyd or Blackmon, and Blackmon will go in the top 10.

Despite the Niners success this season (to which I attribute almost completely to Harbaugh and his staff), the strategy I hope they employ to build a SB champ hasn't changed a bit.

*Get a franchise QB (if a trade for Luck is possible trade whatever it takes)
*Trade Justin Smith & Gore
*Keep solidifying the front 7
*Get a true #1 WR, but don't reach for one. You don't want a bunch of #2's like they have now.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

morgan has been more consistent than crabtree the past couple seasons. although it's like dumb and dumber. neither should be starting given their play, but someone has to

Morgan was more consistent this year. That's it. He's been no better catching the ball, and he's been far less consistent getting open. I agree it's a relatively low bar between the two, but Crabtree is the higher of the two.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

WR is maybe the weakest position on the team, but I REALLY hope the Niners don't spend a 1st rounder on one this offseason. Seems like history proves over and over that a WR in the late first round for a team who needs a WR is one of the least likely picks to work out. It'd be different if the Niners were picking in the top 5 and there were an AJ Green on the board, but there won't be. The closest thing would be either Floyd or Blackmon, and Blackmon will go in the top 10.

Despite the Niners success this season (to which I attribute almost completely to Harbaugh and his staff), the strategy I hope they employ to build a SB champ hasn't changed a bit.

*Get a franchise QB (if a trade for Luck is possible trade whatever it takes)
*Trade Justin Smith & Gore
*Keep solidifying the front 7
*Get a true #1 WR, but don't reach for one. You don't want a bunch of #2's like they have now.

Those two seem to be in some conflict.

 

[NinerSickness]

Those two seem to be in some conflict.

Yes, I thought someone would notice that.

The thing is Justin Smith is the best 3-4 RDE in the NFL, and his value will never be higher than it is right now. And with so many other needs on the team it makes sense to treat him like a stock & sell high because he's an older player whose salary may end up exceeding his value in a couple of years.

If the Niners had a franchise QB that would be different. I'd say go into fill-the-gaps mode. But they still need work on the foundation. There are too many players who still make me extremely nervous going up against the best teams (Staley, Anthony Davis -knock on wood- Alex of course, whoever's playing RG, and the entire WR corps).

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Yes, I thought someone would notice that.

The thing is Justin Smith is the best 3-4 RDE in the NFL, and his value will never be higher than it is right now. And with so many other needs on the team it makes sense to treat him like a stock & sell high because he's an older player whose salary may end up exceeding his value in a couple of years.

If the Niners had a franchise QB that would be different. I'd say go into fill-the-gaps mode. But they still need work on the foundation. There are too many players who still make me extremely nervous going up against the best teams (Staley, Anthony Davis -knock on wood- Alex of course, whoever's playing RG, and the entire WR corps).

There's no perfect team, Sick. We have a good team right now and Smith is a huge part of that. Without him, our D is a middle-of-the-road unit. NE got more for Seymour than we are likely to get for Smith, but if you ask me, they got the short end of that deal. That team with Seymour is a super bowl favorite. Without him, they're the third or fourth team in the AFC and have been knocked out in the first round the past two years. Not to mention that Smith's impact goes beyond the playing field.

 

[CalamityX11]

WR is maybe the weakest position on the team, but I REALLY hope the Niners don't spend a 1st rounder on one this offseason. Seems like history proves over and over that a WR in the late first round for a team who needs a WR is one of the least likely picks to work out. It'd be different if the Niners were picking in the top 5 and there were an AJ Green on the board, but there won't be. The closest thing would be either Floyd or Blackmon, and Blackmon will go in the top 10.

Despite the Niners success this season (to which I attribute almost completely to Harbaugh and his staff), the strategy I hope they employ to build a SB champ hasn't changed a bit.

*Get a franchise QB (if a trade for Luck is possible trade whatever it takes)
*Trade Justin Smith & Gore
*Keep solidifying the front 7
*Get a true #1 WR, but don't reach for one. You don't want a bunch of #2's like they have now.

Why would you trade Justin Smith? His value to the defense and team is almost impossible to replace... what would be a realistic replacement? the front 7 would take a HUGE hit IMO.

We would need a Torey Smith/Ted Ginn type WR, someone quick off the line and straight up dangerous with the speed.... but can be able to catch the ball lol...

 

[CalamityX11]

Yes, I thought someone would notice that.

The thing is Justin Smith is the best 3-4 RDE in the NFL, and his value will never be higher than it is right now. And with so many other needs on the team it makes sense to treat him like a stock & sell high because he's an older player whose salary may end up exceeding his value in a couple of years.

If the Niners had a franchise QB that would be different. I'd say go into fill-the-gaps mode. But they still need work on the foundation. There are too many players who still make me extremely nervous going up against the best teams (Staley, Anthony Davis -knock on wood- Alex of course, whoever's playing RG, and the entire WR corps).

I'd be shocked if anyone would give higher than a 3rd for JSmith....

Justin Smith should stay with us and is a big part of the defense. Willis and Smith make that defense respectable and a threat to deal with for opposing offenses....

I would start throwing our first rd pick for Orakpo, Dumervil, Woodly or freaking anyone that has proven to rush the passer....

 

[NinerSickness]

I'd be shocked if anyone would give higher than a 3rd for JSmith....

A 3rd???? I think that's crazy. A bunch of teams would LOVE to have him for a first rounder. He's the best 3-4 DE in the NFL. A veteran all-pro' is worth a first rounder.

I would start throwing our first rd pick for Orakpo, Dumervil, Woodly or freaking anyone that has proven to rush the passer....

Orakpo: ouch. The Niners should have taken him in the first place back in '09. I wouldn't be oppossed to trading for him. Dumervil or Woodley? I don't know.

 

[NinerSickness]

There's no perfect team, Sick. We have a good team right now and Smith is a huge part of that. Without him, our D is a middle-of-the-road unit.

I don't agree with that.

NE got more for Seymour than we are likely to get for Smith, but if you ask me, they got the short end of that deal.

I agree that NE got the short end of the deal; I said from the beginning it was a bad trade for 'em despite almost everyone saying otherwise. But we're talking about one of the best DL to ever play the game.

 

[deep9er]

A 3rd???? I think that's crazy. A bunch of teams would LOVE to have him for a first rounder. He's the best 3-4 DE in the NFL. A veteran all-pro' is worth a first rounder.

but you want to trade him?


if we were 3-8 or even 4-7, you might have a case. cause then we're not close and couldn't maximize Smith in future SB runs.

but its not the case and even if its not this year, we need him the next. surprisingly to all, we're now on the clock.

 

[NinerSickness]

A 3rd???? I think that's crazy. A bunch of teams would LOVE to have him for a first rounder. He's the best 3-4 DE in the NFL. A veteran all-pro' is worth a first rounder.

but you want to trade him?

Yes! I still don't get what people don't understand about the concept of a trade. ANYONE in the NFL could be traded and it could still be a good deal. If a team offered their 1st & 2nd round draft picks for Tom Brady... for the next 25 years... New England would be stupid to pass. That's an outlandish example, but it illustrates the premise: trades aren't about what how good the player is. They're about accomplishing the overall goal of the maneuvering the personnel to fit the vision the GM has for winning a SB. I think the Niners would have a better chance at winning a SB under the Harbaugh regime if they traded Justin Smith than if they kept him around. Either one could work, but I would prefer trading him like the Patriots (stupidly) traded Seymour.

if we were 3-8 or even 4-7, you might have a case. cause then we're not close and couldn't maximize Smith in future SB runs.

The thing is I never believed the Niners were a SB contender. I don't care what their record is; I don't believe they have the talent to win it all.

but its not the case and even if its not this year, we need him the next. .

What they really need is a franchise QB. If they don't get one the odds of winning a 2000 Ravens-like SB are extremely small.

I had a feeling the Niners would eventually regret passing on Jake Locker. I hope that feeling is unfounded.