16-17 College/Draft Talk

[Birds4life81]

Bradford for the #14th overall pick?! Ship it!

 

[Rey]

Some early players on my Rd 1 list ... WR Mike Williams, CB Marshon Lattimore, RB Dalvin Cook, DE Derek Barnett, OT Cam Robinson

 

[old duke]

Here are several that could/should be avail @ #14:
Corey Davis
John Ross
Dalvin Cook
Cam Robinson
Ryan Ramczyk
Reuben Foster
Sidney Jones
Adoree Jackson
Tim Williams
Marshon Lattimore
Derek Barnett

I would prefer signing DJAX and Gilmore in FA, if Howie can get cap room, and then pick Davis in the 1st and the best CB in the 2nd. After watching yesterday's fiasco in the secondary, maybe signing 2 WRs in FA, and drafting best avail CBs in the first 3 rounds. I don't see how anybody in their right mind would re-sign Carroll. We should have shut out Dallas yesterday.

 

[old duke]

Correction: The Eagles will get either 14th or 15th pick, which will be decided by a coin flip at the NFL Combine. Whatever.

 

[old duke]

Matt Miller's latest Eagles mock:
1. Corey Davis, WR
2. D'Onta Foreman, RB
3. Kevin King, CB
4. Erik Magnuson, TE
4. Steven Taylor, LB
5. Nico Siragusa, G
6. Deatrich Wise, DE
7. Noble Nwachukwu, EDGE

 

[Los Eagles]

Plenty fine with me except that 1st 4th rounder TE.

 

[Northern Eagle]

I think King is a guy that will move up the boards, if he tests well he could get into the late 1st / early 2nd.

I especially like Davis because of his ability to play outside or the slot; if you want a true outside X receiver Williams is the guy, but I don't think he makes it out of the Top 10 unless he runs a really poor time.

 

[Northern Eagle]

Here are several that could/should be avail @ #14:
Corey Davis
John Ross
Dalvin Cook
Cam Robinson
Ryan Ramczyk
Reuben Foster
Sidney Jones
Adoree Jackson
Tim Williams
Marshon Lattimore
Derek Barnett

I would prefer signing DJAX and Gilmore in FA, if Howie can get cap room, and then pick Davis in the 1st and the best CB in the 2nd. After watching yesterday's fiasco in the secondary, maybe signing 2 WRs in FA, and drafting best avail CBs in the first 3 rounds. I don't see how anybody in their right mind would re-sign Carroll. We should have shut out Dallas yesterday.

I almost puked when I read a report that the Eagles are in "discussions" to re-sign Carroll - he is awful and I hope after the Dallas game they are reconsidering that idea.

I like your list Duke, but I view Williams as more of a 3-4 guy at the next level - if we're going to draft an Alabama guy at 14/15 I love Reuben Foster - great in coverage, instincts, and outstanding against the run... total package, he can shift over to WILL at the next level and not miss a beat.

 

[old duke]

Agree. I put Williams in there just based on his talent.

Totally agree n Carroll. We need all Corners replaced, with the exception of Mills, who may move to slot CB. Carroll is not even a good backup. I'm losing faith in the DB "Guru", Undlin. Why can't he coach them to turn and look for the ball?

 

[Frizzle]

No Full back Duke? We carried 4 RB this past season. We could use a Bama's Full back, a vital position in the West Coast Offense.

 

[Northern Eagle]

Agree. I put Williams in there just based on his talent.

Totally agree n Carroll. We need all Corners replaced, with the exception of Mills, who may move to slot CB. Carroll is not even a good backup. I'm losing faith in the DB "Guru", Undlin. Why can't he coach them to turn and look for the ball?

Mills would make a good slot guy, or #3 - I was impressed with his resilience as a rookie, he seldom made the same mistake twice in a game. His biggest shortcoming is something he can't really help, in that he doesn't have great long speed to keep up with the faster guys.

Good question on Undlin - I'd like to think it's because our corners really do suck that much, and have been in the league too long that they can't be coached any other way than what they already know. Hopefully when they do try to upgrade the position with new guys they find some that already have the ballhawk mentality.

I also like to think that how good your DBs are depend on the talent you have at WR, and vice-versa. When you have competent guys that you have to practice against everyday, it makes you a better and more prepared player on game day to match up against someone else. The problem is we have mostly bums on both sides of the ball.

 

[old duke]

I showed Miller's mock, not that I agree with all his picks.

The 2nd list is just some names that I think may be available @ the #14/15 pick.

I would like to see a FB, but before that, I want a very strong RB (ala Zeke Elliott) that can stay healthy (unlike Mathews), and get the tough yards, catch the ball, and fast enough to make some long gains. We gt one of those, add 2 good WR's, 2 good CB's, a pass rusher, and a solid LB'er, and we can compete next year.

 

[old duke]

My mock on First Pick.com:

Round 1 Pick 15: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (B)
Round 2 Pick 12: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (B-)
Round 3 Pick 12: Vince Biegel, OLB, Wisconsin (C+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Chad Wheeler, OT, Southern California (B)
Round 5 Pick 1: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (B+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State (B+)
Round 6 Pick 12: Jeremy Cutrer, CB, Middle Tennessee (D+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Da'Shawn Hand, DE, Alabama (B-)

 

[old duke]

2nd mock on first pick:

our Picks:
Round 1 Pick 29 (OAK): Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A)
Round 2 Pick 12: Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (B+)
Round 2 Pick 19 (T.B.): Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (B)
Round 2 Pick 29 (OAK): Isaiah Ford, WR, Virginia Tech (A-)
Round 3 Pick 12: Tyquan Lewis, DE, Ohio State (B+)
Round 3 Pick 29 (OAK): Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy (A+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming (B+)
Round 5 Pick 1: Josh Carraway, DE, TCU (B)
Round 5 Pick 12: Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State (B+)
Round 6 Pick 12: Danny Isidora, OG, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 7 Pick 12: Da'Shawn Hand, DE, Alabama (B-)

Much better.

 

[Los Eagles]

Totally agree n Carroll. We need all Corners replaced, with the exception of Mills, who may move to slot CB. Carroll is not even a good backup. I'm losing faith in the DB "Guru", Undlin. Why can't he coach them to turn and look for the ball?

I think one thing that is very difficult to teach is ball skills. Either you have them or you don't. I prefer Quincy Wilson over Teez Tabor because he is more physical. But Tabor has ball skills.

 

[old duke]

My 3rd mock on First Pick.com:

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 29 (OAK): Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A)
Round 2 Pick 16 (BALT): Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (B+)
Round 2 Pick 32 (N.E.): Curtis Samuel, WR, Ohio State (B+)
Round 3 Pick 19 (T.B.): Kevin King, CB, Washington (B)
Round 3 Pick 29 (OAK): Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame (A)
Round 3 Pick 32 (N.E.): Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson (A+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Carroll Phillips, OLB, Illinois (A-)
Round 4 Pick 16 (BALT): Bryan Cox, DE, Florida (B+)
Round 4 Pick 23 (G.B.): Chad Wheeler, OT, Southern California (B+)
Round 4 Pick 31 (NYG): Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (B+)
Round 5 Pick 1: Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss (A+)
Round 6 Pick 12: Amba Etta-Tawo, WR, Syracuse (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Da'Shawn Hand, DE, Alabama (B-)


How'd you like this?

 

[old duke]

My 4th mock on First Pick:
Round 1 Pick 31 (DAL): Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A)
Round 2 Pick 12: Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin (A)
Round 2 Pick 21 (HOU): Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma (A)
Round 2 Pick 31 (DAL): Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee (B+)
Round 3 Pick 12: Dawuane Smoot, DE, Illinois (B+)
Round 3 Pick 21 (HOU): D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (A)
Round 3 Pick 31 (DAL): Kevin King, CB, Washington (B+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Carroll Phillips, OLB, Illinois (A-)
Round 5 Pick 1: KD Cannon, WR, Baylor (A)
Round 5 Pick 12: Damontae Kazee, CB, San Diego State (A-)
Round 6 Pick 12: Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee (B+)
Round 7 Pick 19 (T.B.): Austin Rehkow, P, Idaho (A+)
Round 7 Pick 26 (ATL): Adam Griffith, K, Alabama (D+)

 

[I miss Dawkins]

I think Williams is much better than Corey. Actually worth a possible trade up. question is, how far up would we have to go, and what would we have to give up to get him?? I would give up Matthews in a trade for this, given that we have DBG. I still think we need to get Djackson.

Williams
Djackson
DBG/Agholor

That's a WR core that should be nice to work with.

How high do we see Williams going, and which teams are most likely to go after him??? I've heard some saying CHI, but have they given up on White from last year already??? He looked like an absolute BEAST himself, and very physical. Yes, they are losing Jeffrey, but does this make WR their priority??

Side question, would you give up this years 1st to get Kevin White from CHI?? No way he would be gotten last year in the 14/15th.

 

[Rey]

Mike Williams is better than Corey Davis on the jump balls ... but Davis can do more with the ball after the catch imo. I would take Williams over Davis if I had my choice, but I would not trade up for Williams if I was certain to get Davis if I stay put. The biggest question about Davis is level of competition, but it's not like he had a QB anywhere as good as Deshaun Watson throwing to him and he also did not receive as much attention as Corey Davis did on a play-by-play basis. Davis was the main guy to stop on his team ... period! Yet he still threw up dominance all year despite being the focus of the Defense every game.

 

[old duke]

Mike Williams is better than Corey Davis on the jump balls ... but Davis can do more with the ball after the catch imo. I would take Williams over Davis if I had my choice, but I would not trade up for Williams if I was certain to get Davis if I stay put. The biggest question about Davis is level of competition, but it's not like he had a QB anywhere as good as Deshaun Watson throwing to him and he also did not receive as much attention as Corey Davis did on a play-by-play basis. Davis was the main guy to stop on his team ... period! Yet he still threw up dominance all year despite being the focus of the Defense every game.

Rey, Williams is likely a top 5-10 pick,so he won't there. Davis probably will. Even if I could draft either - I still want Davis. You said it he has better YAC. I could be wrong, but I don't remember Williams breaking off a lot of long catches. It's Davis for me, no matter what.