1/18 AP Poll released

[iowajerms]

this -seeming common sense- opinion piece just in:
Lift SMU Basketball's Postseason Ban

Okay, I'm not 100% sure what is going on, so here is a few sumaries of what happened (from the article or link in article).

Crime

No, no, no. At SMU, their NCAA Tournament ban (and all the subsequent violations) center around a grand total of two people: One player, and one administrative assistant. That one player is a guy named Keith Frazier, and the violations involve one administrative assistant who did online coursework for him.

Punishment

The NCAA has banned Southern Methodist University's men's basketball team from 2016 postseason play, and it has also suspended Hall of Fame coach Larry Brown for 30% of the team's game this season due to multiple rules violations, the NCAA announced Tuesday morning. Brown was hit with a "lack of coach control" charge, and other NCAA charges against the program include academic fraud and unethical conduct.

In addition, Brown "failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance when he did not report violations and was not initially truthful during an interview with NCAA enforcement staff," the NCAA found. Brown was also hit with a two-year show-cause order, and he will be required to attend an NCAA Regional Rules seminar during each year of the show-cause period.

SMU will also lose nine scholarships over the next three years and face recruiting restrictions.
This is the third time that a program led by Brown has been sanctioned by the NCAA. The previous two: Kansas and UCLA.

 

[Texas Jefe]

Look at the Aggies.

What's the deal with Kentucky? Are they going to get better and be a force come tourney time, or are they just not as good as the past few years?

Seems like their recent history is that they get much better as they progress through the season. Still have time.

 

[iowajerms]

this -seeming common sense- opinion piece just in:
Lift SMU Basketball's Postseason Ban

Okay, I'm not 100% sure what is going on, so here is a few sumaries of what happened (from the article or link in article).

Crime

No, no, no. At SMU, their NCAA Tournament ban (and all the subsequent violations) center around a grand total of two people: One player, and one administrative assistant. That one player is a guy named Keith Frazier, and the violations involve one administrative assistant who did online coursework for him.

Punishment

The NCAA has banned Southern Methodist University's men's basketball team from 2016 postseason play, and it has also suspended Hall of Fame coach Larry Brown for 30% of the team's game this season due to multiple rules violations, the NCAA announced Tuesday morning. Brown was hit with a "lack of coach control" charge, and other NCAA charges against the program include academic fraud and unethical conduct.

In addition, Brown "failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance when he did not report violations and was not initially truthful during an interview with NCAA enforcement staff," the NCAA found. Brown was also hit with a two-year show-cause order, and he will be required to attend an NCAA Regional Rules seminar during each year of the show-cause period.

SMU will also lose nine scholarships over the next three years and face recruiting restrictions.
This is the third time that a program led by Brown has been sanctioned by the NCAA. The previous two: Kansas and UCLA.

I think it is fair, given the coach's history. I don't think 1 season postseason ban and 3 scholarships a year is the death penalty, which SMU knows about. I don't think anybody would be crying, "Lift the ban" if SMU was 14-4, or 15-3.

 

[H2S]

I think it is fair, given the coach's history. I don't think 1 season postseason ban and 3 scholarships a year is the death penalty, which SMU knows about. I don't think anybody would be crying, "Lift the ban" if SMU was 14-4, or 15-3.

I've not spent more than 10 minutes total following the Larry Brown story over the years, but...
gddammit, the NCAA sure does come across like a nasty vindictive bitch, doesn't it?
also seems the punishment here is overly harsh (it is CERTAINLY badly timed - from SMU's pov), considering the severity of the 'crime.'

I think they deserve the #1ranking just because they are unbeaten in a season where NOBODY is unbeaten. It'd be quite the story if they go unbeaten and don't go dancing...almost hope that happens - maybe circumstances will cut the NCAA down a few notches.

 

[rmilia1]

My problem with the SMU deal ( abd sorry if this has been covered ) is that UNC has far more,egregious instances of academic fraud covering a decade OR MORE and nothing, nothing, has happened to them. I mean there are past players admitting it happened. Just reeks of favoritism. In the 90's Minnesota had a similar incident and their penalty was similar so it's not that I disagree with the harshness. I'm just wondering where UNC'S 2 or 3 season postseason ban is

 

[johnson]

1 Oklahoma (65) 15-1 - 1,625
2 North Carolina 16-2 - 1,515
3 Kansas 15-2 - 1,499
4 Villanova 16-2 - 1,403
5 Xavier 16-1 - 1,321
6 West Virginia 15-2 - 1,278
7 Maryland 16-2 - 1,259
8 SMU 17-0 - 1,179
9 Iowa 14-3 - 1,167
10 Texas A&M 15-2 - 994
11 Michigan State 16-3 - 950
12 Arizona 15-3 - 801
13 Virginia 13-4 - 649
13 Baylor 14-3 - 649
15 Miami (FL) 13-3 - 645
16 Providence 15-3 - 609
17 Louisville 14-3 - 608
18 Butler 13-4 - 439
19 Iowa State 13-4 - 411
20 Duke 14-4 - 375
21 USC 15-3 - 338
22 Purdue 15-3 - 322
23 Kentucky 13-4 - 276
24 South Carolina 16-1 - 252
25 Indiana 15-3 - 210

Others receiving votes: Pittsburgh 184, Clemson 53, Wichita St 38, Valparaiso 30, Notre Dame 14, Dayton 9, Saint Mary's 8, Gonzaga 5, Utah 3, Hawaii 3, Arkansas-Little Rock 1, Monmouth 1, Navy 1, Oregon 1

Dropped from rankings: Pittsburgh 20, Gonzaga 25

How many games would Duke have to lose to drop out of the rankings? 10? 12?

 

[fordman84]

So, SMU isn't in the Coaches Poll because they can't dance? Is that what's happening? I just noticed that they are top 10 in AP and unranked in the other, so I'm assuming that's the case.

Sorry if this has been addressed somewhere.

Si, they are in trouble. Sucks because they have a great stadium, fans, and team.

 

[fordman84]

My problem with the SMU deal ( abd sorry if this has been covered ) is that UNC has far more,egregious instances of academic fraud covering a decade OR MORE and nothing, nothing, has happened to them. I mean there are past players admitting it happened. Just reeks of favoritism. In the 90's Minnesota had a similar incident and their penalty was similar so it's not that I disagree with the harshness. I'm just wondering where UNC'S 2 or 3 season postseason ban is

I honestly believe because it is SMU. If it were any other school, probably wouldn't have been as tough on them.

 

[rmilia1]

I honestly believe because it is SMU. If it were any other school, probably wouldn't have been as tough on them.

You think the carry over from the Pony Express combined with Brown being the head coach equals too harsh a penalty? I could see that

 

[fordman84]

You think the carry over from the Pony Express combined with Brown being the head coach equals too harsh a penalty? I could see that

You woudl think after the way they destroyed SMU athletics, the NCAA would go light on them. Apparently not

 

[The Derski]

How many games would Duke have to lose to drop out of the rankings? 10? 12?

They lost this week so they will probably unranked next week. They've lost three in a row, all to unranked teams.

 

[CatsTopPac]

I think there's two problems concerning the SMU situation:

1) The NCAA is inconsistent in their handing down of punishments which forces everyone to question the sanctions, regardless of the infractions (if only compared to other situations).

2) Larry Brown has fucked up a few times and SMU is taking the hit for his 3rd strike. But, they did hire him so at some point they should have known that if he did fuck up at SMU that they were going to get hit hard.

 

[iowajerms]

My problem with the SMU deal ( abd sorry if this has been covered ) is that UNC has far more,egregious instances of academic fraud covering a decade OR MORE and nothing, nothing, has happened to them. I mean there are past players admitting it happened. Just reeks of favoritism. In the 90's Minnesota had a similar incident and their penalty was similar so it's not that I disagree with the harshness. I'm just wondering where UNC'S 2 or 3 season postseason ban is

So, what should they call the crime of an administrative assistant doing an online class for a basketball player? It sounds like academic fraud to me.

]What should be the penalty for 1 instance of academic fraud? I think 1 year post-season ban, coach suspended for 1/3 of the season, and 9 scholarships over 3 years is not harsh.

 

[rmilia1]

So, what should they call the crime of an administrative assistant doing an online class for a basketball player? It sounds like academic fraud to me.

]What should be the penalty for 1 instance of academic fraud? I think 1 year post-season ban, coach suspended for 1/3 of the season, and 9 scholarships over 3 years is not harsh.

I don't disagree. As I said I'm just wondering why it's taken 5 or 6 years abd they still have done nothing to UNC BB despite already punishing UNC FB and despite more evidence covering more time and more instances than SMU