LeBron needs more help

[trojanfan12]

why would you give up an asset BEFORE the trade-deadline for nothing?

That's not what he said and you know it. He said that a non-contending team would be willing to dump $5 million in salary to the Cavs by dealing a veteran guard. The use of the word dealing implies that they aren't giving the player away for nothing.

I've warned you about this shit.

 

[bksballer89]

That's not what he said and you know it. He said that a non-contending team would be willing to dump $5 million in salary to the Cavs by dealing a veteran guard. The use of the word dealing implies that they aren't giving the player away for nothing.

I've warned you about this shit.

Yep dude is a tool. T-Lance is a class act poster so when you see him getting frustrated with Wiggy, you know it's bad

 

[trojanfan12]

Yep dude is a tool. T-Lance is a class act poster so when you see him getting frustrated with Wiggy, you know it's bad

I can't think of a poster on here that he hasn't had a problem with at one time or another. Even Mecca doesn't stick up for him anymore.

 

[WiggyRuss]

That's not what he said and you know it. He said that a non-contending team would be willing to dump $5 million in salary to the Cavs by dealing a veteran guard. The use of the word dealing implies that they aren't giving the player away for nothing.

I've warned you about this shit.

oh if he meant MORE than just "dumping" the players salary sure-------when he uses the word DUMPING- to me that says Just giving him away for his contract---- no one is just giving a guy away for his contract long before the trade deadline- i of course agree with that- thats common sense.

i mean- right now- no team in their right mind would just dump a guy long before the trade deadline even comes about

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[Pastafazul]

Yep dude is a tool. T-Lance is a class act poster so when you see him getting frustrated with Wiggy, you know it's bad

have not read all posts , just had to read this 1 2 see the bullshoot that goes on here, wiggy is cool, u guys who are probably the same poster with multiple alias aint!...

wiggy, i got your back man, don't get me started... did i tell you guys multiple clipboards cracked over my head , if i f 'ed up in practice, we talkin practice, practice man, practice, we talkin practice.....

 

[WiggyRuss]

That's not what he said and you know it. He said that a non-contending team would be willing to dump $5 million in salary to the Cavs by dealing a veteran guard. The use of the word dealing implies that they aren't giving the player away for nothing.

I've warned you about this shit.

I mean i agree with you--- there is no team that is just dumping a point guard thats worth playing out there without getting something back in return more than just cap relief.

 

[trojanfan12]

oh if he meant MORE than just "dumping" the players salary sure-------when he uses the word DUMPING- to me that says Just giving him away for his contract---- no one is just giving a guy away for his contract long before the trade deadline- i of course agree with that- thats common sense.

i mean- right now- no team in their right mind would just dump a guy long before the trade deadline even comes about

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I think you focused on the wrong word then. The team giving up the player would be making the trade to get rid of the contract. So, they'd be "dumping" the contract. But they'd be getting something in return, which is why the word "dealing" was used.

 

[tlance]

I think you focused on the wrong word then. The team giving up the player would be making the trade to get rid of the contract. So, they'd be "dumping" contract. But they'd be getting something in return, which is why the word "dealing" was used.

The whole point is that in typical Wiggy fashion, he made about a half dozen assumptions about what I said and then flew off the handle. Ridiculous behavior for a grown man.

 

[larryjohn]

I think you focused on the wrong word then. The team giving up the player would be making the trade to get rid of the contract. So, they'd be "dumping" contract. But they'd be getting something in return, which is why the word "dealing" was used.

I think Griffin is just waiting for the best deal. I'd expect something by the trading deadline -- he would be rolling the dice not to make a move by the trade deadline and depend upon a solid player being dropped.

I think they need another big just as much as a backup PG. They have bench guys who can play PG. After Frye -- they have zero big guys. (I wouldn't call James Jones a big guy.)

I think they need a couple of players -- not for the playoffs -- but to use up minutes in the regular season.

 

[WiggyRuss]

The whole point is that in typical Wiggy fashion, he made about a half dozen assumptions about what I said and then flew off the handle. Ridiculous behavior for a grown man.

so just for the record- I assumed you thought the Cavs could already have a point guard if they JUST used their trade exception --that teams were willing to just dump a vet. point guard long before the trade deadline--

---- while what you really meant was that they could have one if they used their trade exception AND gave up assets and the only reason they arent doing it is becuase of the expense?

if thats all it was I TOTALLY AGREE with you- no one is giving up a vet. point guard long before the trade deadline just for a trade exception without getting SOMETHING- for me to assume you meant that was wrong. I shoudlnt have thought you would have thought something so illogical.

 

[bksballer89]

so just for the record- I assumed you thought the Cavs could already have a point guard if they JUST used their trade exception --that teams were willing to just dump a vet. point guard long before the trade deadline--

---- while what you really meant was that they could have one if they used their trade exception AND gave up assets and the only reason they arent doing it is becuase of the expense?

Do you not know what it means when you're on ignore? I don't think you do. Quoting T-Lance makes no sense because he can't see anything you're writing

 

[WiggyRuss]

The Cavs Are So Desperate For Point Guard Help That They Called The Sixers, Who Said No

Cavs have tried to get Nelson, Mack, TJ McConnell- but havent been able to get anything done. None of those teams are just gonna give those guys away for a trade exception unfortunately.

 

[Mecca]

I can't think of a poster on here that he hasn't had a problem with at one time or another. Even Mecca doesn't stick up for him anymore.

When it comes to his arguments with @tlance , his vendetta takes precedence over what's actually being debated.

Sometimes you just gotta.....

 

[SJ76]

Seems like it happens once a year.




that said.. Did the Cavs not think letting Dellavadoober walk would be an issue? He was a spark for them off the bench behind Kyrie.

Now I must admit.. I haven't watched alot of NBA this year. Have a hard time getting into it before the AS break. This super team thing is just kind of boring.

 

[WiggyRuss]

just looking at point guards that may be avaliable across the league on teams that are out of it- and the list is somewhere between "extremely short" and "non existent"

the guys the Cavs have already looked at are Jameer Nelson, Shelvin Mack and Tj McConnel....no one is just getting rid of these guys for just cap relief.

Who else is even out there? Orlando is trying to trade FOR a point guard- i cant see them getting rid of CJ Watson-- who wouldnt be a bad option. The Kings do have Ty Lawson in a reserve role- but they are trying to make the playoffs in that 8th spot in the West. Deron Williams on the Mavs is another one.

When you ACTUALLY take the time to look at viable options of guys the Cavs could try and get- you can plainly see there just isnt much if anything out there

ESPECIALLY before the trade deadline.

all these guys, Watson, Williams, Lawson, Nelson, Mack, Foye on the Nets--- a lot of these teams are having problems even getting to the minimum salary. --- like the Nuggets who have done some complex manuevering with Mo Williams' contract.

Its basically impossible to make a deal for a point guard right now as A. no one is looking to shed salary- in FACT - certain teams are looking to ADD salary to get to the salary floor. and B. So many teams are still in the running for a playoff spot and arent going to just give away talent. C. the Cavs just dont have much to give up-- outside of Cedi Osman who they dont want to deal as they want him to come over and play for them next year- itd be a waste to get rid of him for a guy who will likely not even get off the bench in the playoffs- when Osman might be a very intriguing young player for the Cavs to develop over the next couple years.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Seems like it happens once a year.




that said.. Did the Cavs not think letting Dellavadoober walk would be an issue? He was a spark for them off the bench behind Kyrie.

Now I must admit.. I haven't watched alot of NBA this year. Have a hard time getting into it before the AS break. This super team thing is just kind of boring.

well- at the time they thought Mo Williams would be back and avaliable to play.

if they didnt think Mo would be back they would have definitely "stretched" his contract before the year even started and looked to replace him.

Mo did do a helluva job filing in for Kyrie at the beginning of last year.

Delly would have been nice to bring back for the regular season- but its hard to justify giving a guy 10+ million a year when he wasnt even playing in the NBA Finals or by the endof the playoffs...

and you can see how a lot of his efficiency has nose-dived this year that he isnt the same guy not playing with Bron Bron.

 

[WiggyRuss]

its just lucky that Kyrie is playing as great as he has- absent a little floundering hte last couple weeks.

Kyrie right now is at career highs in fg% at over 47% (which is freaking EXCELLENT for a pg- that shoots so many 3's- its pretty unbelievable actually), 41% from 3 (which is really close to a career high), 89.4% from the line...career high of 24.6 ppg too....

think of that---- Kyrie isnt quite at the Nashian- 50/40/90.....but 47/41/89 is PRETTY damn close.

you can definitely see how Kyrie has continued to develop and mature into an IDEAL running mate with LeBron. They have worked very hard to get their games to compliment eachothers as well as they have.

 

[WiggyRuss]

hopefully by the time the trade deadline comes around some of these backup veteran PG's are available because right now- there is absolutely NOTHING available for the Cavs to move on......

 

[larryjohn]

Seems like it happens once a year

that said.. Did the Cavs not think letting Dellavadoober walk would be an issue? He was a spark for them off the bench behind Kyrie.

Now I must admit.. I haven't watched alot of NBA this year. Have a hard time getting into it before the AS break. This super team thing is just kind of boring.

I'm sure the Cavs understood that losing Delly would really hurt their depth. (made worse by MoWill) The alternative was for Cavs to spend $38M on Delly. It was too much.

 

[SJ76]

I'm sure the Cavs understood that losing Delly would really hurt their depth. (made worse by MoWill) The alternative was for Cavs to spend $38M on Delly. It was too much.

Or get a young PG from via FA or trade. Bulls found Jerian Grant and MCW. Playing behind Kyrie everyday and guarding him in practice would make most PGs better.