Holy Moly! Give it a REST!!!

[skinsdad62]

2017 NFL Free Agents Tracker

here is a list for you , perhaps you can use this

 

[redskinsfan]

No the reasons I listed are bad reasons for resigning somebody. You just dont see them as such. Which is fine you're entitled to your opinion, however shitty. But lets walk through that.

- breaking franchise records - So? You reached an arbitrary statistical point in an era DESIGNED for you to do so on an offense aimed to HELP you do so. Theres nothing wrong with breaking franchise records of course - Kirk should be proud. But they arent a reason to commit longterm money to a guy.

- being the best guy we've had in a long time - this is the ex who beat you example which you yourself admitted was a bad reason to marry somebody. Just because RG3 and John Beck and Donovan McNabb abused us doesnt mean we should re-sign Kirk just because he DOESNT abuse us. This (I would hope) should be pretty clear to you. Clearly this is not a good reason to commit longterm money to somebody.

- that we suck at drafting QBs - Once again - so? To say we suck at drafting QBs has several problems. 1. Its a ridiculously small sample size and 2. Its not the same front office! Danny and Vinny's inability to scout players has nothing to do with SMGMs ability to. So once again this is a bad reason to commit long term money to somebody.

- that we'll be worse if we let him go/need to replace him with somebody - Ive explained this in several posts and most people seem to get where Im coming from even if they dont agree. So - if Kirk is not good enough to be our starter and we CANT win a Super Bowl with him then we would need to move on (Note I am not at all saying this is the case). There would be no point in committing long term money to the guy so it wouldnt matter if a replacement was worse because they would just be a cheap fill in until we find somebody who IS good enough. So another bad reason to make a huge long term commitment.

- that he doesnt have enough help on offense - This one is just ridiculous. He has an amazing group of pass catchers, a solid oline, and a running game that averages 4.5 ypc. The running game could be better, but to argue he NEEDS it to be better basically means you need Kirk to be put in the PERFECT situation where he is carried by everybody else. Im not committing long term money to somebody if they need a perfect situation to be successful.

- that its only his second year as a starter - He has 41 career starts has played in 46 games and will be 29 by the start of next season. We dont know if he will develop any further. We need to be comfortable commiting the money to the guy we have now NOT to the guy we HOPE he'll be if he gets a few more starts. So to say hes worth it because hes only been a starter for 2 years is a bad reason to commit long term money to a guy.

Now Ive been waiting for literally ANY arguments against these points from you for god knows how many posts. You have provided nothing. AKA you're talking out your ass as usual. But please - Im still waiting on an actual response so we can have a debate rather than the crap youve been spewing the last 2 days about god knows what and all sorts of unrelated things.

And Id stay away from the whole book topic. Im not sure those are safe for you to try and read, bud.

Mr./Ms. Split -- and Stymie (aka RG3 / Matt McGloin / Tom Savage apololgist)

Let me briefly respond to a list of supposed "negatives".

I'll preface what I'll say be noting you're committing the logical fallacy of addressing each of the points seriatim without realizing that each is one piece of a larger mosaic that paints a completely different picture than its separate parts. This is nothing different than a criminal defendant pleading for an acquittal on grounds that a Google search on a computer he used about "how to dissolve a body in a well with lyme" could've been inputted by another person. If that were the ONLY piece of evidence the prosecution had in a case where he was accused of killing a victim, dumping his body in a well and dissolving it with lyme, he'd have a point. But if there's also proof that he purchased lyme two hours before a victim was killed, he was in the area where the victim's body was dumped in a well, there were lyme deposits on his hand, and he had a vendetta against the victim, there's a very different picture pained by the totality of what otherwise would be singular facts.

With that in mind, let's deconstruct your lame points.

1. Breaking franchise records. This isn't the first time he broke a franchise record. It's, in fact, the second consecutive time he did so. And this time around, he threw for nearly 5,000 yards, a feat accomplished by only five quarterbacks in league history.

2. We suck at drafting QBs. You can replace "we" with most GMs. The history of hitting on franchise QBs, if you didn't know already, is abhorrently low. And because you agreed with Mike Jones that Kirk is a franchise QB, you'd actually turn this historical convention on its head by commissioning our GM to do something history has taught us we can't.

3. Kirk's replacement. See point two above. You already conceded he's a franchise QB, yet you, in your estimable wisdom, would let him walk. When you have a franchise QB, you hold onto him at all costs and then build around him. This is so utterly moronic that I feel dumb even addressing it. More importantly, you can't name one replacement for him. ZERO.

4. The running game. Yeah, Mr./Ms. Split and Sytmie, we've got a great running game. This is also too stupid to respond to. Those statistics are, to put it mildly, grossly misleading. They account for yards racked up in a few games where our running game did work and where those yards came after we ran out to leads and used the running game to milk the clock. And, if you've been paying any attention, a lot of them also came on huge runs to end the game. What happened when the game was in the balance? Usually zippy from our RBs. And when Matt Jones was the guy with the ball, he had a mad penchant for fumbling it away.

5. This is his second year as a starter. That's actually true. What's his age got to do with it? He's still very young and has very little mileage because of it. Despite his lack of time as a starter, he's put together two record-breaking, Pro-Bowl worthy seasons during those two years.

To wrap your absurd points up, when you put together the fact you've got (1) a two-time franchise record setting QB, (2) a franchise QB, even by your own admission, (3) the horrendous record by most teams in terms of drafting franchise QBs, (4) no one who can replace our franchise QB, (5) the lack of any running game, and (6) a franchise QB who is still young and learning, the pieces that comprise this overall picture undisputably foreclose your idiotic view on Kirk.

In reality, I didn't have to go any further than your admission that he's a franchise QB. That alone should've torpedoed your lame points from the get-go.

But let's not stop there: how about the fact that Kirk had no defense? How many times did the opposing team take the opening kickoff and drive it right down our throats for a TD? This puts Kirk and the offense in the position of having to score immediately. If they don't and that same team gets the ball back, we're probably down two scores. Funny how you didn't mention this.

Also, no reputable pundit either inside or outside the DMV even remotely agrees with what you're saying. All you've got are wild-eyed idiots like Stymie who "like" your posts and are ones who peg Tom Savage as a replacement for Kirk.

But this proves too much. Once you agreed that he was a franchise QB, all your other points are moronic.

Have a good time watching Split. Sir. Ma'am.

 

[redskinsfan]

A very nice response to all of those points. I understand that there is the whole "we've been drowning and anything that seems reasonable will do" position that a lot of folks here have. It is nice not to have to worry about the QB position because we have taken this step to go beyond anything that we've had in a while.

I honestly believe that what you have outlined here are exactly the points that the organization has properly avoided when making their contractual considerations.

The only other "problem" that some here have presented is...."Name the replacement?" which is a rather damning question towards our GM and his team. It is possible that the replacement has already been named in Sudfield, Who the hell knows? Maybe they have targeted someone in free agency (who's more the Russell Wilson type ) that will totally piss off a lot of folks here because that person is not as known and loved as Kirk. It is also possible that they have a target in the draft that their scouts have assured them is already better than what we have with and without Kirk. That too would flare a bunch of nostris here.

Could it also be as I've suggested that Kirk stays here refranchised AND they make moves to replace him? All of those things are possible as is resigning Kirk to a contract that everyone can live with. I just can't get with this either or mentality where Kirk is either resigned or the team faces some sort of dire drastic setback. There are other realistic ways to sign or not sign him and barely miss a beat.

This is unbelievably moronic. Your buddy already agreed Kirk is a franchise QB. How anyone in their right mind would take steps to replace someone like that is unspeakably idiotic.

But just for some giggles, let's hear your estimation of the probability that we can get a replacement that's better than Kirk, who, again, is a franchise Qb.

Love to hear it.

 

[redskinsfan]

Ok tyrod taylor, Jay cutler, tony romo, whoever cheap. I don't even know whose available at qb this offseason. Doesn't matter to me. I don't want us to do that anyways.

I listed those reasons because shark asked me to list the reasons that I thought were bad reasons to resign him.

Ok, here we go with Mr. / Ms. Split. "Yes, I want to keep him, but I can spit out a lot of bad reasons to send him packing."

What?!

Oh, he doesn't know who the available pool of replacements are? How about that for asserting an informed opinion. And all three he named are under contract. If we wanted to get them, we'd have to pull of a trade unless they got cut, which is no certainty.

My God.

 

[redskinsfan]

2017 NFL Free Agents Tracker

here is a list for you , perhaps you can use this

The fact that you had to send him this list ought to tell you that he hasn't given this issue any thought at all.

 

[redskinsfan]

well you seem to be making the case for dumping him . In fact one of your reasons for not resigning him is that thinking we cant get anybody better isnt reason enough

so stop dodging put a name or two out there i have put names out there and i am in the same boat you say you are in

i wasnt afraid to make the case against my position with names

Exactly. Hence, the moniker Mr. / Ms. Split.

 

[redskinsfan]

Wait! What? Luck's winning percentage isn't that much better than Cuz's?

Luck - reg season games started 70/ reg season W/L record 43-27 = 61.42% win %
Cuz - reg season games started 41/ reg season W/L record 19-21-1 = 48.78% win% (Note: I added Cuz's tie as a win cuz I like him.)

61.42% vs 48.78% is not a significant difference to you?

How bout like this then?
For a 16 game season a 48.78% winning percentage gets you approx 7.8 wins
For a 16 game season a 61.42% winning percentage gets you approx 9.8 wins

Regarding the playoff record

Kirk not only lost his first playoff game. He also lost a game that for all intents and purposes was as important as a playoff game, at least to the Skins. To a team that had nothing to play for except the satisfaction of ending the Skins season.

Luck in playoffs - 3-3 .500
Kirk in playoffs and playoff play in game 0-2 .000

Luck 2015 reg season record - 2-5 28.5% winning % - Luck's 2nd victory and last game in 2015 came against the eventual Super Bowl Champs, Denver Broncos. Luck would suffer a lacerated kidney and a partially torn abdominal muscle in this game to end his season.

Cuz 2015 reg season record - 9-7 56,2% winning% No good reason, I'm just throwing this out there. The Skins would play the NFC's Super Bowl representative that season. The game was ovver at halftime as the Panthers took a 31-14 lead into the locker room and the final score ended up 44-16.

Luck 2016 reg season record (Note: he missed one game in 2016) 8-7 53.3% winning %
Cuz 2016 reg season record (Note: no counting of ties as a win here) 8-7-1 53.1% winning%

Other interesting, at least to me, stats of 2016
The Skin had 383 points scored against them in 2016
The Colts had 392 points scored against them in 2016

That high octane Skins off lead by uber-impressive stat compiler, Kirk "Top 5 QB" Cousins scored 396 points in 2016.

The Colts offense, which was not on par with any aspect of the Skins offense in a unit by unit comparison.......sans 1 scored 411 points in 2016.

So, which would you rather have?

This
Cuz - 25 TDs/12 INTs 4.1% TD ratio/2.0% INT ratio 396 points scored in 2016

or

That
Luck - 31 TDs/13 INTs 5.7% TD ratio/2.4% INT ratio 411 points scored in 2016

You were saying something about metrics earlier I believe.

Do you agree, as ehb did, with Mike Jones' view that Cuz is a franchise QB? If so, that ends this analysis and we proceed to long-term contract.

 

[Stymietee]

This is unbelievably moronic. Your buddy already agreed Kirk is a franchise QB. How anyone in their right mind would take steps to replace someone like that is unspeakably idiotic.

But just for some giggles, let's hear your estimation of the probability that we can get a replacement that's better than Kirk, who, again, is a franchise Qb.

Love to hear it.[ Quote]

That's your opinion that he is a franchise QB and I respect that, I happen to believe that he is a very good QB operating in a system that makes him what he is. All I ask in return is the same respect for my opinion.

In response to what I believe the probability is, well, if Scott is using the Seattle model in which to rebuild then I'd say that the odds go way up to 90% or greater because he would be also looking for a Russell Wilson type just as he seems to be getting guys who favor Marshawn Lynch. (answer to you question)

The interesting thing about that concern is that we were looking for better when we got Kirk and that other guy! It is takes no stretch of the imagination to reason that Kirk cannot be the only guy on the planet to play as well in this system as he does. To me the issue is not related to Kirk at all, but in the confidence in this organization to have in place a plan that works. Whether or not that plan includes Kirk remains to be seen.

BTW: this is how someone "in their right mind" would take steps to replace someone like that:

1. The player himself wants out and takes steps to make that happen.

2. The organization is NOT as convinced as you seem to be and also takes steps.

3. The GM who has publicly stated that he absolutely will not overpay ANY player at the expense of the team, is ACTUALLY telling the truth.

4. As insurance in the event of season or career ending injury to their investment and subsequently to the team build project.

I'm sure that you have countering arguments as to why my list is blah blah blah....but again my opinion respect is all I ask. BTW: who's my buddy?

 

[redskinsfan]

That Kirk is a franchise QB is not MY opinion. It's also Mike Jones. And, by agreeing with his assessment of Kirk, it's also ehb's. Seems like you're the odd man out here.

Also, Wilson -- like Brady and Cousins -- is a rare exception to a rule in terms of finding a franchise QB outside of the first round. And, like I said before, even if you find one in the first round, history doesn't speak well for even those QBs. RGIII ring a bell?

The issue here isn't about what Scot's plans are. It's whether Kirk is worth keeping, which is precisely the issue ehb was attempting to address. If they jettison Kirk, it may be for reasons completely unrelated to his worth as a QB, as explained by an article authored by Chuck Sapienza back in September last year.

And for the life of most everyone here, neither you nor ehb can identify who might even come close to replacing Kirk.

 

[Stymietee]

OK, I'm going to need a ruling for the mods here, If another poster fails to read anything that preceded someone else's posting and has zero basis upon which the latter's offering was given. Is that grounds for 2 minutes in the penalty box?

 

[Breed]

Some of your measurable are opinion and not fact. There is no way to measure leadership qualities. You can say Luck is a better QB in your opinion but nothing in the past two years supports that. You also didn't factor in the fact that Luck plays in one of the worst divisions in the AFC. Of course the same could be said of the Redskins last year, not this year. Not sure where you are getting your Cousins is not a good leader from because several of his teammates just came out and said he was a leader on the team and that they hope he is still there in the future. Actually they said they didn't expect he was going to be going anywhere.

I support you right to have an opinion, I just don't support it as fact. I am not claiming one is better than the other, I am just stating fact.

He's bigger, stronger, faster, better arm, more experience, has never played on a team that averaged more than 108 yards rushinhg a game, In his 6 years the Colts def finished better than 20th once, they were 11th that year. Their 2015 and 2016 def is comparable in every stat to the Skins the last 2 years.

FACT : Had better nreg season W/L winning % than Kirk Cousins in 2016
FACT: Threw more TD passes than KC in 2016
FACT: Lead Colts, who are a worse offnesive team in every aspect imo to more points 411 than KC did for the Skins 396 in 2016

And I said KC's leadership was called into question by some, a few who frequent the board and based that on the shitty, non-purposeful way the Skins played over the last few weeks of the season. Common sense was all that was needed to see it was true. Neithetr Kirk or anyone lese showed leadership. He's the one who's supposed to be the man though. The one having such a great season. His leadership was a lot like his play, uninspired, not good, having no urgency. Scoring a total of 25 points in thos egames closing out with a whimpler for sure not a bang.

Course if you wanna believe his team mates as opposed to what you actually saw. I support your right and silliness to do so.

 

[ehb5]

Mr./Ms. Split -- and Stymie (aka RG3 / Matt McGloin / Tom Savage apololgist)

Let me briefly respond to a list of supposed "negatives".

I'll preface what I'll say be noting you're committing the logical fallacy of addressing each of the points seriatim without realizing that each is one piece of a larger mosaic that paints a completely different picture than its separate parts. This is nothing different than a criminal defendant pleading for an acquittal on grounds that a Google search on a computer he used about "how to dissolve a body in a well with lyme" could've been inputted by another person. If that were the ONLY piece of evidence the prosecution had in a case where he was accused of killing a victim, dumping his body in a well and dissolving it with lyme, he'd have a point. But if there's also proof that he purchased lyme two hours before a victim was killed, he was in the area where the victim's body was dumped in a well, there were lyme deposits on his hand, and he had a vendetta against the victim, there's a very different picture pained by the totality of what otherwise would be singular facts.

With that in mind, let's deconstruct your lame points.

1. Breaking franchise records. This isn't the first time he broke a franchise record. It's, in fact, the second consecutive time he did so. And this time around, he threw for nearly 5,000 yards, a feat accomplished by only five quarterbacks in league history.

2. We suck at drafting QBs. You can replace "we" with most GMs. The history of hitting on franchise QBs, if you didn't know already, is abhorrently low. And because you agreed with Mike Jones that Kirk is a franchise QB, you'd actually turn this historical convention on its head by commissioning our GM to do something history has taught us we can't.

3. Kirk's replacement. See point two above. You already conceded he's a franchise QB, yet you, in your estimable wisdom, would let him walk. When you have a franchise QB, you hold onto him at all costs and then build around him. This is so utterly moronic that I feel dumb even addressing it. More importantly, you can't name one replacement for him. ZERO.

4. The running game. Yeah, Mr./Ms. Split and Sytmie, we've got a great running game. This is also too stupid to respond to. Those statistics are, to put it mildly, grossly misleading. They account for yards racked up in a few games where our running game did work and where those yards came after we ran out to leads and used the running game to milk the clock. And, if you've been paying any attention, a lot of them also came on huge runs to end the game. What happened when the game was in the balance? Usually zippy from our RBs. And when Matt Jones was the guy with the ball, he had a mad penchant for fumbling it away.

5. This is his second year as a starter. That's actually true. What's his age got to do with it? He's still very young and has very little mileage because of it. Despite his lack of time as a starter, he's put together two record-breaking, Pro-Bowl worthy seasons during those two years.

To wrap your absurd points up, when you put together the fact you've got (1) a two-time franchise record setting QB, (2) a franchise QB, even by your own admission, (3) the horrendous record by most teams in terms of drafting franchise QBs, (4) no one who can replace our franchise QB, (5) the lack of any running game, and (6) a franchise QB who is still young and learning, the pieces that comprise this overall picture undisputably foreclose your idiotic view on Kirk.

In reality, I didn't have to go any further than your admission that he's a franchise QB. That alone should've torpedoed your lame points from the get-go.

But let's not stop there: how about the fact that Kirk had no defense? How many times did the opposing team take the opening kickoff and drive it right down our throats for a TD? This puts Kirk and the offense in the position of having to score immediately. If they don't and that same team gets the ball back, we're probably down two scores. Funny how you didn't mention this.

Also, no reputable pundit either inside or outside the DMV even remotely agrees with what you're saying. All you've got are wild-eyed idiots like Stymie who "like" your posts and are ones who peg Tom Savage as a replacement for Kirk.

But this proves too much. Once you agreed that he was a franchise QB, all your other points are moronic.

Have a good time watching Split. Sir. Ma'am.

Dear god this might be the stupidest post I've ever read on this site. Unfortunately I'll be busy for a while and can show you all the fun ways you went wrong a little later.

 

[ehb5]

This is unbelievably moronic. Your buddy already agreed Kirk is a franchise QB. How anyone in their right mind would take steps to replace someone like that is unspeakably idiotic.

But just for some giggles, let's hear your estimation of the probability that we can get a replacement that's better than Kirk, who, again, is a franchise Qb.

Love to hear it.

Classy as always

 

[redskinsfan]

Dear god this might be the stupidest post I've ever read on this site. Unfortunately I'll be busy for a while and can show you all the fun ways you went wrong a little later.

Oh, I'd love to hear it. I guess you're going to your English teacher to help you compose a rebuttal.

Is one of those "fun" ways going to be backing out of your agreement that Kirk was a franchise QB?

Oh fun, fun, fun . . .

 

[ehb5]

OK, I'm going to need a ruling for the mods here, If another poster fails to read anything that preceded someone else's posting and has zero basis upon which the latter's offering was given. Is that grounds for 2 minutes in the penalty box?

I would never want him banned just because he amuses me more than annoys me but you've got a good point. He so aggressively jumps into conversations with people while clearly 1. Not capable of understanding what they wrote and 2. Not having read anything preceding those posts to understand any context. I disagree with people on this site all the time, but they are all respectful, rational, and intelligent posters who ienjoy debating even if things get testy from time to time. I have no respect for this guy on the other hand. I've had him jump down my throat for things I never said far too many times to have even the slightest bit of respect for him. But he is entertaining lol.

 

[redskinsfan]

I would never want him banned just because he amuses me more than annoys me but you've got a good point. He so aggressively jumps into conversations with people while clearly 1. Not capable of understanding what they wrote and 2. Not having read anything preceding those posts to understand any context. I disagree with people on this site all the time, but they are all respectful, rational, and intelligent posters who ienjoy debating even if things get testy from time to time. I have no respect for this guy on the other hand. I've had him jump down my throat for things I never said far too many times to have even the slightest bit of respect for him. But he is entertaining lol.

You sure he isn't talking about you?

And here's something while you ponder my prior post, from dad, who echoed my points very well.

well you seem to be making the case for dumping him . In fact one of your reasons for not resigning him is that thinking we cant get anybody better isnt reason enough

so stop dodging put a name or two out there i have put names out there and i am in the same boat you say you are in

i wasnt afraid to make the case against my position with names

 

[Stymietee]

That Kirk is a franchise QB is not MY opinion. It's also Mike Jones. And, by agreeing with his assessment of Kirk, it's also ehb's. Seems like you're the odd man out here.

Also, Wilson -- like Brady and Cousins -- is a rare exception to a rule in terms of finding a franchise QB outside of the first round. And, like I said before, even if you find one in the first round, history doesn't speak well for even those QBs. RGIII ring a bell?

The issue here isn't about what Scot's plans are. It's whether Kirk is worth keeping, which is precisely the issue ehb was attempting to address. If they jettison Kirk, it may be for reasons completely unrelated to his worth as a QB, as explained by an article authored by Chuck Sapienza back in September last year.

And for the life of most everyone here, neither you nor ehb can identify who might even come close to replacing Kirk.

Speaking of moronic.....Does Mike Jones opinion count for more than one? Guess what so does mine and so does yours! If one opinion is equivalent to one opinion then that neither makes me the odd man out or the three of you a consortium that matters. (BTW: we all agree on this)

Not familiar with this RGIII fellow that you speak of but in relation to those rarities that you speak of, that could be but it's just as likely that they landed in the right places at the right time where their particular talents meshed well with the system that they found themselves in.

Really? what Scott's plans are isn't the issue, do tell who the current GM of this team is, if not SM and why SM's decisions doesn't have any relation to whether Kirk is worth keeping or not? Again Sapienza has an opinion that's plausible but it could very well be that SM was being honest when he talked about not being willing to overpay.

For the record, because I know that you have not read my previous posts, I have written on many occasions that the organization should keep Kirk even if the franchise him, which I suspect will be what happens. ODD man out my ass!!

 

[Sportster 72]

He's bigger, stronger, faster, better arm, more experience, has never played on a team that averaged more than 108 yards rushinhg a game, In his 6 years the Colts def finished better than 20th once, they were 11th that year. Their 2015 and 2016 def is comparable in every stat to the Skins the last 2 years.

FACT : Had better nreg season W/L winning % than Kirk Cousins in 2016
FACT: Threw more TD passes than KC in 2016
FACT: Lead Colts, who are a worse offnesive team in every aspect imo to more points 411 than KC did for the Skins 396 in 2016

And I said KC's leadership was called into question by some, a few who frequent the board and based that on the shitty, non-purposeful way the Skins played over the last few weeks of the season. Common sense was all that was needed to see it was true. Neithetr Kirk or anyone lese showed leadership. He's the one who's supposed to be the man though. The one having such a great season. His leadership was a lot like his play, uninspired, not good, having no urgency. Scoring a total of 25 points in thos egames closing out with a whimpler for sure not a bang.

Course if you wanna believe his team mates as opposed to what you actually saw. I support your right and silliness to do so.

Now explain how 5 OLineman can't pickup 4 DL and a DB again.

 

[Stymietee]

I would never want him banned just because he amuses me more than annoys me but you've got a good point. He so aggressively jumps into conversations with people while clearly 1. Not capable of understanding what they wrote and 2. Not having read anything preceding those posts to understand any context. I disagree with people on this site all the time, but they are all respectful, rational, and intelligent posters who ienjoy debating even if things get testy from time to time. I have no respect for this guy on the other hand. I've had him jump down my throat for things I never said far too many times to have even the slightest bit of respect for him. But he is entertaining lol.

I would never want to ban anyone maybe a time out (2 minutes like in hockey) or something like that. Sometimes like a few ex's that I've had there are people who just like to fuss and create drama. I like that abut him, reminds me of my son who at one point in his life complained about his dad.....until he became one himself. Couldn't see bigger picture until life forced him to take on those responsibilities. That is all I've been asking throughout these posts...to look at this through a bigger picture.

 

[Stymietee]

You sure he isn't talking about you?

And here's something while you ponder my prior post, from dad, who echoed my points very well.

Let me be clear...I was responding to @RFan