This is why Oklahoma should have been in the playoffs

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Wait
An FSU fan is calling out Oklahoma because they get lucky and hold off an Offensively Impaired Michigan by 1 point but gave up 63 points to the best offense they faced.

It's cute.

Defensively too considering Peppers was ruled out at the last damn second.

 

[romeo212000]

Defensively too considering Peppers was ruled out at the last damn second.

Not to mention Michigan lost their future NFL tight end that game too.

 

[outofyourmind]

Defensively too considering Peppers was ruled out at the last damn second.

Damn good point.

 

[outofyourmind]

Here
Reliving the moment.

It funny

 

[Wishbone]

They are out recruiting another top 5 class

Nice try *****, OU is top 5 and Fsu is not.

Rivals.com

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

I didn't say the math was hard...

So...in your formula, playing a Troy team that went 10-2 and played nobody but Alabama is better than playing a 6-6 Virginia Tech team who played an ACC schedule plus say Penn St and Alabama. Even throwing in the opponents winning % gets skewed because other Sun Belt teams play mostly other shitty Sun Belt teams and other ACC teams play mostly other ACC teams.

Not necessarily. OOW% covers the quality of the opponents played by Troy. So the formula not only measures the winning% of your opponents, it measures the SOS of your opponents. Playing a 6-6 Power conference team would provide the most benefits in the OOW% category. So no, playing 10-2 Troy team wouldn't necessarily be worth MORE than playing a 6-6 VT which played the more challenging opponents.

According to Colley Matrix formula, Troy had a .408 SOS or the 118th best schedule in the country. VT didn't produce a 6-6 season, so I'll use Vanderbuilt in proxy. Vanderbuilt had a 6-6 record, but their SOS was .600 and had the 10th best schedule in the country.

I also object to your comments because you're denigrating football teams for not being in a "sexy conference". The beauty of the formula is that it doesn't introduce any of the biases or prejudices which comes with subjective measures. It simply measures the data and looks at the strength of your opponents and the opponents of opponents. The Sun Belt does play a lot of SEC teams.

If the BCS formulas were two dimensional, you would have a point, but they are not.

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

There really aren't enough data points unless we get a lot more meaningful interconference games among the P5 teams. Like all three or four open OOC slots taken up by scheduling other P5 teams.

There's plenty of data points, especially since it's 8 teams and we would see 6 conference championships in the playoffs virtually every single year. The algorithm would measure both winning% and the SOS, covering both opponents winning% and opponents of opponents winning%. We need to move away from subjective voting. That's the problem, and my solution ends that.

 

[SJ76]

And you're still Oklahomas bitch.

Not only are you retarded but you have turrets. When you beat a team like Florida (that has an actual defense) 5 years in a row, that's owning someone. That's someone's bitch. So you got us in 2001, 2010, 2011..

Right now, you are the queen of the weakest conference in the power 5. It's called the present.

FSU will grab another top 10 and another top 5 recruiting class -- 2017

 

[SJ76]

Wait
An FSU fan is calling out Oklahoma because they get lucky and hold off an Offensively Impaired Michigan by 1 point but gave up 63 points to the best offense they faced.

It's cute.

Short bus has 1 spot left!!

Michigan led for 45 seconds of that game. We literally gave them the ball on the 1 along with a pick 6 from our 10. AND one of best defenses got all they wanted from Cook. Hell if Jimbo keeps giving the ball to Cook, Clemson has 2 losses. You know.. The team that rolled you last year in the playoff? Too bad you play in a weak ass conference.


Louisville was the Best offenses in the nation. You know, like that entire Big 12 conference.

No one wanted to play Louisville early on and they hammered us. You know.. Heisman winner



And this BS coming from the guy who thought FSU would drill Michigan.

 

[Codaxx]

Not only are you retarded but you have turrets. When you beat a team like Florida (that has an actual defense) 5 years in a row, that's owning someone. That's someone's bitch. So you got us in 2001, 2010, 2011..

Right now, you are the queen of the weakest conference in the power 5. It's called the present.

FSU will grab another top 10 and another top 5 recruiting class -- 2017

This is funny. BIG 10 had issues for awhile, until last year. They started talking this season, then the bowls happened. Now they are quiet. ACC has been the weakest conference over the last 5-10 years, now after a good bowl season we get "ACC! ACC!". I wonder how long this conferencefest lasts

 

[Wishbone]

Congrats on beating a team by 1 point with the worst quarterback in the entire bowls.

 

[TheReal_NU]

Oklahoma and Nebraska fans crack me up.


Y'all haven't been shit for years.

You sure your not a Nebraska fan?

Keep dreaming oklahoma/Nebraska fans. Someday that natty will Come again.

What in the Fuck????

There's been like 12 pages since the last Nebraska fan was in this thread, and I was making fun of a 72-21 game not being entertaining (unless your team scores 72). I should know as we've seen our share of those. Why you gotta bring our shitty team into this discussion???

Or did I miss Brasky posting that Nebraska belonged in the CFP? (Hey, I wouldn't put it past him)

 

[Rolltide94]

Not necessarily. OOW% covers the quality of the opponents played by Troy. So the formula not only measures the winning% of your opponents, it measures the SOS of your opponents. Playing a 6-6 Power conference team would provide the most benefits in the OOW% category. So no, playing 10-2 Troy team wouldn't necessarily be worth MORE than playing a 6-6 VT which played the more challenging opponents.

According to Colley Matrix formula, Troy had a .408 SOS or the 118th best schedule in the country. VT didn't produce a 6-6 season, so I'll use Vanderbuilt in proxy. Vanderbuilt had a 6-6 record, but their SOS was .600 and had the 10th best schedule in the country.

I also object to your comments because you're denigrating football teams for not being in a "sexy conference". The beauty of the formula is that it doesn't introduce any of the biases or prejudices which comes with subjective measures. It simply measures the data and looks at the strength of your opponents and the opponents of opponents. The Sun Belt does play a lot of SEC teams.

If the BCS formulas were two dimensional, you would have a point, but they are not.

I understand the Colley Matrix just fine, but you didn't address it or SOS in your earlier post, you went with the straight winning % method, which is inherently flawed.

As for denigrating teams outside the P5 conferences, there is no need, they do that just fine on their own.

 

[HuskerOC]

There's plenty of data points, especially since it's 8 teams and we would see 6 conference championships in the playoffs virtually every single year. The algorithm would measure both winning% and the SOS, covering both opponents winning% and opponents of opponents winning%. We need to move away from subjective voting. That's the problem, and my solution ends that.

I don't need a fucking algorithm from some slap who knows nothing about football to tell me that there were at best 3 to 4 teams worthy enough of playing for a National Title.

2 of those got their shit shoved in during a Semi-Final, and yet we still have cries for MORE teams.

Geebus fucking Christmas.

Oklahoma got spanked by Houston and Ohio State this year. Penn State got their shit shoved in by Michigan. Michigan got beat by Iowa.

Who in the entire fuck is left other than bitches wanting to expand the playoffs for zero reason?

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

I understand the Colley Matrix just fine, but you didn't address it or SOS in your earlier post, you went with the straight winning % method, which is inherently flawed.

As for denigrating teams outside the P5 conferences, there is no need, they do that just fine on their own.

How is winning% suppose to be factored differently, beyond weighing home and away wins differently? I did not endorse any specific algorithm. Just asking us to come up with an algorithm and use it to pick the teams.

If you're asking to institute conference biases, then we have a major disagreement.

My point here is that SOS should be weighed heavily and playing a "lower tier team" with a high winning%, but low SOS doesn't equal a greater reward than playing a 6-6 or 5-7 team from a strong conference like the ACC, SEC, or BIG-10 of 2016.

The problem with the system is subjective method of picking the teams. My solution is to take the human element out.

BTW, you can talk about "inherit flaws," but the REAL flaws are going to subjective models which are the source of the problem.

 

[romeo212000]

Not only are you retarded but you have turrets. When you beat a team like Florida (that has an actual defense) 5 years in a row, that's owning someone. That's someone's bitch. So you got us in 2001, 2010, 2011..

Right now, you are the queen of the weakest conference in the power 5. It's called the present.

FSU will grab another top 10 and another top 5 recruiting class -- 2017

Tourette's*

And you're still Oklahomas bitch.

By the way. Oklahoma is working on their own top 5 class.

 

[Rolltide94]

How is winning% suppose to be factored differently, beyond weighing home and away wins differently? I did not endorse any specific algorithm. Just asking us to come up with an algorithm and use it to pick the teams.

If you're asking to institute conference biases, then we have a major disagreement.

My point here is that SOS should be weighed heavily and playing a "lower tier team" with a high winning%, but low SOS doesn't equal a greater reward than playing a 6-6 or 5-7 team from a strong conference like the ACC, SEC, or BIG-10 of 2016.

The problem with the system is subjective method of picking the teams. My solution is to take the human element out.

You say bias like it's a bad word.

You say you want to weigh SOS heavily, then propose using something like Colley...who currently has Western Michigan as the #7 team, despite having an SOS of 130 (with 128 FBS teams) and no ranked wins.

All I'm saying is something like RPI in basketball would be almost impossible to duplicate in a season with so few inter-conference games.

Short of eliminating games against FCS and G5 opponents and making it P5 only, you have too few data points for comparison. Also, any system that weighs SOS heavily is going to eliminate your G5 teams from the start, so you are the one asking to institute conference bias. Even the best Boise team from say 2009 had a shit SOS.

 

[SJ76]

Tourette's*

And you're still Oklahomas bitch.

By the way. Oklahoma is working on their own top 5 class.

Oklahoma is still working on a natty in the BCS era too.

Must be fun being the queen of the weakest conference of the power 5 and living in the past.

 

[SJ76]

This is funny. BIG 10 had issues for awhile, until last year. They started talking this season, then the bowls happened. Now they are quiet. ACC has been the weakest conference over the last 5-10 years, now after a good bowl season we get "ACC! ACC!". I wonder how long this conferencefest lasts

I wasn't barking ACC. I was laughing that Oklahoma "should have been in the playoff"


And then some emotional OU fans still living in the past got their feelings hurt.


ACC has had a team in the championship game 3 out of the last 4 years. When is the last time the big 12 was in the championship game?


Too funny

 

[romeo212000]

Oklahoma is still working on a natty in the BCS era too.

Must be fun being the queen of the weakest conference of the power 5 and living in the past.

Must be fun being Oklahomas bitch.