Colorado D Coordinator moving to Oregon

[Duckboy33]

It is essentially admitting they made a bad HC hire

Ummm see my previous post. The plan was to go relatively cheap on the HC and open up the checkbook for assistants. Oregon didn't see the purpose of paying someone like Dan Mullen (And I mean no disrespect towards Mullen, he's a solid coach) $6 Million. So they got a young guy on the cheap, relatively. And now they are going to go out and let him assemble a great staff. I think it's actually a pretty smart move given the circumstances.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Ummm see my previous post. The plan was to go relatively cheap on the HC and open up the checkbook for assistants. Oregon didn't see the purpose of paying someone like Dan Mullen (And I mean no disrespect towards Mullen, he's a solid coach) $6 Million. So they got a young guy on the cheap, relatively. And now they are going to go out and let him assemble a great staff. I think it's actually a pretty smart move given the circumstances.

That just means the HC will only be as good as his assistants, good luck with that business model.

 

[Wamu]

Thank god you didn't retain Hoke. He needs to go to the MAC and never come back.

Hoke doesn't need to go to the MAC. He needs to go to the front of the buffet line.

 

[Deep Creek]

Ummm see my previous post. The plan was to go relatively cheap on the HC and open up the checkbook for assistants. Oregon didn't see the purpose of paying someone like Dan Mullen (And I mean no disrespect towards Mullen, he's a solid coach) $6 Million. So they got a young guy on the cheap, relatively. And now they are going to go out and let him assemble a great staff. I think it's actually a pretty smart move given the circumstances.

I could understand that plan if it were at a school that had less resources.

Ignorant me. I thought Nike had plenty of money.

 

[Duckboy33]

That just means the HC will only be as good as his assistants, good luck with that business model.

No, it was just a business decision. If Oregon values Taggart the same as Mullen, they are much better off with Taggart and an elite staff to go along with him. It doesn't mean anything negative about Taggart's coaching ability, Oregon just didn't see anyone worth paying $6 Million for. Just paying someone a ton of money doesn't make them an elite coach.

 

[Duckboy33]

I could understand that plan if it were at a school that had less resources.

Ignorant me. I thought Nike had plenty of money.

It's all about who was available. Oregon could have opened up the checkbook for someone like Dan Mullen but would that have really been worth it? I don't think so. I'd much rather get a young coach and hire an elite staff around him.

 

[WizardHawk]

It's all about who was available. Oregon could have opened up the checkbook for someone like Dan Mullen but would that have really been worth it? I don't think so. I'd much rather get a young coach and hire an elite staff around him.

Why can't their deep pockets do both? You are looking at this like an either or and the question is if Knight really is opening up the checkbook why couldn't they do both?

Honestly, I don't care either way. Taggart wasn't their first choice according to reports, but he was high on their list and they got the guy they could get. Maybe he will turn out to be great. Who knows. Getting a solid staff is clearly a big part of winning and if they really like CU's DC and he was a top candidate then they are well on their way.

The Pac is one of the more difficult places in america to run a defense. Air raid, bear raid, power, pro style, several different spreads, quite a few hurry up no huddle units, etc. No two teams are even really that similar in their offensive styles in this conference. It takes a hell of a coach to take their kids and put them week in and week out in the best position to defend all of those varying styles. It's one of the reasons we aren't know for defense as a league. You can't just go get big guys and stop the run like you can in one of the leagues that pride themselves in defense.

 

[Duckboy33]

Why can't their deep pockets do both? You are looking at this like an either or and the question is if Knight really is opening up the checkbook why couldn't they do both?

Honestly, I don't care either way. Taggart wasn't their first choice according to reports, but he was high on their list and they got the guy they could get. Maybe he will turn out to be great. Who knows. Getting a solid staff is clearly a big part of winning and if they really like CU's DC and he was a top candidate then they are well on their way.

The Pac is one of the more difficult places in america to run a defense. Air raid, bear raid, power, pro style, several different spreads, quite a few hurry up no huddle units, etc. No two teams are even really that similar in their offensive styles in this conference. It takes a hell of a coach to take their kids and put them week in and week out in the best position to defend all of those varying styles. It's one of the reasons we aren't know for defense as a league. You can't just go get big guys and stop the run like you can in one of the leagues that pride themselves in defense.

I don't think Knight/Oregon wants to spend money just for the sake of spend money. Oregon didn't see an elite coach available for them and didn't want to pay an above average coach elite money. Once they saw that an elite coach wasn't available, I think the plan was to hire a good coach and then try to put an elite staff around him.

 

[WizardHawk]

Well you said it was a business decision and made it sound like going after a cheaper HC and throwing money at the coordinators was part of a master plan.

That's different from they couldn't find an elite HC they liked and that also wanted to come to Eugene so they took the best coach they could find that was interested. Which is what happened.

 

[Duckboy33]

Well you said it was a business decision and made it sound like going after a cheaper HC and throwing money at the coordinators was part of a master plan.

That's different from they couldn't find an elite HC they liked and that also wanted to come to Eugene so they took the best coach they could find that was interested. Which is what happened.

I agree with what you are saying. They couldn't find an elite HC that was worth opening up the checkbook for. So then they hired a young coach who they liked and started to open up the checkbook to hire an elite staff. It's obviously Plan B with Plan A being convince someone like Chip Kelly to come back. My point is, it's better to go with Plan B than just pay someone like Dan Mullen the amount of money you would have had to pay someone like Chip Kelly.

 

[DHoey]

So what happens to Don Pellum? I always liked that guy.

 

[Duckboy33]

So what happens to Don Pellum? I always liked that guy.

Maybe he can become a coach at South Eugene High School?

 

[Innermind]

Still surprised they never went after Wilcox with his recruiting ties all over the west and his ties to that school. Could have had him last year for half the price and Helfrich would probably still have kept his job.

The historically notorious tightwad Barry Alvarez finally is realizing he needs to pony-up the $$$ for his football assistants at Wisconsin.
Justin Wilcox is due $950,000 ($300,000 base salary plus $650,000 in additional compensation) for next season (2017 campaign) with the Badgers, and another $100,000 retention bonus if he is still on the Wisconsin staff January 1st, 2018. That's right... Wisconsin will pay Justin Wilcox over a million dollars for next season when the Jan 1st 2018 bonus is taken into account..... Wowser!

In 2016, Wilcox got $500,000 ($300,000 base salary plus $200,000 in additional compensation) from Wisconsin.

UW defensive coordinator Justin Wilcox to get $1.45 million


The new TV contracts are allowing the B1G athletic departments to open-up their pocket books!

 

[WizardHawk]

I agree with what you are saying. They couldn't find an elite HC that was worth opening up the checkbook for. So then they hired a young coach who they liked and started to open up the checkbook to hire an elite staff. It's obviously Plan B with Plan A being convince someone like Chip Kelly to come back. My point is, it's better to go with Plan B than just pay someone like Dan Mullen the amount of money you would have had to pay someone like Chip Kelly.

All good. Just struck me as odd with how that was coming off that it was on purpose. If they liked Taggart as a better fit than Mullen then they got the guy they wanted and it had nothing to do with money.

Saban famously told the bama AD he was getting a garbage coach, but no one would ever out recruit him. He's clearly not a bad coach and has a very strong vision for what he wants to see on and off the field. He's a field general like so many of the greats. He holds his staff accountable for production and that's huge.

Getting a solid staff is critical for winning. There is no doubt about that. I don't know enough about either Taggart or CU's DC, but we will find out how that all works next fall.

 

[Duckboy33]

All good. Just struck me as odd with how that was coming off that it was on purpose. If they liked Taggart as a better fit than Mullen then they got the guy they wanted and it had nothing to do with money.

Saban famously told the bama AD he was getting a garbage coach, but no one would ever out recruit him. He's clearly not a bad coach and has a very strong vision for what he wants to see on and off the field. He's a field general like so many of the greats. He holds his staff accountable for production and that's huge.

Getting a solid staff is critical for winning. There is no doubt about that. I don't know enough about either Taggart or CU's DC, but we will find out how that all works next fall.

I use to follow the old Big East when Leavitt coached USF. He really built that program from the ground up. He has head coaching experience (successful experience), NFL experience and most recently turned around CU's defense in 2 seasons. I'm excited

 

[TheDayMan]

Was Kelly really plan A? Seems like he was more of a dream scenario than a plan A. They were going to try to woo him at his dad's funeral for fucks sake...

 

[mcnabb7542]

If he can turn around that dumpster fire he'll be worth whatever they are paying him.

Still surprised they never went after Wilcox with his recruiting ties all over the west and his ties to that school. Could have had him last year for half the price and Helfrich would probably still have kept his job.

Yes but this guy promised them top 10 defense:

 

[WizardHawk]

The historically notorious tightwad Barry Alvarez finally is realizing he needs to pony-up the $$$ for his football assistants at Wisconsin.
Justin Wilcox is due $950,000 ($300,000 base salary plus $650,000 in additional compensation) for next season (2017 campaign) with the Badgers, and another $100,000 retention bonus if he is still on the Wisconsin staff January 1st, 2018. That's right... Wisconsin will pay Justin Wilcox over a million dollars for next season when the Jan 1st 2018 bonus is taken into account..... Wowser!

In 2016, Wilcox got $500,000 ($300,000 base salary plus $200,000 in additional compensation) from Wisconsin.

UW defensive coordinator Justin Wilcox to get $1.45 million


The new TV contracts are allowing the B1G athletic departments to open-up their pocket books!

Wilcox made 800k when he was at UW which was the highest paid non HC in Pac history at that time.

Our DC now makes 600k. He's worth a lot more. I'm sure the TV revenues are creating an escalating price war for staff and that's probably a good thing. FWIW Coach K got a 100k raise for next season so he made 500k this year.

 

[WizardHawk]

Was Kelly really plan A? Seems like he was more of a dream scenario than a plan A. They were going to try to woo him at his dad's funeral for fucks sake...

I thought Rhule was their plan A guy until he said no thank you and went to Baylor.

 

[Wamu]

Yes but this guy promised them top 10 defense: