I still trust Scot.

[Sharkinva]

The shitty teams sure do. Don't think we are there anymore but I've been wrong many times before.

I think if SMGM had drafted RG3, he would have never backed Jay in benching him. Also think, if he had drafted Cousins in the first place, he would have had less reservations on signing him long term.

Its not a shitty team thing, its a human nature thing. IF picking up Griffins 5th year option had worked out, SMGM pads his genius Resume. And he has almost nothing to lose franchising Kirk. If Kirk fails, he looks smart. If Kirk Succeeds, he still looks smart.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I think if SMGM had drafted RG3, he would have never backed Jay in benching him. Also think, if he had drafted Cousins in the first place, he would have had less reservations on signing him long term.

Its not a shitty team thing, its a human nature thing. IF picking up Griffins 5th year option had worked out, SMGM pads his genius Resume. And he has almost nothing to lose franchising Kirk. If Kirk fails, he looks smart. If Kirk Succeeds, he still looks smart.

I stand by my point that good teams cut bait sooner rather than later in terms of talent on the field. Mgt is a different ball of wax, can't be churning too quickly there.

 

[Breed]

A Stout Defensive line is the key to a good defense period.

Agreed. I know we all have various opinions, likes/dislikes etc. Given my druthers, if I were allowed to have one great unit and 2 adequate/slightly above average units on defense. I'd choose the DL to be great and I'd run a 43 defense.

 

[Stymietee]

Nope, I think it was more a case of Brutons contract and giving him a shot to start. I do know Bruton said one of the reasons DC was so attractive was the opportunity to start so maybe there was a behind the scenes nod to him cuz Nacho outplayed him in preseason according to many

Hey, it's still DC and anything is possible. My take is he's likely is making a statement about the guys who were here. Ex: "I wanna go to DC, those guys aren't very good and I know that I'm better than that!"

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Hey, it's still DC and anything is possible. My take is he's likely is making a statement about the guys who were here. Ex: "I wanna go to DC, those guys aren't very good and I know that I'm better than that!"

Well indirectly that was also likely the case in his mind fo sho

 

[gkekoa]

To be fair, Harrison is a NG/DT and I'd hazard a guess his job is to occupy multiple OL moreso than making tackles and getting sacks. Other than the Skins game, I haven't watched the Giants so I don't know the full circumstances, but the Giants are only giving up 84 rushing yards a game.

IMO interior DL are the key to a stout run defense.

Didn't the NYG lose to us?

 

[Breed]

Didn't the NYG lose to us?

What? You don't remember? I was merely pointing out that as an interior DL. Harrison's main responsibilities likely aren't making tackles and getting sacks. So judging him by that criteria would be off the mark. In 53 games with the Jets he garnered 1.5 sacks, but he was rated as the #2 run stopping DT by Pro Football Focus.

I didn't know he was only a 2 down player though. The bottom line is this. Addressing the DL with Hatcher an Pot Roast didn't work and the present players we have aren't working. I'd love to be like the Jets were with Harrison who wasn't drafted, but that's far too wishful thinking.

 

[Sportster 72]

Although you might want to bash Scot's selection of Bruton and Reyes you also have to give him credit for saying "we are moving on" before week 5.

 

[gkekoa]

What? You don't remember? I was merely pointing out that as an interior DL. Harrison's main responsibilities likely aren't making tackles and getting sacks. So judging him by that criteria would be off the mark. In 53 games with the Jets he garnered 1.5 sacks, but he was rated as the #2 run stopping DT by Pro Football Focus.

I didn't know he was only a 2 down player though. The bottom line is this. Addressing the DL with Hatcher an Pot Roast didn't work and the present players we have aren't working. I'd love to be like the Jets were with Harrison who wasn't drafted, but that's far too wishful thinking.

See, I am fine with interior linemen not getting sacks. I was merely pointing out that isn't really their job. Their job is to take on blockers and allow the LBs to come make the stop. Now, if our LBs were getting hit by the OL, I think you guys would have a point, but that isn't what I see. I see our LBs missing gaps, filling the same gap, and missing tackles.

I am also saying, if we wanted the guys mentioned, we would have needed to go back to Vinny rules.

 

[Breed]

See, I am fine with interior linemen not getting sacks. I was merely pointing out that isn't really their job. Their job is to take on blockers and allow the LBs to come make the stop. Now, if our LBs were getting hit by the OL, I think you guys would have a point, but that isn't what I see. I see our LBs missing gaps, filling the same gap, and missing tackles.

I am also saying, if we wanted the guys mentioned, we would have needed to go back to Vinny rules.

I would disagree that paying a large contract to a proven NFL player who's put in enough time in the league. That he's entered into the "Show me the money!" phase of his career are Vinny Rules. That's just NFL business 101 right there. And I'm by no means trying to defend Cerrato. I think he was a spineless fucker who figured being a Snyder yes man was the best way to keep his lush gig as Snyder's yes man. Regardless if he knew saying yes to a Snyder request would be a detriment to the Washington Redskins organization.

There were more people involved in taking the Redskins deep into the abyss of futility than just Cerrato.

 

[gkekoa]

You can disagree but we won every off season FA extravaganza...how did that work? The players .entitled were massively overpaid and the NYG are in the cellar.

 

[Breed]

You can disagree but we won every off season FA extravaganza...how did that work? The players .entitled were massively overpaid and the NYG are in the cellar.

Are you suggesting because the Redskins overpaid for FAs back in the day. And that because the Giants may've overpaid for Harrison. That's the reason they've in last place?

 

[skinsdad62]

I think what GK is saying is higher paid " name " d/lineman are doing what our guys are doing but our ILB are failing

 

[Sharkinva]

I think what GK is saying is higher paid " name " d/lineman are doing what our guys are doing but our ILB are failing

Might it be that our ILB dont have the chance to do what other teams ILBs are doing. And the reason for that is, our D-line is failing to take on double teams which a 3-4 D-lineman has to be able to do.

 

[gkekoa]

I am saying that overpaying for decent players is a loser's route. I am saying that is what we used to do and it didn't work. That is what NY did and it isn't working.

Again Shark, if our DL isn't doing good their job, then our ILBs and safeties would be getting destroyed by OL right? I am just not seeing that. I am seeing our ILBs missing gaps, missing tackles, and even both going to the same wrong gap.

Now, I am not saying our DL is good. I am saying it is hard to evaluate the DL with poor LB play and poor tackling in general.

 

[Breed]

And PFF is saying Harrison was the best run defender in football at his position in 2015. I'd say that rates him as more than a decent football player Jets DT Damon Harrison named best run defender by Pro Football Focus He hit FA, he got paid. That's the way it works. Just like it did for Norman.

Yes, signing big name FAs to huge contracts, often the highest paid contract to a player at that position in the history of the NFL, was a problem for the Redskins in the past. It wasn't the only problem they had though, far from it. They also depleted their depth with dumb ass 2 pieces or more for 1 piece trades. Didn't value their own homegrown talent, (Antonio Pierce for example) or solid reserves and FAs already on the team (Walt Harris and Ryan Clark for example) and let them stupidly walk away. And after signing a big FA or trading for a player would ridiculously play them at a positions or in ways that didn't play to the player's strengths. (Portis, AC Carter, Jason Taylor as examples)

 

[gkekoa]

Harrison played beside whom? Run defenders should not get paid what he did.

 

[skinsdad62]

the d/line is horrible , no lie there , but the film i have been watching our 2 starting ILBS have missed filling gaps cant get off blocks and are missing tackles .

compton was supposed to be a coach on the field but he hasnt played well

 

[Breed]

Harrison played beside whom? Run defenders should not get paid what he did.

Heh. You mean the guy who you were bemoaning the Skins would have to pay a 100 million dollars and give up a 1st rd pk for. Who's contract pays more guaranteed money, 53 million, than the entirety of Harrison's contract and presently has 1.5 sacks to his credit. Acquiring him would've been more a Vinny move as you called it and from the look of things at present. Maybe Wilkerson benefited from playing next to Harrison.as much or more as Harrison did playing next to Wilkerson.

 

[gkekoa]

Wilkerson has been a monster the entirety of his career.