I still trust Scot.

[Breed]

None of these guys should on the positive FA signing list. Everett and Toler have 3 tackles 2 solo/1 asst between them. Listing two DLine players and Foster is almost criminal and considering the injuries that have already hit the OL. If Neekhe is so impressive how come he's just backing up Trent? Give him a spot and coach him up.


DL Ziggy Hood - Early returns are positive on the veteran Hood, who played in Pittsburgh, but he’s part of a run defense that has struggled.

DL Ricky Jean Francois - Not an every-down player, but a solid player who is about as good as you can expect on the open market.

OL Ty Nsekhe - The veteran’s job is to back up Trent Williams, so he doesn’t get much action, but coaches rave about his raw talent.

LB Mason Foster - A mid-season addition, Foster won a starting job from Perry Riley and has held on to it ever since.

S Deshazor Everett - A second-year player who was cut by Tampa Bay, Everett has carved himself out a role on special teams as a hard hitter.

CB Greg Toler - The Redskins have already gotten more than they bargained for out of Toler, who wasn’t projected to make the roster but has slid into a regular role because of injuries.

 

[Breed]

I dunno Shark, creating a new job like that one just might be too tempting for Dan Snyder not to fill himself.

Heh. I was thinking the same thing, Hell, I don't even want Snyder being the tie breaker vote like JKC was when Gibbs and Beathard couldn't come to an understanding on their own.

 

[j_y19]

Problem is, every three years we start a new five year rebuild plan. I know I risk getting blasted for this... but just as Bruce Allen should stick to contract work and leave the talent evaluation to people with that ability. Maybe SMGM should stick to the draft and find a guy who has a knack for evaluating free agents. Because it may sound harsh, but boy does he suck ass at finding starting caliber Free agents. Rookies and role players.. he knocks that shit out da' park. But most of his Free Agents tagged to be starters..... well you know.

Signing FAs is a whole lot different than drafting college talent. With FAs, there are many more dynamics involved. First, the player has the choice if they want to play for your team or not. And, believe it or not, there are some that want nothing to do with this organization. Second, there is the money angle. To land really good talent, you have to be willing to open up the check book (kinda like Norman who's signing you weren't too fond of). And that leads to a whole myriad of other issues. Finally, is there even talent at positions of need for you. Most FAs are FAs because their previous team let them go. There is usually a reason for that. So when you go looking at the FA market to fill a need, many times your choices aren't the best.
So having success in the FA market is about a hell of a lot more than evaluating talent. In fact, that is probably the easy part as FAs have a proven track record in this league. I guess my question back to you would be, in looking at the DL, for example, who should he have signed during this last off season that would have made a difference?

 

[gkekoa]

Only Norman was a long term solution in free agency.

 

[gkekoa]

Signing FAs is a whole lot different than drafting college talent. With FAs, there are many more dynamics involved. First, the player has the choice if they want to play for your team or not. And, believe it or not, there are some that want nothing to do with this organization. Second, there is the money angle. To land really good talent, you have to be willing to open up the check book (kinda like Norman who's signing you weren't too fond of). And that leads to a whole myriad of other issues. Finally, is there even talent at positions of need for you. Most FAs are FAs because their previous team let them go. There is usually a reason for that. So when you go looking at the FA market to fill a need, many times your choices aren't the best.
So having success in the FA market is about a hell of a lot more than evaluating talent. In fact, that is probably the easy part as FAs have a proven track record in this league. I guess my question back to you would be, in looking at the DL, for example, who should he have signed during this last off season that would have made a difference?

We bitched when we overpayed. We butch now that we don't. Maybe we are a bunch of bitchers.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

We bitched when we overpayed. We butch now that we don't. Maybe we are a bunch of bitchers.

We haven't been anything close to a contemding team for a generation, that may have something to do with it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Problem is, every three years we start a new five year rebuild plan. I know I risk getting blasted for this... but just as Bruce Allen should stick to contract work and leave the talent evaluation to people with that ability. Maybe SMGM should stick to the draft and find a guy who has a knack for evaluating free agents. Because it may sound harsh, but boy does he suck ass at finding starting caliber Free agents. Rookies and role players.. he knocks that shit out da' park. But most of his Free Agents tagged to be starters..... well you know.

Again - you are making assumptions in areas where none of us have true knowledge of the situation. Just like with any company one person does not do all the work & make all of the decisions. SM is the leader of a group that collectively makes personnel decisions. For all we know he does have a separate team that focuses strictly on free agents.

I say just let SM & his team do whatever they need to do over the next few years & then decide if they need to go in another direction. Unless SM is the one deciding to recruit someone else to focus on free agency I say "no thanks" to your suggestion. This would again risk Snyder being involved in the decision making & God knows which direction that could go in - don't need any more Cerrato, Zorn or Spurrier like choices being associated with this team. Remember Beathard also sucked in certain areas (traded away numerous high picks & was the guy who picked Ryan Freaking Leaf) but is considered the best Redskins GM in recent history.

As Krusheasy states - these guys are not perfect - they have pros and cons - even the elite ones. Just let this play out a bit longer before even considering changes.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I will never get over coming out of the richest DL draft class in memory with only a 285 DL who got drafted because he had the ability to overpower the offensive lineman at East Carolina.

 

[skinsdad62]

its year 2 people lets give it time

 

[Sharkinva]

Signing FAs is a whole lot different than drafting college talent. With FAs, there are many more dynamics involved. First, the player has the choice if they want to play for your team or not. And, believe it or not, there are some that want nothing to do with this organization. Second, there is the money angle. To land really good talent, you have to be willing to open up the check book (kinda like Norman who's signing you weren't too fond of). And that leads to a whole myriad of other issues. Finally, is there even talent at positions of need for you. Most FAs are FAs because their previous team let them go. There is usually a reason for that. So when you go looking at the FA market to fill a need, many times your choices aren't the best.
So having success in the FA market is about a hell of a lot more than evaluating talent. In fact, that is probably the easy part as FAs have a proven track record in this league. I guess my question back to you would be, in looking at the DL, for example, who should he have signed during this last off season that would have made a difference?

To answer your question... there really wasnt any one. Which to me would say D-line had to be a priority in the draft.

And look I wasnt against the Norman signing. I do think we over paid him and much as I am not a fan of giving up multiple picks for a player these days, I feel the same way about paying for some one elses FA. Yes you know the FA has done it, in another system. But history has shown that most big money FA's dont live up to the money in their deal.

 

[j_y19]

To answer your question... there really wasnt any one. Which to me would say D-line had to be a priority in the draft.

And look I wasnt against the Norman signing. I do think we over paid him and much as I am not a fan of giving up multiple picks for a player these days, I feel the same way about paying for some one elses FA. Yes you know the FA has done it, in another system. But history has shown that most big money FA's dont live up to the money in their deal.

I agree on all counts. I know you arent against Norman, he is a very good CB. You just question the amount we signed him for.

 

[gkekoa]

I will never get over coming out of the richest DL draft class in memory with only a 285 DL who got drafted because he had the ability to overpower the offensive lineman at East Carolina.

So which DL in this draft class are tearing it up? Hell, which ones are even starting? Are any even playing? I will continue to say this was the most overrated DL draft class I have ever heard of.

 

[gkekoa]

We haven't been anything close to a contemding team for a generation, that may have something to do with it.

Yes...so we should bitch about everything? Like I said...people bitch about overpaying in FA...now they bitch about not getting good FAs.

 

[Breed]

I guess where some see bitchin, butt hurtin, and complaining. We of the bitchin, butt burtin, and complaining likely all feel we're just calling a spade a spade.

I mean c'mon now. The positive list has two dudes on it that have 3 tackles between them in 4 games. And 3 regular members of a defense who's nickname could be "The Big Swiss Cheese" cuz there's so many holes in it.
Nobody was supposed to say anything about that? My bad.................

 

[skinsdad62]

I guess where some see bitchin, butt hurtin, and complaining. We of the bitchin, butt burtin, and complaining likely all feel we're just calling a spade a spade.

I mean c'mon now. The positive list has two dudes on it that have 3 tackles between them in 4 games. And 3 regular members of a defense who's nickname could be "The Big Swiss Cheese" cuz there's so many holes in it.
Nobody was supposed to say anything about that? My bad.................

i cant argue it but what rookie d/lineman is showing he is a difference maker or even starting so we get better with younger mediocre ? it will take a couple of years for a d/lineman to get his stride . look they thought paea and reyes would pan out as stop gaps and went with the BPA . the d/line and ILBS have proved to be wanting . a swing and a miss

 

[Breed]

i cant argue it but what rookie d/lineman is showing he is a difference maker or even starting so we get better with younger mediocre ? it will take a couple of years for a d/lineman to get his stride . look they thought paea and reyes would pan out as stop gaps and went with the BPA . the d/line and ILBS have proved to be wanting . a swing and a miss

I don't know far as a rookie DLs. I'm not the one really advocating for that. I was fine with the Dotson pick. Garcon is a UFA next year and its Djax last year under contract though 2017 is voidable with what seems like a silly stipulation [2017 Voidable (if on roster 5 days after 2016 SB)] DeSean Jackson

While I don't believe it is all his fault. Garcon hasn't cracked 800 rec yards the last 2 years and he's on pace to not do it again. All told he's gonna make over 13 mill this year. Pierre Garcon

I think it was kbso who said Djax might go somewhere to chase a ring next year. I'm thinking PG might be the one to do that.

I was cool with the Skins first two picks this year, but I do think that if the draft was as DL talent laden as claimed. They could've used a couple later picks on the DL, but I can't call it. I may not echo the "In Scott We Trust." mantra as much as others, but I'm cool with kickin back another 3 years and watching him do his thing. At the same time if he makes moves that don't work out and/or baffle and perplex the fuck outta me. I see no reason to not express that here among the brethren.

 

[kbso83432]

I trust Scot, but I will concede that if he had been more effective in free agency, we would be a little further along in our rebuild.

 

[gkekoa]

So who should we have signed in FA?

 

[Sharkinva]

I trust Scot, but I will concede that if he had been more effective in free agency, we would be a little further along in our rebuild.

The real problem is... we signed and drafted only backups for the D-line over the past two off seasons. Should we have taken a D-lineman this draft early?? Possibly. But Im not upset with who he did draft in the first three rounds. But there were still solid developmental players available in the 4th and 5th round of this draft. We came away with a guy that most of the world has rated as a 6th - 7th rounder that we took in the 5th. We signed guys and expected them to start on defense in quite a few spots, but aside from Norman... most of the guys we signed over the last two years were actually backups. The few that werent were trying to come back from injury.

 

[skinsdad62]

my point is there are d/line prospects this year and we could have a shot at some , if we addressed d/line last draft that would have been ok with me however a hole would be somewhere else and so on . sure we pick williams then we have no o/line then we bitch at that

if we lose djax and PG what happens if we have no dox or crowder another hole and more "lack of foresight "

we are in year 2 , we had a horrible roster . we are trying to make do with crap ILBS D/lineman , and safties

its just going to take time

sure your concerns are valid and very real but who would have been a better flier then paea or reyes ? or blackman or bruton ? dudes there are stop gap types as is whitner

how many years did we waste money , big money , on washed up big names ? if you have a legit guy we could have gotten i am all ears , all ears

now i am not saying he hasnt failed in FA some