has it already begun?

[jarntt]

good post. Unfortunately many of us suffer the effects of 20 years of dysfunction. We react the same way our owner did for so very long yet we all hated him for it. we keep doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different outcome. We only see the bad and not the good. As you point out, our QB threw for over 700 yds in 2 games yet many will say that it was all dump off passes (they weren't). There are many franchises that would take KCs performance and look at it as a thing to build on, we see it as he is doomed and a failure, get rid of him now. I include myself in this analysis at times. Man, we need help.

Hey, I'm a Cowboy fan. I'd be making shit up if I pretended we were any better as a group...

 

[Caliskinsfan]

It's 2,games , he hasn't played like he could. , that should be all it is to it

Exactly!

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Hey, I'm a Cowboy fan. I'd be making shit up if I pretended we were any better as a group...

Pretty understandable from fan bases that know what winning football looks like and only sees it in spurts.

Takes time to change the culture of a fan base too.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

It's 2,games , he hasn't played like he could. , that should be all it is to it

That's the thing, it hasn't been 2 games. It's been 32 games. And if posters are being honest with themselves they will recognize that he's played well in maybe half of them, and that may be a stretch. It's not being irrational or knee jerk at all to point this out. This very well may be who he is. A QB who is inconsistant and who fails to show up against the better teams way too often. It's well known that I subscribe to the "Good QB Is Necessary for Longterm Success" school of thinking. Frankly there is just too much evidence not to believe this. So yeah I am very upset that our guy may never be good enough.

Someone is really posting his yardage totals to justify his play? Really? Come on now, he has not played well in 2 games. Stop trying to turn it into something it was not.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

We seen this movie before. Wentz looks great now, but in most cases where you gave up a ton of picks on a QB... it has failed. If you want us drafting a QB at #2, pull out the voodoo doll and wish for a losing season. I dont ever want to see this team dump half a draft into a QB again please. Cant believe after witnessing what a total mistake it was to trade up from BOB, you would advocate we do this again.

Sure it's early and we don't know anything for certain yet. But any NFC East fan who has watched Wentz play his first 2 games and is not concerned about how he could singlehandedly change the future of that team is an idiot. Overnight they went from consensus last place to a real threat to the division and he is the reason. Not a chance in Hell Philly would take back that decision to trade up.

Of course a trade up is risky and fails often. But so does pinning you hopes on a 3rd round QB. Worked out pretty well with Elway in Denver. Not the biggest Eli guy but the fact is it worked out there as well.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Well then that may be a reason why you should not advocate the Skins getting rid of SM this offseason (as you suggested is a possibility & granted he has made some blunders). SM would never make a trade like this (values picks too much), but a replacement may very well due this especially if Snyder is inclined to hire another puppet.

Regardless of what occurs this season SM needs at least another year. Be careful what you wish for.

Yeah it's crazy to even think about dumping a proven talent evaluator after only 2 years. Not THAT is an irrational, knee jerk reaction.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Spot on as is the norm for Jerry Brewer

Coaches thought the Redskins were better than they are. Now it’s on them to fix it.

Excerpt

Here’s the problem at its most basic: The coaches got ahead of themselves. They believed the hype more than anyone else. They thought this team was more advanced than it really is, and now that Washington has been exposed as weaker than advertised, their task is to return the players to the roots of last season’s success.

A year ago, this team played simple football with great passion. The coaches emphasized being physical, the most fundamental trait needed to compete. They went to great lengths putting together game plans that made Kirk Cousins look his best, not dumping too much on the quarterback and making sure to highlight his strengths. And they did their best work teaching, focusing on development, helping a constant stream of new players contribute on a fluid roster and leveraging the limited amount of elite talent they had to create a winning situation.

There’s this notion now that Washington has considerably more talent than it did in 2015. But while the 53-man roster is better, it’s not like this team rose to becoming one of the five most gifted teams in the NFL. Last year, Washington was probably near the top of the bottom third of the NFL in talent. For the sake of argument, consider that squad 21st of 32 teams in overall ability. This season, it has climbed to about average, maybe 16th in ability.

Think about it. What’s really different about this team that comes through in a major way on Sundays? Josh Norman is an elite cornerback addition. Josh Doctson, though still recovering from an Achilles’ injury, has added to a top-notch receiving corps. Rookie linebacker/safety Su’a Cravens looks good in a limited role. And the improvement in those areas is tempered by regression on the defensive line and at running back. Consider also that a majority of the best talent is at wide receiver and tight end, which means those players are primarily influencing one area, the passing game, and there is a lot of overlap that restricts what each individual can contribute. Washington has better depth, but in terms of impact players, the main difference is Norman.

It’s not the fault of General Manager Scot McCloughan, and it’s not reason to divert from the overall plan to reconstruct this roster. This is just the inevitable hardship of building in a responsible, incremental manner. There’s only so much you can do from year to year. There’s only so much you should do.

 

[Sharkinva]

Sure it's early and we don't know anything for certain yet. But any NFC East fan who has watched Wentz play his first 2 games and is not concerned about how he could singlehandedly change the future of that team is an idiot. Overnight they went from consensus last place to a real threat to the division and he is the reason. Not a chance in Hell Philly would take back that decision to trade up.

Of course a trade up is risky and fails often. But so does pinning you hopes on a 3rd round QB. Worked out pretty well with Elway in Denver. Not the biggest Eli guy but the fact is it worked out there as well.

Out of curiosity... why is it disagreeing with a concept that has failed more often than not makes one an idiot?? Wentz has played two games, and he has looked good. But its two games. For Every Eli, there is a Mike Vick and an RG3. So while there are times it works, more often than not teams have regretted it. If we re in a position where we need a QB, and one is there fine. But if the last QB trade we made doesnt make you the least bit gun shy......

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[eaglesnut]

Why didn't you guys keep Alfred Morris? That is looking really idiotic.

And WTF is wrong with Reed? How hard is it to throw to a beast like him ten times a game.

 

[eaglesnut]

Sure it's early and we don't know anything for certain yet. But any NFC East fan who has watched Wentz play his first 2 games and is not concerned about how he could singlehandedly change the future of that team is an idiot. Overnight they went from consensus last place to a real threat to the division and he is the reason. Not a chance in Hell Philly would take back that decision to trade up.

Of course a trade up is risky and fails often. But so does pinning you hopes on a 3rd round QB. Worked out pretty well with Elway in Denver. Not the biggest Eli guy but the fact is it worked out there as well.

Best coach in the division coaches in Philly. Wentz is good too, but it's the coaching that has us on a path for the division this year.

 

[Sharkinva]

Why didn't you guys keep Alfred Morris? That is looking really idiotic.

And WTF is wrong with Reed? How hard is it to throw to a beast like him ten times a game.

Our GM decided that Matt Jones was a feature back, thus Morris was not needed.

If you rewatch the game, once Dallas realized we were not going to run the ball, they went into a 7 man zone and basically double and triple covered Reed for the rest of the game. As good as he is, With a QB who is shaky at the moment, a 7 man zone can take him away.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Out of curiosity... why is it disagreeing with a concept that has failed more often than not makes one an idiot?? Wentz has played two games, and he has looked good. But its two games. For Every Eli, there is a Mike Vick and an RG3. So while there are times it works, more often than not teams have regretted it. If we re in a position where we need a QB, and one is there fine. But if the last QB trade we made doesnt make you the least bit gun shy......

I wasn't calling you an idiot for stating correctly that trading up has failed more often than it has worked. It's true, it has failed more time than it has worked. But again not as often as asking a 3rd round QB to turn into a franchise QB.

If you read my post I said any NFC East fan who has watched Wentz play and is not concerned is an idiot. Apologies if I was not clear.

 

[Sharkinva]

I wasn't calling you an idiot for stating correctly that trading up has failed more often than it has worked. It's true, it has failed more time than it has worked. But again not as often as asking a 3rd round QB to turn into a franchise QB.

If you read my post I said any NFC East fan who has watched Wentz play and is not concerned is an idiot. Apologies if I was not clear.

I will just say this... its two games. I made similar claims after watching a certain QB for all of 2012... and we know how that turned out. As for Wentz, I think they put the right team around him on both sides of the ball.

A QB on a solid team can actually afford to play within his game.... Or did you think Russell Wilson was some uber stud when he was drafted in the 3rd round??

 

[Breed]

It’s not the fault of General Manager Scot McCloughan,

This ^^^^^ will become tiresome very quickly if it continues.

and it’s not reason to divert from the overall plan to reconstruct this roster. This is just the inevitable hardship of building in a responsible, incremental manner. There’s only so much you can do from year to year. There’s only so much you should do.

DSome might opine it wasn't responsible to disregard the DL for the last 2 years.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

This ^^^^^ will become tiresome very quickly if it continues.



DSome might opine it wasn't responsible to disregard the DL for the last 2 years.

It will when taken out of context and used alone. But yes, it will be no balm if we don't win some games soon.

More like 'it is not the fault of Scot when scheme, coaching and execution are the primary factors involved in a loss'. Which was the context of that quote in the article of Brewer if you read the whole thing.

 

[Sharkinva]

It will when taken out of context and used alone. But yes, it will be no balm if we don't win some games soon.

More like 'it is not the fault of Scot when scheme, coaching and execution are the primary factors involved in a loss'. Which was the context of that quote in the article of Brewer if you read the whole thing.

While I think you know Im not a huge fan of Barry. I think if the man has been given players not up to the task of running anything more creative than what we have been running.... he cant be held totally at fault. We knew D-line was a concern going into the season. Not addressing it in any meaningful way, has at least got to be questioned some.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

While I think you know Im not a huge fan of Barry. I think if the man has been given players not up to the task of running anything more creative than what we have been running.... he cant be held totally at fault. We knew D-line was a concern going into the season. Not addressing it in any meaningful way, has at least got to be questioned some.

Oh, I don't disagree. Just don't know all the pieces in play in the big picture puzzle of a long term strategy that's different from what we've seen for the last 20 years.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

While I think you know Im not a huge fan of Barry. I think if the man has been given players not up to the task of running anything more creative than what we have been running.... he cant be held totally at fault. We knew D-line was a concern going into the season. Not addressing it in any meaningful way, has at least got to be questioned some.

OK great - so what should they do now? No sense in harping on possible mistakes that were already made. I say just make the best out of what you have for now & from what I hear players are complaining that Barry is not making necessary in-game adjustments. He can change that or simply plan on being fired soon enough.

You can question SM - rightfully so in certain cases - but he will be here for at least another year or two as it should be. I cannot believe people still want to constantly fire GMs and coaches. That is the old Snyder theme & just doesn't work. At least be patient for a while.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I will just say this... its two games. I made similar claims after watching a certain QB for all of 2012... and we know how that turned out. As for Wentz, I think they put the right team around him on both sides of the ball.

A QB on a solid team can actually afford to play within his game.... Or did you think Russell Wilson was some uber stud when he was drafted in the 3rd round??

Of course Wilson is the exception, there are always exceptions. But there have been like 100 QBs taken in the 3rd round and Wilson and Montana seem to be about it. Talk about long odds. But one thing I do know is Seattle didn't win a damn thing until they got a QB.