Would Broncos trade Miller ?

[bksballer89]

If he doesn't take the Broncos deal then he is a very stupid man

 

[RobBase]

Because both sides are trying to get the best deal possible for themselves. If the Broncos offered Von $70 million back in February, he'd have asked for $90 million.

I don't think so. I think he would have signed, avoiding all this personal conflict. All reports say he wanted to be paid just more than Suh, not 20 million more. What's stopping him from asking for 90 million now?

 

[cdumler7]

I don't think so. I think he would have signed, avoiding all this personal conflict. All reports say he wanted to be paid just more than Suh, not 20 million more. What's stopping him from asking for 90 million now?

Well what is stopping him now is that there is a deadline in just a few hours and if he doesn't sign this deal he either gets $14 million or sits out an entire year during his prime hoping some team offers him something similar next year to what the Broncos are offering him today.

Throw in the Broncos give their best offer and say they decide "well let's see if we can squeeze even more out of them" so now they are making the Broncos sweat it out for a few months and all of a sudden this $70 million guaranteed turns into $80-90 million. See this tactic goes both ways. The team is not the only one trying to get the best deal here.

 

[Broncos6482]

I don't think so. I think he would have signed, avoiding all this personal conflict. All reports say he wanted to be paid just more than Suh, not 20 million more. What's stopping him from asking for 90 million now?

What's stopping him now? Do you mean other than the 2 pm Mountain time deadline they have to get the deal signed?

 

[RobBase]

Well what is stopping him now is that there is a deadline in just a few hours and if he doesn't sign this deal he either gets $14 million or sits out an entire year during his prime hoping some team offers him something similar next year to what the Broncos are offering him today.

So he could have been asking for 90 million this whole time for all we know. I think it's more believable that he's been asking for 70, and only at the eleventh hour is Elway budging.

 

[RobBase]

What's stopping him now? Do you mean other than the 2 pm Mountain time deadline they have to get the deal signed?

That's not stopping him. The Raiders will be happy to give him whatever he wants next year.

 

[Oldschool739]

Agents release most of the contract and almost all of the money information with every contract. What we don't know sometimes are the escalators and when they actually count. The signing bonus, guaranteed money, overall money, work out bonus, practice bonus, and so on are released every time. The reason I say 99% of the contracts is there are sometimes disciplinary things thrown in and such that they usually keep locked up but I doubt your boy Flacco had any of that language in his contract.

And actually I have done the research beyond just these websites. There are plenty of other places those are just the most common ones that are well respected. For having no interest in this whole thing you sure seem to want to talk about it.

Well the terms you used says it pretty clearly that you obviously don't know the entirety of an NFL contract...
Most of, almost all, sometimes....Hello !!!!
Not at all interesting to me, just proving my point that you claim to know more than you actually do..
It's a little thing called "speculation" that you are entrenched in....

 

[Broncos6482]

That's not stopping him. The Raiders will be happy to give him whatever he wants next year.

Let's see, either sit out a year of my prime and hope someone beats that offer next year by a large enough margin to make up for the money I lost out on this year, or play the year on the tag and hope I don't get hurt and hope the Broncos don't tag me again next year, OR I could just sign this huge deal the Broncos offered me now.

Gee, I wonder what decision he'll make...

 

[cdumler7]

Well the terms you used says it pretty clearly that you obviously don't know the entirety of an NFL contract...
Most of, almost all, sometimes....Hello !!!!
Not at all interesting to me, just proving my point that you claim to know more than you actually do..
It's a little thing called "speculation" that you are entrenched in....

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Just say you don't understand contracts in the NFL and let's move on

IF you don't think the information that is released to the public is enough information that is fine but when the information released adds up to the actual NFL numbers for Cap Space available for every team that is actually released by the NFL and NFLPA well I would say these sites have plenty of validity in them breaking down contracts. Just because you don't like what they say about Flacco's contract and him taking some pretty darn big cap hits over the next few years doesn't mean they are wrong.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[RobBase]

Let's see, either sit out a year of my prime and hope someone beats that offer next year by a large enough margin to make up for the money I lost out on this year, or play the year on the tag and hope I don't get hurt and hope the Broncos don't tag me again next year, OR I could just sign this huge deal the Broncos offered me now.

Gee, I wonder what decision he'll make...

Regardless. It's not stopping him for asking for whatever he wants. If not Denver, someone will pay him. Which is why it's silly for Elway to play games with the guy who single handedly won him a SB.

 

[Broncos6482]

Regardless. It's not stopping him for asking for whatever he wants. If not Denver, someone will pay him. Which is why it's silly for Elway to play games with the guy who single handedly won him a SB.

Denver is the only team that can pay him right now, and they can only do that for another 2 1/2 hours. After that, he's either sitting out the year or playing for $14 million.

That's why there's incentive to quit the haggling and get a deal done now that wasn't there a month ago.

 

[RobBase]

Denver is the only team that can pay him right now, and they can only do that for another 2 1/2 hours. After that, he's either sitting out the year or playing for $14 million.

That's why there's incentive to quit the haggling and get a deal done now that wasn't there a month ago.

I understand that. And I think he will sign. I just think Elway could have gotten the deal done a lot easier and earlier by not under valuing his best player. When guys like Vernon Oliver are getting 56 million in the open market, it's silly to try and not give truly elite guys what they're asking.

 

[Oldschool739]

Just say you don't understand contracts in the NFL and let's move on

IF you don't think the information that is released to the public is enough information that is fine but when the information released adds up to the actual NFL numbers for Cap Space available for every team that is actually released by the NFL and NFLPA well I would say these sites have plenty of validity in them breaking down contracts. Just because you don't like what they say about Flacco's contract and him taking some pretty darn big cap hits over the next few years doesn't mean they are wrong.

Now if only you would take your own advice and quit acting like you are some sort of know it all !!!!
Yea, that would be great....

 

[cdumler7]

Now if only you would take your own advice and quit acting like you are some sort of know it all !!!!
Yea, that would be great....

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I don't know it all but NFL contracts are not the most complicated thing in the world to figure out. We get plenty of information released to know how the Contract breaks down. Just because we don't know every word of the contract doesn't mean we don't know enough to actually know how a Contract breaks down.

 

[Broncos6482]

 

[cdumler7]

See everybody focuses on these 2 deals but forgets that the Broncos signed plenty of other players like Okung, Wolfe, Anderson, and others to long-term deals with little to no problems. Really the Osweiler negotiations went nuts when Houston offered a guy with 7-starts $18 million a year. No way the Broncos could match that or should match that.

NFL Network was just talking about how the best offer the Redskins made to Cousins was $16 million per year with only $24 million in guarantees throughout the contract. So I don't think the Broncos made a mistake in their evaluation of Osweiler just that another team was stupid enough to go above and beyond what the market should have been for him.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

NFL Network was just talking about how the best offer the Redskins made to Cousins was $16 million per year with only $24 million in guarantees throughout the contract. So I don't think the Broncos made a mistake in their evaluation of Osweiler just that another team was stupid enough to go above and beyond what the market should have been for him.

Think the Broncos got lucky some team went full retard with Oz. Truely believe they would be regretting paying him 16 million a year. Got to dock Elway for not preparing for life after Elway, he should of known earlier Oz wasn't the answer and drafted someone like Carr for life after Peyton.

 

[cdumler7]

Think the Broncos got lucky some team went full retard with Oz. Truely believe they would be regretting paying him 16 million a year. Got to dock Elway for not preparing for life after Elway, he should of known earlier Oz wasn't the answer and drafted someone like Carr for life after Peyton.

I agree I think they are happy that they didn't get stuck in that contract. I think the Broncos knew Oz was gone long before they made that last offer as he didn't exactly do the best job of hiding that he didn't want to be in Denver any longer. My personal thoughts are they made that last offer to drive up the price for Houston knowing Os wanted out of Denver.

Yeah they probably should have done more to prepare. They have tried multiple avenues though to try and get the QB position filled...Through trade offers, draft pick last year, looking at the FA QB's but honestly part of it for the Broncos was last year when I do think they were not sure on Osweiler (they tried to trade him before the draft in 2015) the QB market in that draft was down right terrible. After the 1st 2 guys in Mariota and Winston I think it was the 3rd round before the next QB went so the Broncos kind of got stuck where they realized Oz wasn't what they were hoping he would become and the QB market just wasn't that great last year.

 

[Oldschool739]

I don't know it all but NFL contracts are not the most complicated thing in the world to figure out. We get plenty of information released to know how the Contract breaks down. Just because we don't know every word of the contract doesn't mean we don't know enough to actually know how a Contract breaks down.

That's because you are the Cap Whisperer, Mr Kotter...