.25 or .20 point per carry for rbs system

[DUB]

Looking for feedback from those who use the ".25 or .20 point per carry for rbs" scoring system and I am also ok with feedback from those who choose not to use this system. Thank you.

League info:
We are a ppr league worth 1 point.
We are a 1 point per 10 yards running or catching.
We are also a 6 point per td pass league.
We do offer yardage bonus as well.
Lineup is: qb, rb, rb, flex (wr or rb), wr, wr, te, k, def.

Now with that said,
I am looking into adding the below point scoring concept into the league:

"ADDING THE .25 OR .20 POINT PER CARRY FOR RBS."

Thanks
-DUB-

 

[TKOSpikes]

I hate ppc. Getting a point for getting stuffed at the LOS makes no sense to me.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Looking for feedback from those who use the ".25 or .20 point per carry for rbs" scoring system and I am also ok with feedback from those who choose not to use this system. Thank you.

League info:
We are a ppr league worth 1 point.
We are a 1 point per 10 yards running or catching.
We are also a 6 point per td pass league.
We do offer yardage bonus as well.
Lineup is: qb, rb, rb, flex (wr or rb), wr, wr, te, k, def.

Now with that said,
I am looking into adding the below point scoring concept into the league:

"ADDING THE .25 OR .20 POINT PER CARRY FOR RBS."

Thanks
-DUB-

This is why I prefer Point per First down over any PPR...

I hate the affect PPR has on runningbacks...

And you clearly want to weaken that affect...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I hate ppc. Getting a point for getting stuffed at the LOS makes no sense to me.

I know it RARELY happens, but it does happen sometimes where you can get a catch and lose yards too...

 

[TKOSpikes]

I know it RARELY happens, but it does happen sometimes where you can get a catch and lose yards too...

Yup. I think yards and touchdowns are sufficient for fantasy.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

when it really comes down to it, you are making those rare bellcow RBs even more valuable while de-valuing the 3rd down backs, who are already getting the PPR bump. So maybe just leveling the playing field between your running RB and you passing RB, which is a fine little twist to try out.

I'm more of a 1st down guy as well, think that rewards something that gets rewarded in real football better than PPR or PPC.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Yup. I think yards and touchdowns are sufficient for fantasy.

I mean, I like differentiating the players that do more during the game... As I don't think Yards and TDs are the only things...

I just feel like the fantasy world hasn't figured it out yet... PPR is not good because it makes players more valuable than better players... I just don't understand that...

So I see what Dub is trying to do... And I like it IF they are not willing to go first down instead... BUT with this new format now it makes running QBs more valuable... So it really is a domino affect...


Half point PPR is probably the best compromise if you don't want to go crazy with more rules... The raise in value in receiving backs is just not that much...

 

[tlance]

when it really comes down to it, you are making those rare bellcow RBs even more valuable while de-valuing the 3rd down backs, who are already getting the PPR bump. So maybe just leveling the playing field between your running RB and you passing RB, which is a fine little twist to try out.

I'm more of a 1st down guy as well, think that rewards something that gets rewarded in real football better than PPR or PPC.

I agree here. This could be a good way to bring back value to 2 down thumper RBs while further enhancing the value of a 3 down back. I like the concept, but TKO's point is a bit troubling.

 

[DUB]

Thanks for taking a moment. I read over the thoughts. I know it's a rabbit hole once you open different scoring options. I have been looking at each position from last season's scoring and doing math figures with different WHAT IFs to see how the numbers change. Which of course during the off-season gets a person to think of ways to balance scoring to keep up with the NFL game.

Only way to make change is to look back at the change this 11 year 12 man league has made in the past. Example PPR came to be 5 or so years ago and I didn't like the thought of a player getting a point for catching the ball. DAMN that's his job to catch it but what he does with it is the KEY. But I've come to enjoy PPR.
Example FLEX when that came in the mix it was odd but over the years again has been a welcomed change. We still don't put the TE in the flex as many flex leagues do.

So again I sit during a off-season and pick the brains of others to see, ponder, and wonder the what IFs....

-DUB-

 

[SteelersPride]

Hate this system

 

[TREFF]

Dub, we do something similar in my money league.
We award one point at ten carries, an additional one point every five carries thereafter up to 25, where it becomes .5 per carry. In today's game, eclipsing 25 is rare, and the few who do it should be rewarded imho.

It balances out the PPR effect quite nicely we think. A RB getting 16 carries and 2-3 receptions is balanced out with the passing back who might get 3 carries and 5 catches, the difference between the 2 will be what they do with the touches as opposed to just the touches, give or take a point here or there

 

[averagejoe]

I wouldn't be opposed to either.
Looking at last year's numbers, only 14 RB had more than 200 rush attempts.
The average of those 14 RB were 243 carries.

@ .20 that would be an additional 48.6 fantasy points. Or about 3 more fantasy points per game.
@ .25 that would be an additional 60.8 fantasy points. Or about 3.8 more fantasy points per game.

Keep in mind, these numbers are for the 14 top RB with the most carries.

The next 30 RB averaged 154.6 attempts.
@ .20 that's an extra 30 pts, or 1.9 pts per game.
@ .25 that's an extra 38.7 pts, or 2.4 pts per game.

Getting a point for getting stuffed at the LOS makes no sense to me.

I see the logic. But there are RB that get credit for catching a pass (PPR) who don't even make it to the LOS as well.

To me the numbers are rather negligible.

 

[DUB]

Treff and AvgJoe
Thanks for the input and thought behind them too!

Treff what site host are you doing this scoring system on? We use CBS for this league.

AvgJoe that's what I was looking at number wise for seeing how the math would change. Thx!!

It just seems currently in the NFL QBs and really WRs are just taking over numbers wise. While RBs not only take a back seat in a passing league but also take a seat to the splitting of carries trend. Not to mention TEs once you get past the top 5 or 7 its a toss up.

It seems to me and I could be wrong of course but didn't PPR come to be years ago to help balance out the difference of rbs and wrs...?

-DUB-

 

[leftypower]

Great to see you are still around Dub - - miss you on the board & MBBRL. ......

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I wouldn't be opposed to either.
Looking at last year's numbers, only 14 RB had more than 200 rush attempts.
The average of those 14 RB were 243 carries.

@ .20 that would be an additional 48.6 fantasy points. Or about 3 more fantasy points per game.
@ .25 that would be an additional 60.8 fantasy points. Or about 3.8 more fantasy points per game.

Keep in mind, these numbers are for the 14 top RB with the most carries.

The next 30 RB averaged 154.6 attempts.
@ .20 that's an extra 30 pts, or 1.9 pts per game.
@ .25 that's an extra 38.7 pts, or 2.4 pts per game.


I see the logic. But there are RB that get credit for catching a pass (PPR) who don't even make it to the LOS as well.

To me the numbers are rather negligible.

I like the idea. Even things out a bit.

 

[TREFF]

Treff and AvgJoe
Thanks for the input and thought behind them too!

Treff what site host are you doing this scoring system on? We use CBS for this league.

AvgJoe that's what I was looking at number wise for seeing how the math would change. Thx!!

It just seems currently in the NFL QBs and really WRs are just taking over numbers wise. While RBs not only take a back seat in a passing league but also take a seat to the splitting of carries trend. Not to mention TEs once you get past the top 5 or 7 its a toss up.

It seems to me and I could be wrong of course but didn't PPR come to be years ago to help balance out the difference of rbs and wrs...?

-DUB-

My fanatasy league.com . .yes we pay for it, but the customization of the scoring system is well worth it

 

[DUB]

Thanks LeftyPower.
Thanks for the reply back Treff.

I'll look to be more active around these parts. I'll update this thread with new information once I get a moment to update some numbers.

-DUB-

 

[DUB]

I have been reading threads and articles about the scoring options between PPR (1pt or .5pt.) the PPFD (points-per-first-down.) And finally the Per Rush/Per Carry option. First off, amazed so much talk has been done about the PPFD and Per Carry options. But the write ups had many thoughts with examples to consider.

I suggest doing a google search yourself if you are thinking of working with any of the above scoring options.

Since our league is a full 1 pt PPR I now see why the WR has taken over vs. the RB. Looking back it might of been better to start off with 1pt for RB, 1.5 for TE and .5 for WR to see how that balanced out not only scoring but in a 12 person league opened up depth on the waiver wire. But since we rock the 1 pt PPR no matter the position.

I've turned over to mauling the PPFD option over the Per Carry option. Maybe a .50 pt for a first down only to running backs and a .20 for first down only to wide outs. Hmmmm..... let the numbers begin.....

-DUB-

 

[icefreeze57]

interesting idea. I think PP Carry and PP Completion change things a lot

 

[DUB]

UPDATE:
Our 12 person league has been talking about this and currently as stated last we won't do point per carry.
The different PPR (currently do 1 point per catch across the board) per position also hasn't gained traction.

Leaving the league with 2 options left:
1. Don't mess with the scoring.
2. Experiment with a .10 point for First Down catch, run, or pass. (.10 allows to see this is action without a big scoring change.)

Thanks for viewing this thread update.
Anyone in a league using PPFD please let me know the league take on this..

-DUB-