New Poll, Same Results: 90% of Native Americans Don't Find "Washington Redskins" Offensive

[Stymietee]

Great poll....562 recognized tribes in the U.S. and a telephone poll of 504 people.

 

[skinsdad62]

Great poll....562 recognized tribes in the U.S. and a telephone poll of 504 people.

Every poll in america is taken like that even the ones you support. I highly doubt the WAPO would skew a poll against their own point of view

 

[Sportster 72]

Great poll....562 recognized tribes in the U.S. and a telephone poll of 504 people.

Knew this was coming from one ore a zillion people who can't admit being wrong. As stated by several people this poll is typical of all polls and because of the broad diversity of people polled was typical of any poll. As any poll there is a spread or potential of difference involved with this poll. It is about 5% so either 8.5 or 9.5 native Americans are not offended by the name Redskins. But like Costas and many others you can tell these folks they are wrong for feeling the way they do.

 

[Stymietee]

="Sportster 72, post: 8417062, member: 5748"]Knew this was coming from one ore a zillion people who can't admit being wrong. As stated by several people this poll is typical of all polls and because of the broad diversity of people polled was typical of any poll. As any poll there is a spread or potential of difference involved with this poll. It is about 5% so either 8.5 or 9.5 native Americans are not offended by the name Redskins. But like Costas and many others you can tell these folks they are wrong for feeling the way they do.[/QUOTE]

Time will tell who's right and wrong about this.

 

[Breed]

Time will tell who's right and wrong about this.

You support a name change, Sty? I certainly don't. Being a lifelong fan of the Redskins, but having no ties whatsoever to the region the Skins call home. The wrong name would fundamentally and possibly drastically change every aspect of connection I have to the team.

But if a name change were to occur. What would you like it to be? I've only come up with one name that I think would work. The Washington Warriors. It flows alright off the lips, not as good as Washington Redskins mind you, but it has a decent enough flow. Plus it would essentially allow the Skins to maintain everything else. The mascot, the color scheme and most importantly. The warrior chief which imo is the greatest emblem in ALL of sports encompassing foreign, domsetic, amateur and professional sports.

 

[j_y19]

="Sportster 72, post: 8417062, member: 5748"]Knew this was coming from one ore a zillion people who can't admit being wrong. As stated by several people this poll is typical of all polls and because of the broad diversity of people polled was typical of any poll. As any poll there is a spread or potential of difference involved with this poll. It is about 5% so either 8.5 or 9.5 native Americans are not offended by the name Redskins. But like Costas and many others you can tell these folks they are wrong for feeling the way they do.

Time will tell who's right and wrong about this.[/QUOTE]
Hmm. So you are one of those that feel that Native Americans aren't smart enough to know what is offensive to them and what is not? Thus they need others to fight the good fight?

I've maintained all along that if the Native American population believed that the name was a slur to them, then it should be changed. But only they can ascertain if it is or not. Clearly they don't find the name offensive. Not only does this poll support that, but the mere fact that many of their own high schools use the Redskins as their team mascot is further proof.

Fortunately for them, they have the Bob Costas and Mike Wises of the world looking out for them.

 

[gkekoa]

I agree with Sty that polls can be misleading.

The problem is...a liberal outlet takes a poll, the misleading would typically go in favor of their point of view. So in this case, it is probably closer to 95% don't find the term offensive.

It is always funny when liberals tell somebody who isn't offended that they should be. You are so dumb you don't even know you should be offended. Truth is...the unoffended are just more mature.

 

[Gatorchip]

I've maintained all along that if the redskin population believed that the name was a slur to them, then it should be changed. But only they can ascertain if it is or not. Clearly redskins don't find the name offensive. Not only does this poll support that, but the mere fact that many of the redskin high schools use the Redskins as their team mascot is further proof.

Fortunately for redskins, they have the Bob Costas and Mike Wises of the world looking out for them.

Fixed it for you

 

[redskinsfan]

="Sportster 72, post: 8417062, member: 5748"]Knew this was coming from one ore a zillion people who can't admit being wrong. As stated by several people this poll is typical of all polls and because of the broad diversity of people polled was typical of any poll. As any poll there is a spread or potential of difference involved with this poll. It is about 5% so either 8.5 or 9.5 native Americans are not offended by the name Redskins. But like Costas and many others you can tell these folks they are wrong for feeling the way they do.

Time will tell who's right and wrong about this.[/QUOTE]

And time has already told that. You're wrong. Now, maybe the term may eventually be deemed by Native Americans and/or society to be offensive as years/decades/centuries pass like it did with terms such as "Oriental" to describe Asians, but that time is long in the offing.

The point about 504 people being poll is moronic. Gallup uses a survey size of 1,000 persons or less to gauge the views of about 250 million adults in this country. I guess you should tell them to close up shop, right? And this latest Poll came from the Post, which has gone on record before and after the poll decrying the Redskins name. The demographic splits in the poll show that every segment of Native American society reflected the overall poll numbers, meaning that if you run a scientific poll again in the next few years, you'll get the same numbers.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Time will tell who's right and wrong about this.

And time has already told that. You're wrong. Now, maybe the term may eventually be deemed by Native Americans and/or society to be offensive as years/decades/centuries pass like it did with terms such as "Oriental" to describe Asians, but that time is long in the offing.

The point about 504 people being poll is moronic. Gallup uses a survey size of 1,000 persons or less to gauge the views of about 250 million adults in this country. I guess you should tell them to close up shop, right? And this latest Poll came from the Post, which has gone on record before and after the poll decrying the Redskins name. The demographic splits in the poll show that every segment of Native American society reflected the overall poll numbers, meaning that if you run a scientific poll again in the next few years, you'll get the same numbers.[/QUOTE]

Ah - don't worry about him. He likes to pretty much complain about anything & everything about the Redskins (or whatever PC term I should be using now). It may not be long before he jumps to the Browns bandwagon (until RG3 fails).

 

[Sportster 72]

The thing about the poll was it was spread across many demographics. Conservative, liberal, age, sex wealth, education etc. Clearly some native American's see it as a slur, but do they change a name for 10% of the people?

I continue to say over and over there are much bigger issues for native Americans. Lets address those instead of the name issue. The other issues would do a lot more good for Indians than making a bunch of people making themselves feel better over a name. My guess is most who are offended by the name have no clue what the other issues are. To me, that is the sad thing.

 

[skinsdad62]

The thing about the poll was it was spread across many demographics. Conservative, liberal, age, sex wealth, education etc. Clearly some native American's see it as a slur, but do they change a name for 10% of the people?

I continue to say over and over there are much bigger issues for native Americans. Lets address those instead of the name issue. The other issues would do a lot more good for Indians than making a bunch of people making themselves feel better over a name. My guess is most who are offended by the name have no clue what the other issues are. To me, that is the sad thing.

this is what ticks me off about some people sportster and you hit it right on the head . changing the name of a high school team college team or pro team doesnt change the plight of the everyday native american . they have changed these "offensive " and native americans still live in poverty . still suffer from social problems like alcohol abuse and unemployment

if amanda blackhorse , mike wise and all the rest spent the time and energy they have spent on the name change debate on actually doing things for native americans then maybe their plight would be much better

its the same BS with the transgender bathroom farce who cares about that when a gay editor in pakistan is killed for who he is and yet you are silent

geez we have the already do nothing congress taking up the peoples time over nonsense . damn how many millions have been wasted on the native american plight over this nonsense

first the polls are old , now it isnt and now they didnt ask enough people even though polls are taken like this and a simple course in statistics would help you with it

the problem is the poll didnt say what they wanted it to say and if it said 65% said it was offensive they would trump that poll like its the end all be all . you know it and i know it

how about the fact that native americans understand its a team name and they arent being called that in a derogatory manner ? i guess they are too dumb to know the difference about intent

 

[Cyder]

My 1/4 native American wife gets very offended when I refer to her as my part native American wife

It's the "wife" part that bothers her

 

[Indrid Cold]

It's the "wife" part that bothers her

As long as the "money" keeps flowing, she "loves" me...

 

[Cyder]

As long as the "money" keeps flowing, she "loves" me...

Don't they all?

 

[redskinsfan]

Yep. Even "supporters" of Native American causes like Ray Halbritton fly first class, sip Chandon in a limo, and never dare to go to a reservation unless it's got a casino with all-you-can-eat seafood buffet.

 

[Stymietee]

You support a name change, Sty? I certainly don't. Being a lifelong fan of the Redskins, but having no ties whatsoever to the region the Skins call home. The wrong name would fundamentally and possibly drastically change every aspect of connection I have to the team.

But if a name change were to occur. What would you like it to be? I've only come up with one name that I think would work. The Washington Warriors. It flows alright off the lips, not as good as Washington Redskins mind you, but it has a decent enough flow. Plus it would essentially allow the Skins to maintain everything else. The mascot, the color scheme and most importantly. The warrior chief which imo is the greatest emblem in ALL of sports encompassing foreign, domsetic, amateur and professional sports.

Yes I do support a name change, I do respect your right and others to have a different POV. A name change just might fundamentally and possibly drastically change every aspect and connection that you have with the team, but I honestly believe if DS decided to do so, like the soap, 99.9 and 3/4% of the team's followers would stick with them. Clearly, the name is not why I have been a supporter of this, my hometown team longer than most on this site, which BTW, is an important distinction from those who call themselves fans (Fanatics).

My objection comes from a very personal event that took someone away from our family when I was a very young man. I'll just say that my mother is 100% Seminole. Her father, my grandfather died with that word scrawled next to him, as in "finally a good........." but he loved this team and so do I, flaws and all. It's tradition!

About that name change, I like Warhawks it literally means those in favor of war. It has two syllables like the current name, which fits into the song nicely (dropping the "s" that follows brave of course) which wouldn't be the first change to that song for all of those PC lamenters. Love the Warrior emblem too, but I would prefer my favorite... an updated spear helmet (maybe gold) keeping in line with the colors which can be kept too.

This is a conversation that I've spent way too much of my time having to defend my POV on this site. I do appreciate the passion that most here attack differing subject matter, but honestly, with respects to this topic I've just about had enough.

 

[Stymietee]

Time will tell who's right and wrong about this.

Hmm. So you are one of those that feel that Native Americans aren't smart enough to know what is offensive to them and what is not? Thus they need others to fight the good fight?

I've maintained all along that if the Native American population believed that the name was a slur to them, then it should be changed. But only they can ascertain if it is or not. Clearly they don't find the name offensive. Not only does this poll support that, but the mere fact that many of their own high schools use the Redskins as their team mascot is further proof.

Fortunately for them, they have the Bob Costas and Mike Wises of the world looking out for them.[/QUOTE]

I am NA

 

[j_y19]

Hmm. So you are one of those that feel that Native Americans aren't smart enough to know what is offensive to them and what is not? Thus they need others to fight the good fight?

I've maintained all along that if the Native American population believed that the name was a slur to them, then it should be changed. But only they can ascertain if it is or not. Clearly they don't find the name offensive. Not only does this poll support that, but the mere fact that many of their own high schools use the Redskins as their team mascot is further proof.

Fortunately for them, they have the Bob Costas and Mike Wises of the world looking out for them.

I am NA[/QUOTE]
If so, then you have every right to express your views and fight for change. Unfortunately it appears you are in a minority within your community as it pertains to this issue.

 

[chillerdab]

First of all, THIS is what he said, and it is absolutely hate speech:

"A man who is a man no matter what they call themselves. I don’t care what they are, who they sleep with, men’s room was designed for the penis, women’s not so much. Now you need laws telling us differently? Pathetic.”

There is no way around that, Skinsdad. It's hateful.

In fact, the reason he was fired is because it was hateful AND crass (especially when accompanied with the picture).

Curt Shilling doesn't understand transgenderism, and is promoting the idiotic fiction that "our women aren't safe now!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!" because he's a moron. and a bigot. and an especially stupid one considering he was recently bankrupt, and there is not doubt that ESPN pays well.

Saying "Hillary Clinton should be in jail" is not hate speech. I agree with you. I'm also not sure how that's relevant to this particular issue.

You are free to expect "fair and balanced" reporting, but that shouldn't include Kurt Schillings mindnumbingly stupid blabberings about bathrooms on ESPN.

He got what he deserved.

saying hillary clinton should be in jail isnt hate speech , posting a tweet with a man dressed up in some awful looking garb and asking the question about it isnt hate speech .

for the record the pic was way over the top and very radical IMO however if you are going to fire one guy for a political view point and state we dont want political view points at our station the you have to do the same to the other point of view

i expect fair and balanced reporting and not some ideologue driven BS

to say that a man or woman should use the restroom that corresponds to their current anatomy isnt so bad is it . i am not saying that transgenders are some sex predators waiting for my wife and children to pounce on however people can use this for their own gain and advantage and we should look at that

a simple solution is to have a family / unisex bathroom to use and both sides are protected however some people just want to force people to do things for reasons of power

now not at any point did i call a liberal stupid because of their point of view but i certainly held them accountable for their lack of openness

for the record liberals and conservatives are not stupid .