So we were taking Kelly

[deanpet21]

Need to Know: Needs are low on McCloughan’s list of draft considerations

 

[gkekoa]

If he was that desperate for Kelly, why wouldn't he have traded ahead of IND who we all knew was taking him?

Not saying he was never on the radar but unless SM says his target was Kelly and he settled for Doctson, then it isn't proof.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

What more do you need? Insiders said he would have taken Kelly if he was there a 21. Nobody said he was so desperate that he felt compelled to give away picks to get the guy. I said all along I would have been fine with the pick. But I'm also fine with the picks he did end up making.

But good God are we in bad shape at center. I still can't believe Ribeye is still on this team.

 

[deanpet21]

If he was that desperate for Kelly, why wouldn't he have traded ahead of IND who we all knew was taking him?

Not saying he was never on the radar but unless SM says his target was Kelly and he settled for Doctson, then it isn't proof.

Sm is not the type to give up picks but this proves that if Kelly was there at 21 he would of took him.

 

[Sportster 72]

It proves nothing. There is a lot of assumption there and as soon as I read the article I knew you were going to follow with a "it proves" thread.

He might have. But WR was always in play with two FAs to be next year. Center and guard are not positions you often see drafted in the 1st round. It happens. MAYBE if he was still on the board but that article is NOT proof. Unless SM comes out and says "I was hoping to get Kelly but he was gone" then you will never have proof.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Sm is not the type to give up picks but this proves that if Kelly was there at 21 he would of took him.

Why do you care? The Redskins now have a very good WR & will work the OL and other areas over the next several months and years. Remember - this is all part of a multi-year plan.

 

[j_y19]

Sm is not the type to give up picks but this proves that if Kelly was there at 21 he would of took him.

dean, its statements like this that get people jumping all over you. A reporter's opinion of a situation proves nothing. Its just his analysis. I can point you to numerous other articles by Tandler that said SM would do other things that never happened. Could it be accurate? Absolutely. Does his opinion make it accurate? Absolutely not. If we have learned anything from SM it is he keeps his actions very close to the vest and I'd venture to say the only ones that really know what SM intended are people very close to him (Gruden, Allen, and thats about it) and ones that he trust won't reveal his plans.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Again I find myself agreeing with Dean. He went on for weeks about this idea, when an article surfaced that backed his position what's the big deal about pointing it out to those who disagreed with his position? What is the point in questioning these reports, did you guys do the same when it was reported that Amari Cooper was at the top of SM's board last year? The writer heard it from several "reliable" people inside the organization who have zero reason to lie about it.

NO GM is ever going to say "yeah we really wanted Kelly but he was picked before us so we settled for Doctson" which is exactly how it would have sounded had he made the comment Sportster is suggesting is needed for "proof".

 

[Sharkinva]

Again I find myself agreeing with Dean. He went on for weeks about this idea, when an article surfaced that backed his position what's the big deal about pointing it out to those who disagreed with his position? What is the point in questioning these reports, did you guys do the same when it was reported that Amari Cooper was at the top of SM's board last year?

NO GM is ever going to say "yeah we really wanted Kelly but he was picked before us so we settled for Doctson" which is exactly how it would have sounded had he made the comment Sportster is suggesting is needed for "proof".

Actually one GM did it...

Jerry Jones lost sleep over missing out on Paxton Lynch

Just sayin

 

[j_y19]

Again I find myself agreeing with Dean. He went on for weeks about this idea, when an article surfaced that backed his position what's the big deal about pointing it out to those who disagreed with his position? What is the point in questioning these reports, did you guys do the same when it was reported that Amari Cooper was at the top of SM's board last year? The writer heard it from several "reliable" people inside the organization who have zero reason to lie about it.

NO GM is ever going to say "yeah we really wanted Kelly but he was picked before us so we settled for Doctson" which is exactly how it would have sounded had he made the comment Sportster is suggesting is needed for "proof".

So you believe Tandler unequivocally? He got his info from whom? BTW, I don't discount it could be accurate, but it is by no means proof.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I have no reason to doubt the report and neither do you. Again why would these inside guys lie? Help me understand the logic behind that.

OK so "proof" may have been too strong but it's damn strong evidence. As strong as you will ever get. Again no GM will ever say he really wanted this guy but he was taken, what does that say about the player he did select? Jerry Jones is not a GM by the way. He lost sleep over not drafting Manziel too. SM is way to savvy to ever do that. Let's not forget Dean argued this idea for a month so why wouldn't he want to show those who doubted him?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I have no reason to doubt the report and neither do you. Again why would these inside guys lie? Help me understand the logic behind that.

OK so "proof" may have been too strong but it's damn strong evidence. As strong as you will ever get. Again no GM will ever say he really wanted this guy but he was taken, what does that say about the player he did select? Jerry Jones is not a GM by the way. He lost sleep over not drafting Manziel too. SM is way to savvy to ever do that. Let's not forget Dean argued this idea for a month so why wouldn't he want to show those who doubted him?

Really? Don't know about you, but I just want to see the Redskins do well & have these picks contribute. Are some folks here mainly just interested in being right? If so - let it go already. Time to look towards the future.

 

[redskinsfan]

FWIW, Grant Paulsen of The Fan reported the same thing. I'm not sure why this would be a big surprise since center is a need and Kelly was a damn good center. What I find heartening is that Scot, despite our need for center, decided to go with our board and pass up other like Tuerk and Boehm in the process. I've also heard that they may try Long at center. If that's true, not sure how that experiment will work out. Further, may Rib Eye may be better with one season at center under his belt. This might be wishful thinking, but Scot did re-sign him albeit not long term.

 

[deanpet21]

thank you for the support dgfan. This article is for all the guys saying I was out to lunch about getting Kelly at 21 and he was a reach at 21. It looks like option one was to draft Kelly. Option two was to try to trade with Dallas and get a lot of picks out of the trade. Option three was to draft Doctson. jy19, I love how you take this article like a grain of salt.

 

[kbso83432]

When I saw that Scot continued to pass on DE's and DT's, I couldn't help but assume Kelly or Joseph was at the top of his board. You weren't crazy after all dean. lol

 

[Caliskinsfan]

You can listen to Scot on the audio vault on ESPN 980 with the redskins app. He spoke to Kevin and Cooley this morning. Here's what he said regarding Kelly...

"I like Ryan Kelly a lot. Not saying for sure I would have pulled the trigger but he's a really good football player. Again, another guy who stepped on campus from day 1 at a big university and a big time program and played well. That would have been a good pick. If we had went that route, that would have been a good pick, yes"

 

[Caliskinsfan]

A few other tidbits from the interview...

- philosophy of 'go with the board', no matter what happens. Get the 'football player' you have rated highest.
- Scot works the board, Allen works the phone with his contacts
- said Su'a was the definition of 'football player', may not have the height, speed or arms as long, but he makes plays.
- sees Fuller returning 100%. Thinks he is very intriguing and could be the steal In the third.

 

[j_y19]

thank you for the support dgfan. This article is for all the guys saying I was out to lunch about getting Kelly at 21 and he was a reach at 21. It looks like option one was to draft Kelly. Option two was to try to trade with Dallas and get a lot of picks out of the trade. Option three was to draft Doctson. jy19, I love how you take this article like a grain of salt.

you've missed my point completely if you think that is what I'm doing.

 

[j_y19]

You can listen to Scot on the audio vault on ESPN 980 with the redskins app. He spoke to Kevin and Cooley this morning. Here's what he said regarding Kelly...

"I like Ryan Kelly a lot. Not saying for sure I would have pulled the trigger but he's a really good football player. Again, another guy who stepped on campus from day 1 at a big university and a big time program and played well. That would have been a good pick. If we had went that route, that would have been a good pick, yes"

Well, now. Straight from the horses mouth. So much for proof.

 

[Sportster 72]

All we or more accurately I was saying is Tandler's article isn't proof. I don't remember seeing anyone say dean was wrong other than to say he had proof. I am sticking with that. Kelly could have been a good pick but to say he was SM's first choice is unknown. I won't change my mind that Tandler knew that and no one else did.