2015-16 NBA Eastern Conference OFFICIAL THREAD

[bksballer89]

He signed with Maverick.

He's getting paid by the Cavs.

I think we're going to see a trend of most of Lebron cavs teammates signing with Rich Paul so they can kind of force the Cavs to give them more than they're worth.

Delly is next

 

[bksballer89]

i never said it was impossible for Whiteside to grow

I think the thing that you cant get through your pea brain - which i have repeated literally DOZENS of times- is that you are trying to compare Whiteside to the best centers in the entire game--- Im not even calling Jr Smith a top 50- probably not a top 75 player...hes probably the 5th or 6th mosti mportant Cav.


With Whiteside?--- even the other day- I think i Listed like 8 centers Id rather have....based on less than 2 years back in the league after being blackballed- AND even considering his discipline problems- i personally think that is a freaking GENEROUS ranking considering how many guys in the NBA are great players AND have the right attitude/work ethic/leadership qualities.

Whiteside actually is putting up numbers well enough where it won't be crazy to compare him to the best centers in the league

 

[trojanfan12]

JR Smith can grow but impossible for Whiteside to grow. He's still the same person he was when he got drafted 5 years ago

Apparently so. Of course, if he went to the Cavs, he'd be instantly transformed into a great player and solid citizen.

And did you see where this dipshit tried to call my credibility into question for pointing out his hypocrisy? Freaking hilarious.

 

[WiggyRuss]

and not only that- but the criteria on the Whiteside thing --- if the question is- who would you rather have going forward? is a much different question than "who has the most potential"...and even a different question is "who would help your team win the most"....


How I grade that question of who is better- is who I would rather have going forward- in the actual NBA--- having to consider talent (first and foremost), age, contract, leadership, attitude, work ethic, fit etc.

and when I do that- Whiteside is not near the top of the list for centers....hes closer to somewhere from 7th to 12th...in my book anyway....your criteria may be very different from mine- and thats fine...whatever floats your boat.

 

[Mecca]

I think we're going to see a trend of most of Lebron cavs teammates signing with Rich Paul so they can kind of force the Cavs to give them more than they're worth.

Delly is next

All bullshit aside, how is this not a conflict of interest?

Yeah, he is Bron's agent.

But, he's also his business partner.

Lrmr, their company, has their hands in a lot of cookie jars

They have the agency, they are doing movies, tv shows etc...

This money is ending up in Bron's pocket, one way or another.

 

[WiggyRuss]

for some reason bksballer seems to insist just because i think Whiteside isnt the best center that ever lived that i think hes gawd-awful...its just such a bullshit false narrative...Whiteside has TONS of potential--- but obviously for a good long time he squandered it.

Now- hes gotten a second chance...it just REALLY puts a bad taste in my mouth to see some asshole get a second chance just because he is a freak of nature- and than proceed to STILL act like a freaking clown...it just baffles my mind that someone could be stupid.

5 years from now Whiteside is going to be 31....seriously- I think there is a 50/50 chance he is not even in the league by then- and it has nothing to do with how talented he is.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I think we're going to see a trend of most of Lebron cavs teammates signing with Rich Paul so they can kind of force the Cavs to give them more than they're worth.

Delly is next

I dunno...Rich Paul just signed Simmons...it seems like he is getting more and more high profile guys- im betting more than just Cavs sign up with him. Pretty crazy. LeBron holds a lot of sway with these younger guys....A LOT...

 

[Mecca]

and not only that- but the criteria on the Whiteside thing --- if the question is- who would you rather have going forward? is a much different question than "who has the most potential"...and even a different question is "who would help your team win the most"....


How I grade that question of who is better- is who I would rather have going forward- in the actual NBA--- having to consider talent (first and foremost), age, contract, leadership, attitude, work ethic, fit etc.

and when I do that- Whiteside is not near the top of the list for centers....hes closer to somewhere from 7th to 12th...in my book anyway....your criteria may be very different from mine- and thats fine...whatever floats your boat.

The answer to all those questions is the same.

But, you'll never admit it.

I happen to agree with you about Tristans contract.

Compared to what guys are gonna get this summer, it's reasonable.

When guys like Myers Leonard are getting 17 mil, that will be obvious to all.

Plus, a guy is worth whatever a Team is willing to pay them.

With that being said....

There is no legitimate basketball scenario that I would take Tristan over Whiteside.

None.

 

[bksballer89]

for some reason bksballer seems to insist just because i think Whiteside isnt the best center that ever lived that i think hes gawd-awful...its just such a bullshit false narrative...Whiteside has TONS of potential--- but obviously for a good long time he squandered it.

Now- hes gotten a second chance...it just REALLY puts a bad taste in my mouth to see some asshole get a second chance just because he is a freak of nature- and than proceed to STILL act like a freaking clown...it just baffles my mind that someone could be stupid.

5 years from now Whiteside is going to be 31....seriously- I think there is a 50/50 chance he is not even in the league by then- and it has nothing to do with how talented he is.

Only way Whiteside is not in the league in 5 years is if he get in trouble off the court which I highly doubt since from what I know he has never been arrested since he was drafted. I don't think one flagrant 2 per year and 3 or 4 T's per year is going to get him kicked out of the league. He's also a great student and is willing to listen and learn from his coaches.

 

[Mecca]

for some reason bksballer seems to insist just because i think Whiteside isnt the best center that ever lived that i think hes gawd-awful...its just such a bullshit false narrative...Whiteside has TONS of potential--- but obviously for a good long time he squandered it.

Now- hes gotten a second chance...it just REALLY puts a bad taste in my mouth to see some asshole get a second chance just because he is a freak of nature- and than proceed to STILL act like a freaking clown...it just baffles my mind that someone could be stupid.

5 years from now Whiteside is going to be 31....seriously- I think there is a 50/50 chance he is not even in the league by then- and it has nothing to do with how talented he is.

I mean, he hasn't killed anyone.

JR can't say the same.

If Dante Stallworth gets a do over........

If we are talking about headaches....

Cousins, Barnes are far worse...

 

[bksballer89]

Going by Wiggy standards, Matt Barnes should have been out of the league several years ago

 

[trojanfan12]

All bullshit aside, how is this not a conflict of interest?

Yeah, he is Bron's agent.

But, he's also his business partner.

Lrmr, their company, has their hands in a lot of cookie jars

They have the agency, they are doing movies, tv shows etc...

This money is ending up in Bron's pocket, one way or another.

I don't think it would be a true conflict of interest because Lebron is a player. If the Cavs were in business with Lebron's agency and were requiring/pressuring guys into signing with Lebron's agency, then you'd have a conflict of interest because the Cavs are their employer (even though we all know that everyone in that organization really works for Lebron, including Dan Gilbert lol).

 

[bksballer89]

I knew these Bulls would be annoying tonight

 

[Mecca]

Going by Wiggy standards, Matt Barnes should have been out of the league several years ago

That's what I call a cancer, on and off the court.

That crap he said to Harden's mom was the final straw for me.

P.o.s.

 

[trojanfan12]

With that being said....

There is no legitimate basketball scenario that I would take Tristan over Whiteside.

None.

And that's the thing. Whether or not folks agree on TT being worth that kind of money, everyone knows that the Cavs HAD to give it to him. It kept Lebron happy and Lebron being happy is the reason they are in position to be contenders.

But to try and suggest, as Wiggy has, that TT is better than Whiteside is pretty delusional.

 

[trojanfan12]

I don't think one flagrant 2 per year and 3 or 4 T's per year is going to get him kicked out of the league.

Shit, if that were the case, Kobe would have been out of the league years ago. Dude was always among the top of the league in getting T's. It's his farewell tour and I wouldn't be surprised if he has more T's than Whiteside.

 

[WiggyRuss]

The answer to a those questions are the same.

But, you'll never admit it.

I happen to agree with you about Tristans contract.

Compared to what guys are gonna get this summer, it's reasonable.

When guys like Myers Leonard are getting 17 mil, that will be obvious to all.

Plus, a guy is worth whatever a Team is willing to pay them.

With that being said....

There is no legitimate basketball scenario that I would take Tristan over Whiteside.

None.

if your an NBA GM and your trying to decide where to dedicate between 18-24% of your entire payroll for the next 4 years- and

you have Tristan Thompson- a guy who is the NBA leader in consecutive games played, never gets hurt, is an A+ teammate, has an A+ attitude, proved that he could rise to the occasion in the playoffs, who is an A rebounder, an A+ offensive rebounder, a versatile defender that can extend out to the perimeter, and who is still young enough where he could make major improvements- not only that- but the Best Player in the World loves playing with him.

or

A center who has the POTENTIAL to be a multi-time all star. A center who WILL finish top 5 (probably higher) in rebounding for now until the foreseeable future (as long as hes on the court). A guy who is the premier shot blocker in the league- he is also a traditional center that cant switch and has a very hard time defending bigs that can extend out.- this is a guy that you will have to babysit. This is a guy that was blackballed from the league for having a poor attitude and poor work ethic- and now that he is back EVEN BEFORE he gets his pay day- he has had 3 incidents where he has thugged it up- one of these incidents happened just LESS than 2 months ago.


you can get Thompson for something like 2-5 less million per year.

obviously each side has its own risks and reward. The risk that thompson will not perform for his contract is obviously minuscule. He never gets hurt. Has a famous work ethic and attitude. Hes young enough were there is zero risk that 4 years is too long of a deal. Signing him the year BEFORE the cap skyrockets will give him some value in the last couple years of his deal in all likelihood.

Whiteside obviously is a lot more risky. If my team SUCKED and i needed a jump start it would be tempting to say screw it and take the risk because of the potential- however you would need to have a lot of good veteran leadership in place. Giving him a 4 year deal REALLY takes away any leverage you have with the guy though. I think a team like the Mavericks- with Dirk and CArlisle and co- Whiteside could be a very good fit. Miami is one of the better fits too really- as long as Wade sticks around (or if/when Bosh comes back).

If you think Whiteside will be on his best behavior, take a GUARANTEED 80 million dollars, and that will only make him work HARDER....if you think that instead of having to be babysat- he will turn into a leader of men and be someone you can depend on--- its probably not a difficult answer--

I certainly dont think that way.

Thats why- if i was building a team- i take Tristan Thompson over Whiteside and let some other team and GM worry and risk about a quarter of their payroll on such a bigtime risk.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I mean, he hasn't killed anyone.

JR can't say the same.

If Dante Stallworth gets a do over........

If we are talking about headaches....

Cousins, Barnes are far worse...

Jr Smith killed someone?

 

[trojanfan12]

Jr Smith killed someone?

In 2007, he was speeding with friends in the car. He blew through a stop sign, had a wreck and his friend in the backseat was killed. He was found responsible for it and sentenced to some jail time.

 

[WiggyRuss]

In 2007, he was speeding with friends in the car. He blew through a stop sign, had a wreck and his friend in the backseat was killed. He was found responsible for it and sentenced to some jail time.

man thats awful...im gonna look it up...i mean- now that you guys mention it- its kinda ringing a bell....that was along time ago though.....

so long in fact- 2007 was the last time the Cavs were in the Finals- the Indians were in the ALCS, the Browns won 10 games that year- i lived in an apartment a couple blocks away from Progressive Field and never had a more successful year with the ladies...it was a GOOD year....all thinks likely to never- or RARELY ever converge together again..lol