Colin Kaepernick

[cdumler7]

You and others have to understand that not everyone is just falling all over themselves to help out the Broncos. Being the Super Bowl Champion does not endear a team to others. Bronco fans love their team and often have a really difficult time realizing that because things worked out for them in past does not guarantee the same now or in the future. San Francisco is not going to give Kap away. Why the hell should they pay any portion of his salary to let him play in Denver. According to ESPN and CBS the deal isn't even close to being complete. The 49ers according to one report is not going to take a 4th round pick and pay $5.6M of the salary. The Jets may only be $2M under the cap, but they're a bit crazy and don't even have a QB on their roster. Giving up a 3rd round pick and clearing a few pieces off their roster would be fairly easy if they can't get Fitzpatrick for less than $15M.

Everyone wants to win. Some more than others. Some of those others want it so bad because they have to deal with other things in their divisions, they're willing to do almost anything. The 49ers may appear to be painted into a corner, but they don't really have to do anything. If they think Elway is getting desperate, they can just keep saying "no". If he's truly set on getting Kap, he'll have to pay.......if not, he can try to get Fitz for 3 years $45M.

None of us think the Broncos are entitled to anything. Now having said that they have shown for many years to have a top notch facility, a great city that players want to stay in, and a FO that has shown they want to win. Now obviously not every player cares as much about all those things but there are those that do which is why we got Chris Harris and Derek Wolfe signed for cheaper than what they could have gotten on the open market because they loved Denver and what this team is about.

As for the 49ers why take some of the Cap Hit? Well they have the most cap space in the entire league and a player that wants nothing to do with them on the roster eating up a decent size of the cap. So makes sense if a team is willing to give you anything for that player to then decide to take the deal. Throw in the longer he is on their roster the more he keeps costing them such as they had to give him a $400,000 bonus today for showing up for the first practice. So if they are dead serious on this kid being gone then it makes sense to trade him now before he keeps costing your team more money.

Right now it sounds like the 2 teams have at least come to an agreement on the compensation side of the deal. Just waiting to see how much Kap really wants out of San Fran as it sounds like he is playing chicken with the 49ers seeing if they will just pay part of his salary so he doesn't have to take a pay cut.

 

[Southieinnc]

It seems there is some gamesmanship going on between the 9ers and Kaep. This is really a dumb thing to do if you are really trying to get him to stick. Dumb would be the norm for SF.
Kaep seems like the best player available. I am one that blames most of his issues on SF chaos.

Note: Abusing the SB champions really is the closest thing to smart you'll get out of the 9ers at this time.....

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Will Kap attend the first OTA on Monday and collect his bonus. Injrued and he'll collect his entire salary and no trade value, Be interesting to see what happens tomorrow.

Yep he showed up.

 

[BigKen]

CBS is reporting that Colin Kaepernick has refused to take any pay cut, thus the potential trade between the San Francisco 49ers and Denver Broncos is now dead. He will also receive a $400,000 work out bonus for perfect attendance along with his guaranteed $11,000,000 salary.

 

[cdumler7]

CBS is reporting that Colin Kaepernick has refused to take any pay cut, thus the potential trade between the San Francisco 49ers and Denver Broncos is now dead. He will also receive a $400,000 work out bonus for perfect attendance along with his guaranteed $11,000,000 salary.

It is far from dead. All this has done is cause a Mexican Stand Off between Kaepernick, the Broncos, and 49ers. There are 2 important dates fast approaching. The first is April 18th. That is when the Broncos begin their first practices. Good chance that will be a cut off date for the Broncos as they will want him at those first meetings. Another that could come into play would be April 27th (the day before the draft). Kaepernick on the team changes a lot of what the Broncos probably do in those first few rounds of the draft so they will want to have something decided by then.

 

[Southieinnc]

Report: Kaepernick refuses pay cut, no deal with Broncos

 

[58crash]

If he does not want to be a Bronco I am damn fine with that .. Perfect I did not want his ass any how ..

 

[Mingo]

The Broncos only have Sanchez for one year - so Kaepernick can keep his $11 million and get cut next season and the Broncos will still - maybe - need a QB.

Although - I don't think Elway goes back to the same well after a bad taste.

 

[megalodon30]

The Broncos only have Sanchez for one year - so Kaepernick can keep his $11 million and get cut next season and the Broncos will still - maybe - need a QB.

Although - I don't think Elway goes back to the same well after a bad taste.

Man, if that happened and Elway wanted nothing to do with him next offseason, Kaep would be kicking himself silly blowing the chance to come to the reigning SB champs and away from playing second fiddle to Blaine Gabbert on a losing team.

Could get shunned by 2 QBs this offseason because of money, and I don't think it'll work out well for either of them.

 

[primetime714]

Can't blame anyone involved here. Kaep doesn't have to take less because the money is guaranteed and the 49ers are saying they won't cut him. No one in their right mind willingly gives up that much of their salary unless their current working conditions are unbearable. Yes, Denver presents a better opportunity for him, but he's risking a decent amount if he does that. Especially since its a make or break year for him regardless of where he plays as both the Broncos and 49ers are likely to draft QBs they hope to groom as starters.

Can't blame the 49ers for feeling its better to keep him than to pay him to play elsewhere.

Can't blame Denver for not having the salary cap room to make his current salary work.

Hopefully something changes though. Kaep offers significantly more upside than anyone we currently have at QB. If JE can find the cap space I think his current salary is not that bad.

 

[58crash]

Well Clady will gone by or during the draft 11 mil or close to that .. If Von would sign a long term we might see Relief this year my guess is right now he is being a charge around 18 Mil a year ..

 

[cdumler7]

Well Clady will gone by or during the draft 11 mil or close to that .. If Von would sign a long term we might see Relief this year my guess is right now he is being a charge around 18 Mil a year ..

Clady gives us $8.9 million in actual cap relief after you account for his dead money. Von is counting for $14.1 million in cap space right now with his Franchise Tag number. Now the Broncos could do something similar to what the Chiefs did last year with Houston of having his first year Cap Hit be $6 million. That does mean though that future years are hit hard and it goes against the way Elway has ever designed a contract. Most likely he tries to keep that first year hit right where it is of the $14.1 million. Maybe a million or two lower but that is about it.

No if the Broncos really need to what they could do is go talk to DT. They could turn his $13 million in base salary into a signing bonus. They could keep it at $1 million base salary and with the signing bonus then being spread throughout the contract that would mean his salary cap hit would be $6.2 million instead of $15.2 million this year. Gives us an extra $9 million to work with combined with Clady most likely being cut gives us quite a bit of freedom.

 

[58crash]

Maybe we can lump sum a lot of the fist

Clady gives us $8.9 million in actual cap relief after you account for his dead money. Von is counting for $14.1 million in cap space right now with his Franchise Tag number. Now the Broncos could do something similar to what the Chiefs did last year with Houston of having his first year Cap Hit be $6 million. That does mean though that future years are hit hard and it goes against the way Elway has ever designed a contract. Most likely he tries to keep that first year hit right where it is of the $14.1 million. Maybe a million or two lower but that is about it.

No if the Broncos really need to what they could do is go talk to DT. They could turn his $13 million in base salary into a signing bonus. They could keep it at $1 million base salary and with the signing bonus then being spread throughout the contract that would mean his salary cap hit would be $6.2 million instead of $15.2 million this year. Gives us an extra $9 million to work with combined with Clady most likely being cut gives us quite a bit of freedom.

Thanks I should of realized dead money .. Von must be LB'er instead of DE ? I thought DE was more ?

 

[cdumler7]

Maybe we can lump sum a lot of the fist



Thanks I should of realized dead money .. Von must be LB'er instead of DE ? I thought DE was more ?

You are right the FT for the DE is higher ($15.4 million). So the Broncos lucked out just a bit that they were able to call him a Linebacker.

 

[MrDoc420]

Get those Sanchez jersey's on the presses. If we have to ride or die with the "buttfumbler" so be it. I've seen the dude do good things before, so I know that he is capable. Wouldn't it be a Cinderella story for him to come to Denver and re-emerge in the 2nd half of his career? Draft a young kid and let's get to camp.

 

[randymon]

You are right the FT for the DE is higher ($15.4 million). So the Broncos lucked out just a bit that they were able to call him a Linebacker.

That`s what is amazing. The dif between todays LB and DE is only about stance and 1/2 a yard if that.. One is upright,one in 3 point stance and one is on line of scrimmage and the other just off. I think that`s why the term "edge rusher" has emerged.

 

[Duffman]

Von is classified as a LB because we use a 3-4, when we were a 4-3 he was a DE, just like Ware.

 

[randymon]

Von is classified as a LB because we use a 3-4, when we were a 4-3 he was a DE, just like Ware.

exactly. and if Denver went 4-3 Malik is a DT not a DE. I`am a guessing a player like Von gets his classification on "snap" count. In a season if he lines-up more in 3-4, he gets in the LB pay scale. If he lined up more in the 4-3 he would get DE pay scale. Right? Wrong?

 

[CEH]

So does Elway want Kap to come in and complete or does he expect Kap to be the starting QB?
Pretty sure starting QBs make more than $7MM nowadays unless you are on a rookie contract.

 

[SpringStein]

So does Elway want Kap to come in and complete or does he expect Kap to be the starting QB?
Pretty sure starting QBs make more than $7MM nowadays unless you are on a rookie contract.

I think he will be expected to start. Will there be competition? Sure. But it would be a surprise if he wasnt the opening day starter. (at least to me)