Russell Okung

[HaroldSeattle]

Did anybody else see this about Okung's contract where he could still be cut and not earn a single dollar from them.

If he doesn't preform in 90% of off season workouts, he doesn't get his million dollar workout bonus.
A 2.5 million roster bonus if he makes the 53 man roster.
A 2 million base salary.

So basically it sounds like if he gets hurt during off season programs and can't play during preseason games, there's a chance he could get left off the roster and not see any money. I wish him the best but he better wrap himself in bubble plastic. I saw this on PFT.

Now that details have come out, it certainly places all the risk on Okung. He should fire his agent.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Now that details have come out, it certainly places all the risk on Okung. He should fire his agent.

I was stunned at the details cause honestly I don't think his ankles can do 90% of off season work. I highly doubt Seattle made him do half that just to keep him fresh for training camp and regular season. Agreed, huge risk on his part. Now I would like to know what the other teams numbers were cause out of 5 teams, at least someone had to have some up front money even if he didn't pan out.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I was stunned at the details cause honestly I don't think his ankles can do 90% of off season work. I highly doubt Seattle made him do half that just to keep him fresh for training camp and regular season. Agreed, huge risk on his part. Now I would like to know what the other teams numbers were cause out of 5 teams, at least someone had to have some up front money even if he didn't pan out.

I'd love to hear what all the offers were, especially the Seahawks if they indeed made him a offer ( I think they did). I did hear the Steelers offer had zero guarantees, course that's a rumor, but may have some merit.

 

[chf]

Not a lot $ or high draft choices invested at the moment, yet the year they won the SuperBowl they had 3 first round picks starting on the OL, that was only3 years ago. Time to start using those first round picks again for the OL and quit trading away first round picks for receivers.

Okay, sure. But that's exactly why I say it's going to take some time. It's going to take (if everything falls perfectly) 3 years to get 3 1st rounders back on the O-line. So let's say 2 tackles and a mauler of a guard... since you can draft good centers later than round one.

We're never ever going to deviate completely from the BPA theory.

So, if we're picking in the 20's, and say there's 3 LT's rated as 1st rounders by John and P and the staff, then if all 3 are gone by the time we pick, we're NOT going to spend a 1st round pick on a guy that won't go until round two or three. Instead we'll pick a DB or a safety or a WR (or whomever is BPA).

So it might even be four or five years before we get 3 round 1 guys on our O-line.

So do I expect J+P to throw some serious resources at the draft at the o-line? Absolutely I do. But it's still going to take some time before we rebuild it. And as we invest more money in it, that money will come at th expense of somewhere else.

 

[MrS]

Im for trading up in the first to get our guy, we have a lot of picks and will have a lot next year too

 

[Uhsplit]

I say no way do we reach for a OT in this draft.
Harold, it is obvious the boss of this team values D 1st.
Our 2 main FA's to sign were Rubin and Lane even though we had no stud at LT.
D will win the big game and that is what I am sold on.
Look at how well Rawls did with the worst OL in the league. RW finished with his best year as a pro with the worst OL in the league.
Teams with great OL' lose their QB's to injury.
An average + OL should cost $15 or $20 million. Which defensive starters get cut to pay for the OL?

 

[Uhsplit]

Im for trading up in the first to get our guy, we have a lot of picks and will have a lot next year too

We would have to give up our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd picks to move up to about the 15th spot. Our FO would have to be absolutely sold on a guy to do that. I would be surprised to see our FO do that. Apparently last years rookie tackles got smoked, all of them.

 

[cdumler7]

Also remember OL players are not usually coming in ready to start even 1st round picks. There is a great article showing how almost all of the OT's taken in the past 5 years (since the new CBA was signed) took until year 3 to even be an average starter in the league. It is the slowest developing position in the NFL right now.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I'd love to hear what all the offers were, especially the Seahawks if they indeed made him a offer ( I think they did). I did hear the Steelers offer had zero guarantees, course that's a rumor, but may have some merit.

Not sure how true this is but conflicting reports now have the Hawks FO never making an offer. Now i'm intrigued if that report is true or false.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

But that's exactly why I say it's going to take some time. It's going to take (if everything falls perfectly) 3 years to get 3 1st rounders back on the O-line.

Sort of depends who falls to them. My pick would be Decker, but I think there's a good chance he's gone. I think the Seahawks choice will be Germain Ifedi, someone I wrote off as another slow footed hulk, but after reading about him I'm coming around that this guy is a special athlete with decent tape. I can see the Seahawks picking up another good linemen like Connor McGovern to go with Gilliam and Glowinski to form a decent OL. True it won't have 3 first round talent, but this could form a decent OL...maybe.

So, if we're picking in the 20's, and say there's 3 LT's rated as 1st rounders by John and P and the staff, then if all 3 are gone by the time we pick, we're NOT going to spend a 1st round pick on a guy that won't go until round two or three. Instead we'll pick a DB or a safety or a WR (or whomever is BPA).

Despite all my hand wringing, I think the Seahawks can find a OT they like in the first round.

But it's still going to take some time before we rebuild it.

Could be, I've said as much.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Not sure how true this is but conflicting reports now have the Hawks FO never making an offer. Now i'm intrigued if that report is true or false.

I think this report came about because they pulled their offer, there for he went to Denver without a offer from the Seahawks, but who knows...right?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I say no way do we reach for a OT in this draft.

I certainly hope not, plenty of good looking LTs in the draft, hopefully the Seahawks don't misjudge this draft like last year and end up reaching for the last guy on their list.

Our 2 main FA's to sign were Rubin and Lane even though we had no stud at LT.

I'm still convince the Seahawks were trying hard to sign Okung to a contract they felt was fair considering his history, but I could be way off base here.

D will win the big game and that is what I am sold on.

The team will win the big game. If a offense goes 3 and out to often the D will wear down. If the offense can move the chains and score giving the D a lead...well this leads to good thing for the D.

Teams with great OL' lose their QB's to injury.

Teams with crappy pass blocking lose their QB more often and also cause the QB to make foolish decisions which lead to loses. No way any team discounts having a OL that can pass block. Saying good blocking OL doesn't guarantee the QB won't get hurt is like someone driving a 120 mph saying someone can have a accident driving the speed limit.

An average + OL should cost $15 or $20 million. Which defensive starters get cut to pay for the OL?

Your quoting what a NFL team should spend on a OL? Based on what? Your own personal opinion? As for who gets cut , who says it has to be a defensive player, Graham would do just fine, I doubt he will ever be the player he was.

 

[Uhsplit]

Also remember OL players are not usually coming in ready to start even 1st round picks. There is a great article showing how almost all of the OT's taken in the past 5 years (since the new CBA was signed) took until year 3 to even be an average starter in the league. It is the slowest developing position in the NFL right now.

True, and by the time the young linemen figure it out they leave for bigger bucks in FA, ala Sweezy.

 

[Uhsplit]

Not sure how true this is but conflicting reports now have the Hawks FO never making an offer. Now i'm intrigued if that report is true or false.

If I was in the office, I would not give him an initial offer.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

True, and by the time the young linemen figure it out they leave for bigger bucks in FA, ala Sweezy.

He's a one trick pony, who kills you in the passing part of the game. Wish him luck, because he seems like a blue collar type who tries hard. If the front office ever finds a true stud OL like Jones was, I'm pretty sure they'll keep him.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

If I was in the office, I would not give him an initial offer.

A short term contract that puts all the risk on him is so prefect for the team, surely you would be for offering him the same? That's what he ended up signing. What a great insurance plan that would of been for the Seahawks.

 

[Uhsplit]

A short term contract that puts all the risk on him is so prefect for the team, surely you would be for offering him the same? That's what he ended up signing. What a great insurance plan that would of been for the Seahawks.

You misunderstood my earlier comment that you referenced.
I said I would not have given him an initial offer. I did not say I wouldn't try to match or better Denvers offer.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

You misunderstood my earlier comment that you referenced.
I said I would not have given him an initial offer. I did not say I wouldn't try to match or better Denvers offer.

Why not make that kind of offer from the get go?

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Yes it appears that they didn't actually want him back. I'm sure they have a plan, but I got a bad feeling I'm not going to like the "plan".

lol , yeah when it comes to the offensive line their "plans" haven't exactly been ... brilliant... But hey, they've nailed so many other draft picks I don't feel that bad about it... As long as our D is stout I think with a leader like Russ we have a shot...

Also remember OL players are not usually coming in ready to start even 1st round picks. There is a great article showing how almost all of the OT's taken in the past 5 years (since the new CBA was signed) took until year 3 to even be an average starter in the league. It is the slowest developing position in the NFL right now.

Amazingly enough we had a lot of rookies starting last year... We started out HORRIBLY, but they gelled pretty well later in the year... Cable seem's to do a good job getting young guy's playing the position pretty well... But experience is a big thing obviously... Also Russ being elusive makes the line look better than what it is ... If we had a non mobile QB he would a been killed last year ... Our run blocking was good but our pass protection was horrible at times...

 

[Uhsplit]

I certainly hope not, plenty of good looking LTs in the draft, hopefully the Seahawks don't misjudge this draft like last year and end up reaching for the last guy on their list.



I'm still convince the Seahawks were trying hard to sign Okung to a contract they felt was fair considering his history, but I could be way off base here.



The team will win the big game. If a offense goes 3 and out to often the D will wear down. If the offense can move the chains and score giving the D a lead...well this leads to good thing for the D.



Teams with crappy pass blocking lose their QB more often and also cause the QB to make foolish decisions which lead to loses. No way any team discounts having a OL that can pass block. Saying good blocking OL doesn't guarantee the QB won't get hurt is like someone driving a 120 mph saying someone can have a accident driving the speed limit.



Your quoting what a NFL team should spend on a OL? Based on what? Your own personal opinion? As for who gets cut , who says it has to be a defensive player, Graham would do just fine, I doubt he will ever be the player he was.

I wasn't clear.
The average cost of an NFL OL. Looks to

Why not make that kind of offer from the get go?

Because you let him shop you instead of you shopping him after he gets a bunch of offers that he is not happy with. Look at what he signed for. That was his market value.