With Galette Signing, Trent Murphy (or Preston Smith) To DE?

[redskinsfan]

Vernon is younger that is why he got paid.

They're about two years apart.

 

[gkekoa]

Game set match? You are the guys promoting Tm. Not me.

Nobody was promoting TM. We spoke of actual facts. We said he started far more games than your typical second rounder and he did so in his first two years. We said he was starting over PS because the coaches saw him as better at the time. We have stated that young guys can grow into roles.

You are the one who likes to read more into it than what the facts state. You are the one who is hypocritical because you only want guys you like to be given time to grow.

 

[deanpet21]

Bullshit GK. TM started his rookie year b/c he was a 2nd round pick and we had no one else. PS wasn't ready to covert into a 3-4OLB that is why TM go the start for the 2015 season. Those are facts. AS the season wen on PS proved he was the better player and sent TM to the bench. You are the biggest flip flop. Just admit this organization has given up on TM at OLB. He was a bad 2nd round pick that didn't work out. This happens a lot with teams.

 

[skinsdad62]

Bullshit GK. TM started his rookie year b/c he was a 2nd round pick and we had no one else. PS wasn't ready to covert into a 3-4OLB that is why TM go the start for the 2015 season. Those are facts. AS the season wen on PS proved he was the better player and sent TM to the bench. You are the biggest flip flop. Just admit this organization has given up on TM at OLB. He was a bad 2nd round pick that didn't work out. This happens a lot with teams.

BS , he has started 24 of 32 games . that is a FACT . now my question for you is simple . if TH isnt worth more then a 3rd round pick what other team would give us one for him ?

and our opinion is our opinion , just as valid as your and probably more informed

 

[skinsdad62]

there have been rumors that trent will move to DE . that could be a decent move because he just proves his versatility in this defense

how about a package with JG , RK , PS and TM rushing the passer ? oh the possibilities

 

[deanpet21]

skinsdad, gk is just running away from the fact that I said that TM wouldn't be involved in our defense in the future. He disagreed with me that is why I am calling him out.

 

[deanpet21]

YES TM would have to switch positions to be a factor. I agree with that.

 

[gkekoa]

skinsdad, gk is just running away from the fact that I said that TM wouldn't be involved in our defense in the future. He disagreed with me that is why I am calling him out.

You think TM will get zero playing time, other than STs?

What is difficult for you? Did you think I thought he would start over RK? Did you think I thought he would start over PS when I have said numerous times I believe PS will be better? TM will be a backup and I have said this the whole time unless he develops over PS or somebody gets hurt. Backups will get PT. You are the only one that doesn't get that.

 

[gkekoa]

Bullshit GK. TM started his rookie year b/c he was a 2nd round pick and we had no one else. PS wasn't ready to covert into a 3-4OLB that is why TM go the start for the 2015 season. Those are facts. AS the season wen on PS proved he was the better player and sent TM to the bench. You are the biggest flip flop. Just admit this organization has given up on TM at OLB. He was a bad 2nd round pick that didn't work out. This happens a lot with teams.

TM started in 2014 because he was the back up to RAK.
TM started in 2015 because he was the better player at the beginning of the year than PS and was the backup to injured JG.

In 2015, PS progressed and surpassed TM...I never said this was untrue and I always said PS had more potential. I have never flip flopped...you just can't comprehend the English language.

I won't admit the organization has given up on TM because it isn't true. He is on our roster. I have never said he will become great...I have always said he has more value than a third rounder which I have shown as true.

 

[Sportster 72]

Here is what I think. These guys were similar (Smith and Murphy) until the last three games of the year when Smith had 5 sacks. I am not taking anything away from Smith because players in all sports usually have spurts or periods where they are more successful than others. Smith certainly seems to be the better pass rusher while Murphy is clearly the better run defender. dean, you keep creating this wide divide between these two guys and I don't think that is the case .... so far. With Galette here I would imagine Smith takes a step back too. BTW Smith is the bigger guy so before you make anyone a DE that is a good thing to check.

 

[deanpet21]

gk, I said that TM would be a backup and ST player for us and would never live up to his 2nd round status you disagreed with me months ago. You cant comprehend the English language not me.

Any GM would take a 3rd round pick in this draft for their 4th OLB on their depth chart. I cant believe there is even an argument on this.

Bottom line is that I said months ago that Murphy and Long were bad draft picks for this team. Gabe Jackson is and was the better player at the time. But of course Gk disagreed. Now that TM is getting phased out I am just standing on my statement that I said months ago.

 

[gkekoa]

gk, I said that TM would be a backup and ST player for us and would never live up to his 2nd round status you disagreed with me months ago. You cant comprehend the English language not me.

Any GM would take a 3rd round pick in this draft for their 4th OLB on their depth chart. I cant believe there is even an argument on this.

Bottom line is that I said months ago that Murphy and Long were bad draft picks for this team. Gabe Jackson is and was the better player at the time. But of course Gk disagreed. Now that TM is getting phased out I am just standing on my statement that I said months ago.

I never once said he was going to be more than a backup. I said he could be and we should allow him to develop. Explain how I thought he would be more than a backup when we have RK and I stated PS has more potential. You even admitted I said PS was better. So where exactly did I think TM would play? He has already started more games than the median 2nd rounder. You seem to think all 2nd rounders end up ten year starters.

TM was not the 4th OLB when this conversation started.

Again, you like to think people make statements that are never made. Prove that Gabe Jackson is the better player. I never stated Long was better. I am saying again, at least one franchise thought Long was better and that all 32 teams thought Jackson was ranked too high by the so called experts. Your idea of proof is you don't think Long is good (you are biased) and your friend thinks Jackson is good (he is biased). You also think because Jackson won an SEC award and Long didn't, Jackson is better. But you don't acknowledge Long was all American before the injury. You are a hypocrite.

Further example of your hypocrisy...

You stated that because we gave up on TM we drafted PS and are looking at Spence.
Well...we are looking at Spence and we signed Galette...does that mean we have given up on PS or even RK?

Shark and I are your biggest critics because you make absolute claims and apply rules to players you like but dismiss those rules for players you do not like. You want to be right so badly it blinds you to the truth and makes you sound stupid.

 

[deanpet21]

Jackson is better b/c he carries a higher grade and he starts on his respective oline. I know LOng was an all American but he had an injury going into the draft so right then in there I would of taken Jackson b/c he was the highly decorated player who played in a better conference plus he was injury free coming out of school. To say Long is a better pro than Jackson right now is delusional. Many people on this board agree with me on this topic. ESPN just rated the Raider as the best oline in the NFL. I think Jackson has something to do with that.

When I made my statements About TM I said that assuming we sign back Gallette. We are looking at Spence b/c the Redskins have no confidence in TM being an olb. JG is on one year deal. If he blows up this year his price could be way too high in FA. Now if TM was the player you say he is, he would be good insurance if JG leaves next year but he is not that is why we are looking at Spence.

 

[gkekoa]

Jackson is better b/c he carries a higher grade and he starts on his respective oline. I know LOng was an all American but he had an injury going into the draft so right then in there I would of taken Jackson b/c he was the highly decorated player who played in a better conference plus he was injury free coming out of school. To say Long is a better pro than Jackson right now is delusional. Many people on this board agree with me on this topic. ESPN just rated the Raider as the best oline in the NFL. I think Jackson has something to do with that.

When I made my statements About TM I said that assuming we sign back Gallette. We are looking at Spence b/c the Redskins have no confidence in TM being an olb. JG is on one year deal. If he blows up this year his price could be way too high in FA. Now if TM was the player you say he is, he would be good insurance if JG leaves next year but he is not that is why we are looking at Spence.

Jackson carried a higher grade going into the draft by people not professionally employed as talent evaluators. Jackson started from the beginning on a line that was worse. ESPN is screwed up if they think the Oakland line is the best in the NFL. There isn't a single metric that supports it.

Here is where the difference is...you make claims that can't be substantiated about where they are now. I have never said Long is better than Jackson. Honestly, I don't know who is better but I can say Long is better than you give him credit for and he is not a complete project yet.

Going by your train of thought, we would be looking at Spence because we have no confidence in PS and JG as well. Spence is a first round prospect so it would seem we are giving up on everybody. You said we gave up on TM because we drafted PS. Same thing could be said by looking at Spence.

The reason we are looking at Spence...we are looking for the best football players. We are doing our homework.

 

[j_y19]

Shark you can say that about any 3-4 team who would lose their top 2 OLB's. GK if Murphy flashed in his rookie year like PS did last year no way PS would have been drafted. Just my opinion. I know players make huge jumps going into year 3 but with the current roster moves it doesn't bode well for TM. Plus if we draft Spence at #21 what does that say about Murphy's future? I just don't think TM is in the Redskins future plans you guys do. I thought he was taken way too high in the draft and he didn't prove anything in the NFL to disagree with my statement.

Plus why did SM take a chance on a head case guy like JG if he wanted TM to improve and thought he had a future with the team?

Dean, you continue to amaze me how you take statements made by others and either completely ignore them or read something into them that was not the original meaning. We drafted PS because he was the BPA when our pick came up. How do I know this? Scot said so. You continue to ignore that scot believes in drafting BPA from top to bottom of the draft, irregardless of need. He wants the best football players. He says it in every interview. But you ignore this. And I am sure you will respond to this by once again saying that our drafting pf PS and signing of JG was all because of the FO disappointment with TM. You are completely wrong in this assessment. No one has ever said that TM is better than PS. What we have all said is that the team's opinion of TM has nothing to do with PS and JG being on this team. They are on this team because they are good football players and represented good value.

 

[deanpet21]

I got his article to show Jackson's rank right now

Raiders could own NFL’s best offensive line in 2016

 

[deanpet21]

jy im saying gk thinks that Murphy will need time to develop and has a role on this defense. I think The Redskins totally written him off at the OLb positon. NO argument that PS was the BPA at the time. Its just my opnion the TM did not live up to his draft status and will have to change positions to have a role on this tem.

 

[j_y19]

jy im saying gk thinks that Murphy will need time to develop and has a role on this defense. I think The Redskins totally written him off at the OLb positon. NO argument that PS was the BPA at the time. Its just my opnion the TM did not live up to his draft status and will have to change positions to have a role on this tem.

LOL. Now that is funny. No, what you are doing it trying to justify your opinion that Murphy was a bad pick. We've seen this circular logic from you on a couple of players such as Moses. Its been almost 3 years, let it go, dude.

 

[gkekoa]

jy im saying gk thinks that Murphy will need time to develop and has a role on this defense. I think The Redskins totally written him off at the OLb positon. NO argument that PS was the BPA at the time. Its just my opnion the TM did not live up to his draft status and will have to change positions to have a role on this tem.

Murphy's current role is a backup player. Is it possible that he can develop...yes. That is a role.

This is the first time you have ever said PS was BPA. You have maintained that PS was taken solely because TM was a failure.

You believe TM cannot make this team as an OLB? Am I reading that correctly?

 

[gkekoa]

I got his article to show Jackson's rank right now

Raiders could own NFL’s best offensive line in 2016

I am very happy that you finally bring some shred of evidence that GJ is better but I ask how this was derived? Can you also show me where Long ranked.

Mind you...this actually proves nothing but it is more credible than my friend said so.

I can simply say Long allowed no sacks and had zero penalties...the only OL in the NFL that can say that. I do realize that alone doesn't prove he is better than Jackson, which is something I have never said. I have always said they are both entering year three and you can't really tell at this point.

I do have to ask where they derive their stats because these stats do not take into consideration who is beside them. I also have to question a system that ranks an OL so highly while being in a five way tie for 11th in sacks given up (without a mobile QB that usually leads to more sacks) and a five way tie in YPC at 20th.