We better hit on some picks and udfa

[duke1861]

I actually think its the opposite. Id rather build through the draft w/out FA while we arent at the Pats or elite team level and when we reach there THEN we can use FA to finish up our roster and push ourselves over the top.

Also given what we've seen about FA isnt that a huge crapshoot too? I think its pretty clear most good teams are built almost solely through the draft.

Not trying to argue, but we have been rebuilding for well over 10 years now. We have been set back by:

1. Bad FA signings
2. Poor drafting
3. Not developing the players we have.

I propose we actually try to correct all 3. That is all I am saying.

Most good teams use a combination of both. The Broncos were built using both. They brought in Ware, Manning, Sanders, Talib and Ward (just a few) and it seemed to work with them.

If we are going to build 100% through the draft, I am fine with it. However, I would wager most people would NOT support this philosophy when we go 5-11. Clearly, there is a balance to building a team. I was looking for us to sign at least 3 starters, but SM thinks otherwise. Bottom line is that the draft and UDFA will need need to provide starters at the following positions (in no order)

Center
Free Safety
DE
NT
RB
ILB

and possibly Strong Safety due to Inhenacho's inability to stay on the field. Does anyone here literally think we can find 7 starters in the draft? I don't at all and I am being naive when I say we might can find 3 to 4 in all honesty. If we are going to sign minor FA for depth purposes only, you all need to get comfortable with a losing record. If a poor 2016 is in the plans for building a better team, I am fine with it.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

has inhenacho even played for us yet ????

 

[chillerdab]

Agree with the "build through the draft" people. I wonder if GMSM is gonna raid back up players from teams known to draft well, and that are annually very good: Pats, Steelers, Packers, etc.

I know I read online somewhere that the Redskins were interested in one of the Steeler lb's that mostly plays on special teams, and didn't receive a tender (though he was a RFA). That, to me, seems like a good maneuver.

 

[chillerdab]

Not trying to argue, but we have been rebuilding for well over 10 years now. We have been set back by:

1. Bad FA signings
2. Poor drafting
3. Not developing the players we have.

I propose we actually try to correct all 3. That is all I am saying.

Most good teams use a combination of both. The Broncos were built using both. They brought in Ware, Manning, Sanders, Talib and Ward (just a few) and it seemed to work with them.

If we are going to build 100% through the draft, I am fine with it. However, I would wager most people would NOT support this philosophy when we go 5-11. Clearly, there is a balance to building a team. I was looking for us to sign at least 3 starters, but SM thinks otherwise. Bottom line is that the draft and UDFA will need need to provide starters at the following positions (in no order)

Center
Free Safety
DE
NT
RB
ILB

and possibly Strong Safety due to Inhenacho's inability to stay on the field. Does anyone here literally think we can find 7 starters in the draft? I don't at all and I am being naive when I say we might can find 3 to 4 in all honesty. If we are going to sign minor FA for depth purposes only, you all need to get comfortable with a losing record. If a poor 2016 is in the plans for building a better team, I am fine with it.[/QUOTE\]

 

[gkekoa]

Not trying to argue, but we have been rebuilding for well over 10 years now. We have been set back by:

1. Bad FA signings
2. Poor drafting
3. Not developing the players we have.

I propose we actually try to correct all 3. That is all I am saying.

Most good teams use a combination of both. The Broncos were built using both. They brought in Ware, Manning, Sanders, Talib and Ward (just a few) and it seemed to work with them.

If we are going to build 100% through the draft, I am fine with it. However, I would wager most people would NOT support this philosophy when we go 5-11. Clearly, there is a balance to building a team. I was looking for us to sign at least 3 starters, but SM thinks otherwise. Bottom line is that the draft and UDFA will need need to provide starters at the following positions (in no order)

Center
Free Safety
DE
NT
RB
ILB

and possibly Strong Safety due to Inhenacho's inability to stay on the field. Does anyone here literally think we can find 7 starters in the draft? I don't at all and I am being naive when I say we might can find 3 to 4 in all honesty. If we are going to sign minor FA for depth purposes only, you all need to get comfortable with a losing record. If a poor 2016 is in the plans for building a better team, I am fine with it.

Denver built their team through the draft. They went out and got the best QB on the market because their team was basically complete.

Nobody believes we can find seven year one starters in the draft. Nobody here believes SM believes we need 7 new starters on our playoff team.

 

[skinsdad62]

one thing

Not trying to argue, but we have been rebuilding for well over 10 years now. We have been set back by:

1. Bad FA signings
2. Poor drafting
3. Not developing the players we have.

I propose we actually try to correct all 3. That is all I am saying.

Most good teams use a combination of both. The Broncos were built using both. They brought in Ware, Manning, Sanders, Talib and Ward (just a few) and it seemed to work with them.

If we are going to build 100% through the draft, I am fine with it. However, I would wager most people would NOT support this philosophy when we go 5-11. Clearly, there is a balance to building a team. I was looking for us to sign at least 3 starters, but SM thinks otherwise. Bottom line is that the draft and UDFA will need need to provide starters at the following positions (in no order)

Center
Free Safety
DE
NT
RB
ILB

and possibly Strong Safety due to Inhenacho's inability to stay on the field. Does anyone here literally think we can find 7 starters in the draft? I don't at all and I am being naive when I say we might can find 3 to 4 in all honesty. If we are going to sign minor FA for depth purposes only, you all need to get comfortable with a losing record. If a poor 2016 is in the plans for building a better team, I am fine with it.

no one is suggesting that we build solely through the draft

what we are suggesting is staying away from big name past their prime free agents and sign guys younger then 28 years old

we also advocate wise spending

i would also add dont be seduced by last years good showing . we still have a ways to go before we are a year in year out contender .

and dont fall for the old lets fix every need in one off season . we may have to stop gap some positions to build up others

 

[ehb5]

Not trying to argue, but we have been rebuilding for well over 10 years now. We have been set back by:

1. Bad FA signings
2. Poor drafting
3. Not developing the players we have.

I propose we actually try to correct all 3. That is all I am saying.

Most good teams use a combination of both. The Broncos were built using both. They brought in Ware, Manning, Sanders, Talib and Ward (just a few) and it seemed to work with them.

If we are going to build 100% through the draft, I am fine with it. However, I would wager most people would NOT support this philosophy when we go 5-11. Clearly, there is a balance to building a team. I was looking for us to sign at least 3 starters, but SM thinks otherwise. Bottom line is that the draft and UDFA will need need to provide starters at the following positions (in no order)

Center
Free Safety
DE
NT
RB
ILB

and possibly Strong Safety due to Inhenacho's inability to stay on the field. Does anyone here literally think we can find 7 starters in the draft? I don't at all and I am being naive when I say we might can find 3 to 4 in all honesty. If we are going to sign minor FA for depth purposes only, you all need to get comfortable with a losing record. If a poor 2016 is in the plans for building a better team, I am fine with it.

I get what you're saying but
1. We didnt really miss out on any worthwhile signings.
2. We dont need to find 7 starters this year. We just won the division and we will continue to improve and build through the draft. Its not going to be a 1 year fix.
3. The Broncos are a good example of the benefits of FA for sure but its not that simple. They already had a good team and THEN they splurged through FA. The core of that team was built through the draft + bringing in Peyton who I think we can all admit is not your standard FA.

 

[duke1861]

one thing


no one is suggesting that we build solely through the draft

what we are suggesting is staying away from big name past their prime free agents and sign guys younger then 28 years old

we also advocate wise spending

i would also add dont be seduced by last years good showing . we still have a ways to go before we are a year in year out contender .

and dont fall for the old lets fix every need in one off season . we may have to stop gap some positions to build up others

And I have been saying this for years since the ESPN board days. I was never for the massive spending sprees under Vinny and with the early part of Bruce's tenure. I was in numerous arguments when I spoke out about Haynsworth and the other busts we have brought in. I've always advocated smart, friendly deals for younger, talented, healthy players. Don't confuse me with Arbusman or Bananaman.

I actually don't think we have a good team and think that we won the division due to the Cowboys injuries, Kelly's circus in Philly and dysfunction in the Giants FO. I doubt the stars align again for us. Going at this pace, I think we will be ready to compete in 3 years or so.

The purpose of the offseason is improve your team. At this point, no, we have not improved our team at all. The draft will help but don't count on rookies saving the day or becoming Pro-Bowlers. I am simply looking for middle ground from the team. We used to be the top spenders in FA and now we bring in nobody. While SM can draft well, you must utilize FA to some extent. Apparently he does not believe so at this point or has his eye on FA still looking for a team.

Regarding the 1 year fix comments, I have heard that for well over 10 years. I am sure some of you will be saying the same thing in the next 10 years in that "its not a one year fix". I just don't think we at the point we can rely 100% on the draft.

I am sure we will have this same discussion this time next year so I will look forward to it.

 

[gkekoa]

We did sign Kendall Reyes.

 

[countryroads316]

The last time we tried to make Baker the main NT it did not work out well

 

[ehb5]

And I have been saying this for years since the ESPN board days. I was never for the massive spending sprees under Vinny and with the early part of Bruce's tenure. I was in numerous arguments when I spoke out about Haynsworth and the other busts we have brought in. I've always advocated smart, friendly deals for younger, talented, healthy players. Don't confuse me with Arbusman or Bananaman.

I actually don't think we have a good team and think that we won the division due to the Cowboys injuries, Kelly's circus in Philly and dysfunction in the Giants FO. I doubt the stars align again for us. Going at this pace, I think we will be ready to compete in 3 years or so.

The purpose of the offseason is improve your team. At this point, no, we have not improved our team at all. The draft will help but don't count on rookies saving the day or becoming Pro-Bowlers. I am simply looking for middle ground from the team. We used to be the top spenders in FA and now we bring in nobody. While SM can draft well, you must utilize FA to some extent. Apparently he does not believe so at this point or has his eye on FA still looking for a team.

Regarding the 1 year fix comments, I have heard that for well over 10 years. I am sure some of you will be saying the same thing in the next 10 years in that "its not a one year fix". I just don't think we at the point we can rely 100% on the draft.

I am sure we will have this same discussion this time next year so I will look forward to it.

But who would you have signed that we missed out on? (Not criticizing, just curious what exactly your advocating for).

 

[skinsdad62]

And I have been saying this for years since the ESPN board days. I was never for the massive spending sprees under Vinny and with the early part of Bruce's tenure. I was in numerous arguments when I spoke out about Haynsworth and the other busts we have brought in. I've always advocated smart, friendly deals for younger, talented, healthy players. Don't confuse me with Arbusman or Bananaman.

I actually don't think we have a good team and think that we won the division due to the Cowboys injuries, Kelly's circus in Philly and dysfunction in the Giants FO. I doubt the stars align again for us. Going at this pace, I think we will be ready to compete in 3 years or so.

The purpose of the offseason is improve your team. At this point, no, we have not improved our team at all. The draft will help but don't count on rookies saving the day or becoming Pro-Bowlers. I am simply looking for middle ground from the team. We used to be the top spenders in FA and now we bring in nobody. While SM can draft well, you must utilize FA to some extent. Apparently he does not believe so at this point or has his eye on FA still looking for a team.

Regarding the 1 year fix comments, I have heard that for well over 10 years. I am sure some of you will be saying the same thing in the next 10 years in that "its not a one year fix". I just don't think we at the point we can rely 100% on the draft.

I am sure we will have this same discussion this time next year so I will look forward to it.

i would say the health of paul , and paulson is s start as well as lavoua . add spaight at ILB and duke and we could have solutions within the team . culliver should be back as well

those things shouldnt be underestimated . kujo also has a chance to improve as does moses sherff and long

reyes is a young de who should fit in nicely . smith should improve as can dunbar

now after the 1st week or so of free agency i am not willing to say we are done


now lets look at our free agents he brought in , hopkins was a success as was blackmon . foster was a good signing for us RJF played good football for us

i say lets let this play out some more

 

[skins_warrior26]

I find it funny one

Bottom line is that the draft and UDFA will need need to provide starters at the following positions (in no order)

Center
Free Safety
DE
NT
RB
ILB

and possibly Strong Safety due to Inhenacho's inability to stay on the field. Does anyone here literally think we can find 7 starters in the draft? I don't at all and I am being naive.

Yes you are naive. We don't need 7 starters you moron.

Center we have Litchenstiger returning.
Free Safety we have D. Hall returning
DE we have Baker, and have 2-3 players suitable to rotate
NT - yes we need this.
Rb - we have Matt Jones, C. Thompson, and we just need a rotational player here to split, so no starter
ILB - we have our two starters returning, foster and Compton.
SS - we have 2-3 players returning in rotation.

Essentially we have 1 real starter we need. You are naive and being hyperbolic. Kind of like Snyder...

Scot is the only person in the WORLD the past 12 years to build two Super Bowl caliber teams for two different organizations as a GM. Relax...

I agree we need more talented starters for a Super Bowl caliber team, but even if you spent ever dime your wishing we did, how close would we really be to that caliber? And 1-2 of those signings back fires like Culliver did or the how only 2 free agents were probowlers out of 86 players last year, you'd know mathematically your making a stupid decision.

Draft, draft draft.

Just like save, save, save. Merit. Merit. Merit.

 

[skins_warrior26]

I apologize in advance for the moron and stupid comment. I wasn't aware it wouldn't let me edit. Just replace those with poorly thought out strategy and assessment of the team, with a lack of football acumen.

 

[Sportster 72]

Scot's MO is to bring in a lot of players. He did this last year. He knows as well as anyone that no one hits on 100% of the guys they choose so he will bring a guy in for a few weeks and release him and try someone else if he doesn't feel it is working out. Those are his one year fixes.

We aren't looking for a one year fix for the entire team. It is a process and I am going to let the process play out. We won a whole bunch of off seasons but I want to become a good team that can sustain success. If SM is allowed to his job I believe he will do that.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I find it funny one


Yes you are naive. We don't need 7 starters you moron.

Center we have Litchenstiger returning.
Free Safety we have D. Hall returning
DE we have Baker, and have 2-3 players suitable to rotate
NT - yes we need this.
Rb - we have Matt Jones, C. Thompson, and we just need a rotational player here to split, so no starter
ILB - we have our two starters returning, foster and Compton.
SS - we have 2-3 players returning in rotation.

Essentially we have 1 real starter we need. You are naive and being hyperbolic. Kind of like Snyder...

Scot is the only person in the WORLD the past 12 years to build two Super Bowl caliber teams for two different organizations as a GM. Relax...

I agree we need more talented starters for a Super Bowl caliber team, but even if you spent ever dime your wishing we did, how close would we really be to that caliber? And 1-2 of those signings back fires like Culliver did or the how only 2 free agents were probowlers out of 86 players last year, you'd know mathematically your making a stupid decision.

Draft, draft draft.

Just like save, save, save. Merit. Merit. Merit.

Center: Lich is returning but he has always been undersized. OK in Shanny's offense but now we need an upgrade and have zero depth
FS: D Hall is old, unproven, and a Band Aid
DE: Baker is the only productive player we have returning, Ricky J F played OK but he is a rotation guy, not a starter
NT Need as you say
RB: Jones has not proven to be an every down back, Thompson can not run between the tackles and is a role player. No depth
ILB The fill ins played well, for fill ins. Thise are not starting ILBs on a great defense
SS: Again 2-3 unproven players. They thought it was Duke but we really didn't know. We still don't know.

 

[j_y19]

I saw this question asked earlier and I never saw an answer from those who are concerned about our lack of FA participation. Please identify what FA that was signed to a good contract that we missed out on? This is the crux of the issue. Of course there were a few good FAs available, but they were given ridiculous contracts. Something we could not afford to do nor does SM believe in it.

Let things settle down and I bet we still sign another 3-4 FA before camp starts. The best FAs that SM signed last year were available after the season started (Mason Blackmon, Hopkins). Just relax and let the man do his job.

 

[skins_warrior26]

DG, idealism(having the best team in NFL history) is a nice dream.

The reality is we don't need 7 new starters. Maybe 2-3 this year. And overall we need more talent, and super stars. It's going to take time and it's a process. We have enough players on the roster currently where we do not need 7 NEW starters. That's ridiculous.

 

[Sportster 72]

Can't get anyone to fess up huh j_y?

 

[duke1861]

Can't get anyone to fess up huh j_y?

I have said at least a hand full of times who I would have signed. For the last time:

Ben Jones
Jaye Howard
Akiem Hicks
Jerrell Freeman
Casey Hayward

If we would cut Riley and Lavauo
George Iloka
Danny Trevathan

Obviously we would not have signed all of them but these were all good deals. Those are just a few off the top of my head. These players could have come in a started from day 1 and are all younger players who signed smart contracts.