Skins offered KC 15m

[anotheridiot]

NFL Quarterback position has been ruined by players like Cutler, Hoyer, Smith, Ryan, Romo, Eli Manning, Ryan Leaf. Anyone considers a quarterback the starter or "franchise" is going to pay 18 million a year just to be in the teens of qb rankings.

 

[ehb5]

So we are completely ignoring completion percentage then right?? Because Cam over his career is about 60% tops. that means 4 out of 10 passes go incomplete. And how many of those rushing yards come from plays that were supposed to be a pass and he took off running??

I admit, I dont like him. Flip side is you apparently have a raging mancrush on the dual threat style of QB. And its funny you give him a pass on his WRs dropping balls or HURTING the QB. BUT seem to think this only applies to the Cam Newton types of the world.

Side note... I actually do watch around 70% of the NFL games. So no Im not just basing it off a couple of highlights and remembering i cant stand Newton. His game is based off his ability to run. Defense have to game plan against his ability to run. Without it, he is an average QB.

I wouldnt say ignore, but when you consider that hes screwed out of tons of completions by his WRs and runs a very downfield passing offense he's obviously going to have a lower comp %. So its not really a concern, especially when you can watch him play and see him put the ball into tight windows exactly when they need to be there consistently.

What makes you think I have a mancrush on dual threat QBs? I think RG3 and Kaep are bad. I think Vick was a talented guy who was all kinds of and down and never really did that much. I think Wilson's good but I mean - he is. And I think Cam is one of the best players in the NFL - and he just won the MVP sooo what part of my views makes it seem like Im overrating dual threat players?

As for your last paragraph. Well, good luck finding people who agree with you on that one. (outside of people who hate Cam irrationally lol)

 

[ehb5]

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Film Room: Cam Newton

@Sharkinva please read this. Kirk isnt doing that stuff. And don't tell me he's doing it just because of his legs.

@gkekoa please also read that and tell me how he isnt accurate, reading defenses, or throwing on time.

 

[Sharkinva]

I wouldnt say ignore, but when you consider that hes screwed out of tons of completions by his WRs and runs a very downfield passing offense he's obviously going to have a lower comp %. So its not really a concern, especially when you can watch him play and see him put the ball into tight windows exactly when they need to be there consistently.

What makes you think I have a mancrush on dual threat QBs? I think RG3 and Kaep are bad. I think Vick was a talented guy who was all kinds of and down and never really did that much. I think Wilson's good but I mean - he is. And I think Cam is one of the best players in the NFL - and he just won the MVP sooo what part of my views makes it seem like Im overrating dual threat players?

As for your last paragraph. Well, good luck finding people who agree with you on that one. (outside of people who hate Cam irrationally lol)

A 60% completion rate does NOT say he is putting the ball where it needs to be consistently. And every QB has WRs screw them out of completions. I wonder if you actually WATCH the Redskins games considering that some where around 35-40% of Cousins INTs were balls that his WRs actually put hands on but couldnt secure.

And to say Newton would be a starting QB in a traditional pocket passing offense is a complete joke. Had the Panthers not adjusted their offense to include his running abilities, he would have been run out of town three years ago.

 

[ehb5]

It is very true. Cam can't throw on time, can't read a defense, and is inaccurate...he can throw it a long ways though. Take away his legs and he is Jeff George...betcha thought I was going to say Jamarcus Russell.

If that were true RG3 would still be our starting QB. RG3 can run and throw it far. Obviously there's something more going on here.

 

[Sharkinva]

If that were true RG3 would still be our starting QB. RG3 can run and throw it far. Obviously there's something more going on here.

Yea.. RG3 cant stay healthy. Once he lost his legs, he sucked. Or no, I wont say sucked.. but he was average at best minus his ability to scare teams with his legs. Now his attitude.... much like Cam thats a whole 'nother clusterfuck.

 

[ehb5]

A 60% completion rate does NOT say he is putting the ball where it needs to be consistently. And every QB has WRs screw them out of completions. I wonder if you actually WATCH the Redskins games considering that some where around 35-40% of Cousins INTs were balls that his WRs actually put hands on but couldnt secure.

And to say Newton would be a starting QB in a traditional pocket passing offense is a complete joke. Had the Panthers not adjusted their offense to include his running abilities, he would have been run out of town three years ago.

No a 60% completion rate is fine given the circumstances. Then you watch him play and see him putting the ball on the money and bam - he's accurate. Every QB does but not every QB does equally. If you think Cam with the worst WRs in the league wasnt screwed by that disproportionately youre out of your mind. The guy who charted every pass play for every QB found Cam lost 836 yards because of his recievers this year. The next closest had fewer than 720 yards lost by WRs.


And thats such BS that 35-40% of his INTs were his recievers fault. He got away with more throws than he got screwed into - and it wasnt that close. Not to mention that same aforementioned study had him with the 2nd best receivers in the league on catchable passes.

As for whether he needed the time to adjust to a pro offense - who cares? He got it and now he's the MVP of the league. Good for him.

 

[ehb5]

Yea.. RG3 cant stay healthy. Once he lost his legs, he sucked. Or no, I wont say sucked.. but he was average at best minus his ability to scare teams with his legs. Now his attitude.... much like Cam thats a whole 'nother clusterfuck.

Except we all know that isnt it because even when hes been on the field hes been awful.

 

[Breed]

Cam's biggest issue as a QB is he puts mustard on some some balls that don't need it. Far as accuracy goes though. He looked extremely accurate last year. And there were 3 passes in the Super Bowl that had his WRs held onto them and they should've held on to all three. It could'e been a very different game.

 

[Sharkinva]

Except we all know that isnt it because even when hes been on the field hes been awful.

Lets get this straight. When he has been on the field he has come real close to a 70% completion rate... without his ability to run. My entire issue with Griffin is that he is a narcissistic ass clown with a god complex. Fix that, and I think he MIGHT turn into a decent QB. Newton shares this trait.

And once again, I suggest you go back and actually WATCH the Redskins games from this past season. Tell me how many of Cousins INTs resulted from a WR touching but not securing the ball. How many more resulted from a timing pass where the WR simply didnt make it to his spot. Again I dont think Cousins is elite.... yet. But I also think he is alot better than you give him credit for and he doesnt come with the GOD complex that some of these dual threat QBs tend to have.

 

[ehb5]

Lets get this straight. When he has been on the field he has come real close to a 70% completion rate... without his ability to run. My entire issue with Griffin is that he is a narcissistic ass clown with a god complex. Fix that, and I think he MIGHT turn into a decent QB. Newton shares this trait.

And once again, I suggest you go back and actually WATCH the Redskins games from this past season. Tell me how many of Cousins INTs resulted from a WR touching but not securing the ball. How many more resulted from a timing pass where the WR simply didnt make it to his spot. Again I dont think Cousins is elite.... yet. But I also think he is alot better than you give him credit for and he doesnt come with the GOD complex that some of these dual threat QBs tend to have.

Please dont now tell me you thought RG3 was actually playing well. He wasnt. It takes more than a strong arm and fast legs. Case Closed.

Cam doesnt have a God complex. He dances when he plays cuz he loves what he does and hes really damn good at it and he knows. People who think theres something wrong with that have a screw loose. Hes a hard working guy loved by his teammates, coaches, and community. People who have something to complain about with him have their own personal issues.

 

[Sharkinva]

Please dont now tell me you thought RG3 was actually playing well. He wasnt. It takes more than a strong arm and fast legs. Case Closed.

Cam doesnt have a God complex. He dances when he plays cuz he loves what he does and hes really damn good at it and he knows. People who think theres something wrong with that have a screw loose. Hes a hard working guy loved by his teammates, coaches, and community. People who have something to complain about with him have their own personal issues.

Nope.. I said without his legs, Griffin became average. Much as i think if you take Cams running ability away he becomes average.

He dances because he likes being the center of attention. When he cant be the center of positive attention, he pouts and points fingers. Case closed.

Side note, if you are the best, you dont need to constantly remind people of it.

 

[reptec101]

Lets get this straight. When he has been on the field he has come real close to a 70% completion rate... without his ability to run. My entire issue with Griffin is that he is a narcissistic ass clown with a god complex. Fix that, and I think he MIGHT turn into a decent QB. Newton shares this trait.

And once again, I suggest you go back and actually WATCH the Redskins games from this past season. Tell me how many of Cousins INTs resulted from a WR touching but not securing the ball. How many more resulted from a timing pass where the WR simply didnt make it to his spot. Again I dont think Cousins is elite.... yet. But I also think he is alot better than you give him credit for and he doesnt come with the GOD complex that some of these dual threat QBs tend to have.

Cousins did have some int's bounce off his receivers but also was given some gifts from opposing teams secondarys. Talking about RG3 and Cam and the differences between the two; one only needs to look at the footwork. Cam has pocket awareness and then when he runs he has football smarts. Griff has no pocket awareness and when he runs hasn't any smarts. No ability to slide or even get to the sideline. Heck, he was hurt in 2013 from jumping out of bounds. Cam is durable and Griffin not so much. I don't believe Griffin will ever be a starter again in this league... just a poor teams backup.

As for KC.... dude has an upside that has to be mentioned. Skins better not fuck this one up.

 

[ehb5]

Nope.. I said without his legs, Griffin became average. Much as i think if you take Cams running ability away he becomes average.

He dances because he likes being the center of attention. When he cant be the center of positive attention, he pouts and points fingers. Case closed.

Side note, if you are the best, you dont need to constantly remind people of it.

You just have it in your mind he's a bad person. That's okay though there were a lot other internet crazies idiotically screaming about Cam this year so you're not alone at least. You're wrong but you're not alone so enjoy that I guess.

As for Kirk - yea I just rewatched all 11 INTS like you asked. 1 was the receivers fault. I'll do the math for you. Thats 9.09%. Meanwhile he threw multiple interceptable passes that were not in fact intercepted.

 

[Sharkinva]

You just have it in your mind he's a bad person. That's okay though there were a lot other internet crazies idiotically screaming about Cam this year so you're not alone at least. You're wrong but you're not alone so enjoy that I guess.

As for Kirk - yea I just rewatched all 11 INTS like you asked. 1 was the receivers fault. I'll do the math for you. Thats 9.09%. Meanwhile he threw multiple interceptable passes that were not in fact intercepted.

First off I never said all his INTs were the WRs fault. But a good portion were. Our offense is based more off of timing than just looking for the wide open guy.

Second, I would suggest you look up the traits of a narcissist. IN fact...

Here you go.

Narcissistic personality disorder Symptoms - Mayo Clinic


Now tell me this doesnt remind you of Newton, Griffin and a few others.

 

[ehb5]

First off I never said all his INTs were the WRs fault. But a good portion were. Our offense is based more off of timing than just looking for the wide open guy.

Second, I would suggest you look up the traits of a narcissist. IN fact...

Here you go.

Narcissistic personality disorder Symptoms - Mayo Clinic


Now tell me this doesnt remind you of Newton, Griffin and a few others.

I know what you said. And Im telling you he threw 1 INT all year that was the receivers fault. And no that does not remind me of Newton.

 

[Sharkinva]

I know what you said. And Im telling you he threw 1 INT all year that was the receivers fault. And no that does not remind me of Newton.

Why does that not surprise me.

 

[redskinsfan]

Need to tag him and trade him to the Browns I'd rather have Carson Wentz who I compare to Luck an Big Ben

Is this for real?

 

[redskinsfan]

You guys are nuts. Football is like the lottery... you have to pay to play. Here we have a QB "finally" who seems to be a true competitor, and you guys want to toss him because he wants to much money. Here we have a QB "finally" who makes quick decisions and doesn't seem to be injury prone... and you guys want to toss him because he wants to much money. Here we have a QB who is quite accurate and you guys want to toss him because he wants to much money. Do you want to just keep bringing in new guys at the position and when they start to excel toss em because they're now asking for too much. Do you ever want to compete for a championship year after year? because you're not doing that with new guys year after year. Stop effing around and pay the man and let's play ball. It's the cost of doing business.

Amen to that. And it would be crazy to use the transition tag and risk the fact that we'd end up with nothing in return.

 

[Sharkinva]

Is this for real?

Sadly I think he is serious.