Game Thread: Wild Card: Packers @ Redskins

[Sportster 72]

I suck at personnel, I am leaving that up to you guys. dad and Shark were right on when it came to the draft. My strength is X's and O's. I cheat at that too. I use my nephew's and the 3 ex NFL players that coach our HS.

 

[skinsdad62]

my opinion is as good as theirs period . you want to be a sheep , go ahead

 

[Sportster 72]

Actually I am leaving it up to Scot. But you guys did well.

Becareful with shxxx word around us Irishman.

 

[redskinsfan]

OK... but then I have to call into question Wolfe, Casserly and a few of these other talent experts based on the fact that I doubt many of them have actually GONE to a combine or pro day in years. While they might get a little of the film that the average fan cant get, and while they have actually at some point gotten paid for their opinion... fact remains that most of them are making a slightly more informed guess on the guys based on how they see the entire league. Not a particular team. Once again who saw us passing on Williams for Scherff?? Not many. Hell how many of these guys were totally stunned when Manziel fell out of the top ten?? I give them credit for having more resources, and for actually getting paid for their opinion. But at the end of the day, I question if they know the 32 teams and what would be best for them based on the fact that the sheer number of players they have to look at makes it almost impossible for them to do anything more than basically guess to a degree.

Wolfe and Casserly may be bad examples since they're retired and don't go to things like the Combines. But they still have more core ability to evaluate talent than anyone here. I could point out people like Mike Mayock and others on the ground that make it their living to makes these assessments.

And the whole point about where people go in the draft, again, is not part of their expertise. They won't know what teams are truly interested in what players. The people who know that stuff are reporters who have a network of sources that can tell you what may unfold. Take for instance the hysteria on Chippy trying to trade up the farm and his left nut to get Mariota last year. That's not something that Mayock is paid to know. But reports like Ian Rappoport would. Same thing where Scherff would land. Casserly can offer up his guess, but that's never what he was paid to do either when he was in the league and now.

 

[redskinsfan]

my opinion is as good as theirs period . you want to be a sheep , go ahead

I'm hardly a sheep and I do have my opinions. But I'm smart enough to know that my opinion isn't as good as others on certain issues. If you have an illness, do you tell the doctor treating you that his or her opinion isn't any better than yours? Really?

 

[Sharkinva]

Wolfe and Casserly may be bad examples since they're retired and don't go to things like the Combines. But they still have more core ability to evaluate talent than anyone here. I could point out people like Mike Mayock and others on the ground that make it their living to makes these assessments.

And the whole point about where people go in the draft, again, is not part of their expertise. They won't know what teams are truly interested in what players. The people who know that stuff are reporters who have a network of sources that can tell you what may unfold. Take for instance the hysteria on Chippy trying to trade up the farm and his left nut to get Mariota last year. That's not something that Mayock is paid to know. But reports like Ian Rappoport would. Same thing where Scherff would land. Casserly can offer up his guess, but that's never what he was paid to do either when he was in the league and now.

OK reporters get no love, because their main motivation is to drum up interest in their stories. And again I have admitted guys like Mayock and Kiper are paid for their opinion and have more resources. But to a degree they are all pretty much agreeing with each other on WHO they think the top 10-32 players are. But its a group guess as to WHERE they think players will go. IM not saying Im better than them, but I will say that some one who focuses on a particular team can make just as good and in some cases a better educated guess on where the team might be leaning. Not to toot my own horn, but not including the RG3 pick which a blind drunk fuck could see a mile away, IM 3 for 3 on our last 3 top draft picks. And all three were guys that the Pundicks did NOT have us taking.

 

[redskinsfan]

OK reporters get no love, because their main motivation is to drum up interest in their stories. And again I have admitted guys like Mayock and Kiper are paid for their opinion and have more resources. But to a degree they are all pretty much agreeing with each other on WHO they think the top 10-32 players are. But its a group guess as to WHERE they think players will go. IM not saying Im better than them, but I will say that some one who focuses on a particular team can make just as good and in some cases a better educated guess on where the team might be leaning. Not to toot my own horn, but not including the RG3 pick which a blind drunk fuck could see a mile away, IM 3 for 3 on our last 3 top draft picks. And all three were guys that the Pundicks did NOT have us taking.

I agree that's it a guess / estimation where players will go. On that issue, I give them little deference when they opine on that issue. Where I will defer is what they think of certain draft picks (e.g., whether a LB is better as 3-4 OLB, whether they fit the Redskins system, whether they've got enough sideline-to-sideline ability to cover TEs). That's where those pundits were right about Scherff. I was a bit disappointed that Scherff became a guard given his draft position, but overall, I'm pretty happy the way he and Morgan Moses have formed a great right side of our line.

 

[Sharkinva]

I agree that's it a guess / estimation where players will go. On that issue, I give them little deference when they opine on that issue. Where I will defer is what they think of certain draft picks (e.g., whether a LB is better as 3-4 OLB, whether they fit the Redskins system, whether they've got enough sideline-to-sideline ability to cover TEs). That's where those pundits were right about Scherff. I was a bit disappointed that Scherff became a guard given his draft position, but overall, I'm pretty happy the way he and Morgan Moses have formed a great right side of our line.

See IM not upset where Scherff ended up. Because in the grand scheme of things, I think we put the best five on the field. Moses cant play guard, and Long would have never seen the field if Lavauo had stayed healthy. But had it been MOses to get hurt instead of Lavauo, I think Scherff would have bounced out to RT without a hitch.

 

[redskinsfan]

See IM not upset where Scherff ended up. Because in the grand scheme of things, I think we put the best five on the field. Moses cant play guard, and Long would have never seen the field if Lavauo had stayed healthy. But had it been MOses to get hurt instead of Lavauo, I think Scherff would have bounced out to RT without a hitch.

I'm glad things worked out for the best too. If Scherff and Moses continue their play from this past season, I don't see why they shouldn't get consideration for the Pro-Bowl. I hope Lauvao comes back healthy. I didn't like him a whole lot in 2014, but he was doing well this year until he got hurt. Don't know exactly what to think of Long, but I know we need to get a center. I wonder how Austin Reiter is doing? I figure we'll need to select a center at about the third round or so.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm glad things worked out for the best too. If Scherff and Moses continue their play from this past season, I don't see why they shouldn't get consideration for the Pro-Bowl. I hope Lauvao comes back healthy. I didn't like him a whole lot in 2014, but he was doing well this year until he got hurt. Don't know exactly what to think of Long, but I know we need to get a center. I wonder how Austin Reiter is doing? I figure we'll need to select a center at about the third round or so.

Why would we need to do that?? We can get Wiznewski for $2 and a powerball ticket??

 

[redskinsfan]

Why would we need to do that?? We can get Wiznewski for $2 and a powerball ticket??

He plays for the Jags right? Is he any good since doing so well as a rookie? And I wonder what price he'd fetch? I'll leave that up to Scot though. Wiz is only 26 and he'd be the very type of FA that Scot would be looking for. If he's any good, I like the line of Trent, Lauvao, Wiz, Scherff, and Moses. You figure that that line could open up holes for any RB to run through.

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm hardly a sheep and I do have my opinions. But I'm smart enough to know that my opinion isn't as good as others on certain issues. If you have an illness, do you tell the doctor treating you that his or her opinion isn't any better than yours? Really?

well if you dont think yours is the fine dont comment on it . the dr thing is silly because we are talking football not medicine

 

[redskinsfan]

well if you dont think yours is the fine dont comment on it . the dr thing is silly because we are talking football not medicine

It's no different. There are recognized experts in every field, whether it be medicine, law, economics, and football. But if you want to talk about football, let's do that. Would you say that any opinion by posters here would be better or more informed on selecting players in the Redskins upcoming draft than Scot McCloughan? You'd be foolish to think so. Thus, while you and anyone would be entitled to your opinion on that particular issue, your opinion would be far less respected than the one being given by McCloughan.

 

[skinsdad62]

ok if you want to go there about doctors here is my recent story . for 8 months i had a cough . my dr said it was allergies so he prescribed allergy meds . i followed the regimen and it got worse . in the doctors opinion it was allergies , i said no it isnt i have never had allergies .
in his opinion it was allergies my opinion it wasnt so i forced him to send me to detroit and test me . sure enough i am not allergic to anything

so i looked over all my meds i am taking and researched them and lo and behold i found out a side effect of my blood pressure was a constant cough

i went back and showed him my findings he he said no he didnt think it was that so i forced him again to change my medication sure enough my cough went away

so in 2 instances , with a doctor who is trained my opinion was just as good as his a mere novice with the ability to research

so your doctor comparison doesnt have merit even in the real world and you are a fool not to question so called experts

 

[skinsdad62]

It's no different. There are recognized experts in every field, whether it be medicine, law, economics, and football. But if you want to talk about football, let's do that. Would you say that any opinion by posters here would be better or more informed on selecting players in the Redskins upcoming draft than Scot McCloughan? You'd be foolish to think so. Thus, while you and anyone would be entitled to your opinion on that particular issue, your opinion would be far less respected than the one being given by McCloughan.

my opinion is just as good as his too he will miss some and i will too . now you can split hairs on respected or "as good as " to the cows come home but so far the SM card hasnt said he is firing barry nor indicated he sucks or anything yet i suspect he feels the same way i do

 

[redskinsfan]

my opinion is just as good as his too he will miss some and i will too . now you can split hairs on respected or "as good as " to the cows come home but so far the SM card hasnt said he is firing barry nor indicated he sucks or anything yet i suspect he feels the same way i do

Your opinion (nor mine) isn't nearly as good as McCloughan on Redskins football issues. For you to think that illustrates the folly of your general view on this issue. Will Scotty miss things where some hacks like you or I get right? Sure. But my point here is a general one: his views are based on his years worth of football expertise and his unique knowledge of Redskins football operations. For anyone on these boards to think we're on par with him is crazy. And this is a small part of a larger point where others that don't have expertise in some fields defer to others that do. I do that everyday. And I'm sure you do too.

 

[skinsdad62]

Your opinion (nor mine) isn't nearly as good as McCloughan on Redskins football issues. For you to think that illustrates the folly of your general view on this issue. Will Scotty miss things where some hacks like you or I get right? Sure. But my point here is a general one: his views are based on his years worth of football expertise and his unique knowledge of Redskins football operations. For anyone on these boards to think we're on par with him is crazy. And this is a small part of a larger point where others that don't have expertise in some fields defer to others that do. I do that everyday. And I'm sure you do too.

yeah so far SM doesnt believe barry should not be let go . that doctor i told you about had years of experience too and yet the hack was right (twice )

so we have gone from a doctor is always right and yet he isnt and now we are playing the SM card in hopes that i will crack

again the fact is the great SM and i agree that barry shouldnt be fired yet but you hold a different view and yet want to lecture me about listening to the professional ? so far the professional agrees with me the hack

 

[redskinsfan]

yeah so far SM doesnt believe barry should not be let go . that doctor i told you about had years of experience too and yet the hack was right (twice )

so we have gone from a doctor is always right and yet he isnt and now we are playing the SM card in hopes that i will crack

again the fact is the great SM and i agree that barry shouldnt be fired yet but you hold a different view and yet want to lecture me about listening to the professional ? so far the professional agrees with me the hack

Huh?! My general point is that you defer to experts. Do you get that? As for McCloughan and Barry, I'll defer to him on not firing him. My other point was deferring to people like Rob Demovsky. That's where this was coming to a head. So, my point here's been consistent. What you're doing is relying on Scotty for one thing, but then rejecting experts on another, including taking issue with what your doc said. That's just bat sh#t insane.

 

[skinsdad62]

Huh?! My general point is that you defer to experts. Do you get that? As for McCloughan and Barry, I'll defer to him on not firing him. My other point was deferring to people like Rob Demovsky. That's where this was coming to a head. So, my point here's been consistent. What you're doing is relying on Scotty for one thing, but then rejecting experts on another, including taking issue with what your doc said. That's just bat sh#t insane.

you started this whole thing about dumping Barry and you went to every talking point in the debate book to get me to change my mind on the original point you went through all these pundits and gms etc to make your point and when that failed you brought up SM thinking i would crack yet again . then i went back to the original debate and said your trump card agrees with me

my opinion is as good as anyone's period end of story it was that way yesterday , it is that way today and it will be that way tomorrow

now maybe you need to examine what that "really means " and stop adding crap to it

blind faith will get you killed

if i relied solely on what my doctor said , failed to do my research , i would still be coughing my brains out now if you want to be a sheep be a sheep , but i am going to do my research on every matter and consult several sources before i get led down any path by anyone period . that is how i do business . you are free to do it your way

 

[redskinsfan]

you started this whole thing about dumping Barry and you went to every talking point in the debate book to get me to change my mind on the original point you went through all these pundits and gms etc to make your point and when that failed you brought up SM thinking i would crack yet again . then i went back to the original debate and said your trump card agrees with me

my opinion is as good as anyone's period end of story it was that way yesterday , it is that way today and it will be that way tomorrow

now maybe you need to examine what that "really means " and stop adding crap to it

blind faith will get you killed

if i relied solely on what my doctor said , failed to do my research , i would still be coughing my brains out now if you want to be a sheep be a sheep , but i am going to do my research on every matter and consult several sources before i get led down any path by anyone period . that is how i do business . you are free to do it your way

My original point was that (1) Barry should be fired (2) because he failed to make adjustments to the short-passing, up-tempo game Rodgers came up with in the second quarter. My principal thesis, however, was the latter, but I'll address both of them here.

As for the latter point, I argued that there were plenty of those with expertise supporting what I said (e.g., Rob Demovsky) that merited respect. I illustrated this point by reference to "experts" we defer to in our everyday lives such as doctors. You can add other types of individuals with expertise whose opinions we either respect or follow such as IT egg heads, plumbers, lawyers, etc., but hopefully you get the point by these examples. Your rebuttal to this is was your admonition that no one should blindly follow someone else's assessment on any given issue. While I can agree in general with that view and with the fact that everyone should form their own opinion, it's absolutely stupid to think your opinion or mine stands on equal footing when juxtaposed with that of someone who knows better than either of us. The fact that your personal doctor appears to be a quack is of little consequence here. That's because my point is a general one and, like any general point, it's understood that are exceptions and anomalies to it like the quack doctor you mentioned. Basically what you're saying is that, because you had a quack for a doctor, you should always question any doctor you seek medical attention from. And that's just simply insanity. (Of course, if that's not your position, the only other rational alternative is that you'd honor the assessment of a competent doctor, which would be my whole point here.)

Which brings me to the next point. I started this whole thing off by calling for Barry's head. That's my opinion and I believe I've got some good grounds for it. However, I know that McCloughan possesses far more expertise in football knowledge than I do and he knows a lot more about Barry as a coach than anyone here does. Thus, while I've formed my own opinion on whether Barry should stick around, I'm not stupid to think my opinion is better than McCloughan's. Thus, if he thinks Barry should be retained, I'll defer to him, just like anyone here should defer to those in the know about the Pack like beat reporters who've followed them all year. Why? Because I value McCloughan's opinion on Barry more than I do mine. And there's a good reason for that.

It's unbelievable how you can't grasp this. But given the fact that you're someone who'd question people like a doctor speaks to more about you than anything else.