QB controversy

[theknight307]

What did Belichick do when Bledsoe was ready to come back in 2001? Trust this. There were plenty of pats fans who thought he was a fool.

Not exactly the same, but similar enough.

Not saying Oz is going to be Brady. I am saying if the offense produces and continues to produce then I say you stick with him. You think Belichick knew Brady would be a hall of famer in 2001 when he made that decision?

No. All he knew is the offense responded to Brady. This may very well be a similar situation.

We will see if Kubiak has the balls. Of course this is all dependent on how Oz produces. If he blows his chance hen it will be on him. If he does respond with the immense pressure then that will show us a lot.

Oh, the GB situation with Favre and Rodgers is also very similar.

 

[58crash]

Big Ben might be another ..

 

[WalkerBoh]

If you want to win a Super Bowl a healthy Peyton Manning gives the team the best chance. Problem is Manning can only run his no huddle offense so no way even a hybrid of Kubes offense will work with Manning.

I think you got to go with a healthy Manning. Elway created his situation. He needs to look at the immediate season and not long term.

This is a recipe for an early playoff exit. Reality is that Manning's productive days are likely gone. It's like the song goes: He's not as good as he once was, maybe he can be as good once as he ever was. That's about it though. If Osweiler's first start is any indication, he's the one that gives this team it's best shot at a SB championship.

 

[Manimal Sighting]

If you want to win a Super Bowl a healthy Peyton Manning gives the team the best chance. Problem is Manning can only run his no huddle offense so no way even a hybrid of Kubes offense will work with Manning.

I think you got to go with a healthy Manning. Elway created his situation. He needs to look at the immediate season and not long term.

Ignoring Mannings history in the playoffs, you are still talking about the leading interception thrower and second lowest QB rating (ahead of only Mallett) in the league. Not the best recipe for playoff success. I too would love to see the screens and quick passes of that historic offense but those days are gone. I have a hard time seeing those work as well with the loaded boxes manning had been seeing of late anyways, same reason our running game struggles with manning in there. We had some great years with Peyton, he's the type of player any organization would be lucky to have and we were just that to have him but.....we can't mortgage the rest of this year and into next in the hopes he can become what he once was. I think Elway has put together an amazing roster and part of that is developing a project QB with a ton of potential. Either way go broncos, lets hope we can avoid those injuries

 

[CEH]

I still say a heathy manning is a better option than a kubiak led team with a journeyman Qb
Kubiak has done zero as a head coach the playoffs
Most want to go with the unknown hoping for greatness
I'd rather go with the known
Manning didn't look that bad just 3 weeks ago against Green Bay with rest
If Brock goes 4-2 the rest of the way I say maybe
3-3 I'd rather go back to manning if healthy

 

[WalkerBoh]

If healthy is the thing. I doubt Manning will be healthy enough. GB didn't exactly field that good a defense either.

And Osweiler is not a journeyman. In fact, if this last game was any indication, he WILL be Denver's QBoTF. Manning, even when healthy, isn't going to scare the better defenses we will see I the playoffs. With Osweiler, they will have to worry about the vertical game and his mobility. He can make that naked bootleg very lethal.

 

[GeekSportsFan]

I really don't see an upside of sticking with Manning. At age 39, Manning probably won't be able to recover enough from his injury to get the Broncos through the playoffs. If you stick with Osweiler from this point forward, the Broncos might not get far in the playoffs, but then you come into next year with a young QB who has some solid game experience. Then again, the Bronco defense is good enough to create some opportunities that Osweiler might very well suprise some folks heading into, and through, the playoffs. It's a no brainer: go with the kid!

 

[CEH]

I can't ever see Manning as backup in Denver and that is what you guys are saying if Manning is healthy enough to play. IMO, Just does not compute.

With one more win for the all time record, I can't see Kubiak and Elway sitting a healthy (as healthy as a NFL player can be after 13 games) Manning in favor of Brockweiler.

Well see. We may be singing a different tune after Sunday night when BB has a reputation for embarrassing QBs starting their 2nd game eveah

 

[SpiritOf77]

From my observations, Manning was not noticeably limping or hurt when he was in against KC, and while some type of injury could have happened ( or been exacerbated ) during that game, I just feel that the injury report has been more of an effort to placate Manning and save him from some embarrassment -

In other words, being hurt is a much better excuse than being washed up, esp if he wants to get those remaining records ..

It is an odd situation because he started the KC game, and without a specific incident, he's all of a sudden not able to make the trip to Chicago and wearing a walking boot ..

I think if Oz continues to improve, and win while doing so, Manning will not get back on the field

 

[xBxtxDx]

Fair enough. I knew Manning's thrown alotta picks this year but didn't realize he's leading the league.

17 int's to 9 TD's and after the KC game he was dangerously close to averaging 2 picks a game while averaging 1 TD a game. That is a lot to ask a defense to overcome week in and week out.

 

[xBxtxDx]

This is not even a question for me, you put in the player that gives you the best chance to win ballgames because whatever else you may say, that is the end all, be all of why the games are played. That is currently Osweiller. Sorry, but even before the "injury", Manning has not been himself since around the Rams game last year and seems to be declining more and more every hit he takes. I think the thing that has bothered me the most about Manning this year is he seems to be playing slow. He does not seem to be as sharp in his decision processes and seems not to be able to catch the things he once was able to. I will not speculate as to whether it is because of the new O, the number of hits he has taken catching up to him, or just age. It is however there.

 

[WalkerBoh]

I can't ever see Manning as backup in Denver and that is what you guys are saying if Manning is healthy enough to play. IMO, Just does not compute.

With one more win for the all time record, I can't see Kubiak and Elway sitting a healthy (as healthy as a NFL player can be after 13 games) Manning in favor of Brockweiler.

Well see. We may be singing a different tune after Sunday night when BB has a reputation for embarrassing QBs starting their 2nd game eveah

I doubt it, Unless Osweiler completely falls apart against NE. (Which I would be surprised if it happened) Belichick doesn't have much tape on Osweiler to study. That presents a bit of an unknown into the picture. I think if Plummer can win 3 in a row against BB and the Patriots, Oz has a good shot to do so in Denver.

 

[cdumler7]

This is not even a question for me, you put in the player that gives you the best chance to win ballgames because whatever else you may say, that is the end all, be all of why the games are played. That is currently Osweiller. Sorry, but even before the "injury", Manning has not been himself since around the Rams game last year and seems to be declining more and more every hit he takes. I think the thing that has bothered me the most about Manning this year is he seems to be playing slow. He does not seem to be as sharp in his decision processes and seems not to be able to catch the things he once was able to. I will not speculate as to whether it is because of the new O, the number of hits he has taken catching up to him, or just age. It is however there.

This I agree with. Here is the thing with Manning. This goes beyond just injury. I would say at least half of his interceptions have more to do with him just making terrible decisions. I mean for the first 3 years here we rarely saw Manning make a mistake of where to throw the football. Usually if he threw a pick you could tell that the receiver just ran a bad route or there was a miscommunication. That is not the case this year. He just does not look comfortable and so he is taking his first read whether it is there or not. Teams have keyed in on this and since he can't hit the deep ball with any kind of consistency they can easily drop Linebackers and safeties into those zone spots where Manning loves to go with the football. To me Manning takes a lot more strength in his lower body to complete a pass. If he doesn't have the perfect pocket to step up into he just can't make the throws. It is why teams are loving the double-A Gap blitz. That type of play doesn't work well against a mobile QB who can get to the edge leaving the middle of the field very vulnerable. Manning can't do that though so it makes it very easy to call a defense against Manning now adays.

Believe me I love Manning and was hoping it really was more because of injury that we saw such a huge decline last year but I do think we are seeing his body having reached a point it is just broken down. Yes with some rest I do think Manning has maybe one more good game left in him and maybe the Broncos give him that shot. Beyond that though I just can't see us even standing a chance at a Super Bowl with Manning. To me Osweiler is our best shot because he can protect the football, improve the run game, and play that field position battle that helps our defense. Lean upon the strength of this team on the defense. Only way we stand a chance.

 

[theknight307]

This is not even a question for me, you put in the player that gives you the best chance to win ballgames because whatever else you may say, that is the end all, be all of why the games are played. That is currently Osweiller. Sorry, but even before the "injury", Manning has not been himself since around the Rams game last year and seems to be declining more and more every hit he takes. I think the thing that has bothered me the most about Manning this year is he seems to be playing slow. He does not seem to be as sharp in his decision processes and seems not to be able to catch the things he once was able to. I will not speculate as to whether it is because of the new O, the number of hits he has taken catching up to him, or just age. It is however there.

Just saw I put an unlike on this post. Fixed it.

 

[Mingo]

Oswieler was better yesterday - than any Manning game this year - even when Manning was healthy. You can see - that Oz is taking over the team emotionally and has no problem leading the guys.

 

[Godstree]

Best option, trade Osweiller to the Cowboys for Hardy. You guys need a bit more D to win a championship and that will fix the hole. Peyton is your best chance not only for the season but future few years as well.

 

[cdumler7]

Best option, trade Osweiller to the Cowboys for Hardy. You guys need a bit more D to win a championship and that will fix the hole. Peyton is your best chance not only for the season but future few years as well.

As tempting as that is my guess is Elway just might pass and see what happens. I will say Osweiler might have just made himself some major money last night with the game he had.

 

[Godstree]

As tempting as that is my guess is Elway just might pass and see what happens. I will say Osweiler might have just made himself some major money last night with the game he had.

I am glad you got my sarcasm and such.

Seems like this QB you got is a keeper.

 

[58crash]

As tempting as that is my guess is Elway just might pass and see what happens. I will say Osweiler might have just made himself some major money last night with the game he had.

Montana and all that cold seem to be severing him to play brilliant in it .. he never once looked a bit cold hell even Brady looked cold as hell .. last night we seen this truly is a young mans sport

 

[58crash]

I am glad you got my sarcasm and such.

Seems like this QB you got is a keeper.

Not bad but work still to be done ..his 2nd read is a Sack