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Is it time to let garcon walk

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garcon has been a good wr for us . i have no issue with what he has done here .
 

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He has been average to good. But he is getting paid like an elite WR. With Jackson back hopefully he steps up b/c he is killing my fantasy team.
 

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He has been average to good. But he is getting paid like an elite WR. With Jackson back hopefully he steps up b/c he is killing my fantasy team.

Especially with guys like Jackson, Jones & Reed on the team Garcon will likely never be a good fantasy pickup - you should know better. Being objective - if you rate Garcon as "average to good" for this season then you have to rate Jackson as "below average". You can't just base everything on potential especially as the guy ages & if he incurs more injuries. I really like the guy, but these type of decisions have to be based on reality and not strictly on emotion.
 

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Fantasy teams are unimportant to me. I root for the Redskins. :thumb:

I won't deny he is getting paid a bit much. You can't deny he has been the leading receiver almost if not every year he has been here. Add to that his blocking ability which you can't read in a stat and doesn't help your fantasy team but means a lot to the play on the field and he has been more than average.
 

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BTW - first rule of fantasy football. If possible - avoid picking up guys on the team that you root for like the Redskins. It makes it tough both in rooting for that team & in ensuring that your fantasy team does well.
 

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I have no choice but to start Gracon on my fantast team. He didn't step up with Jackson out. Seriously, I agree with you guys that he is overpaid. Jackson is worth more to our team than Garcon .
 

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I have no choice but to start Gracon on my fantast team. He didn't step up with Jackson out. Seriously, I agree with you guys that he is overpaid. Jackson is worth more to our team than Garcon .

he hasnt been this year unless he is valuable at the whirlpool
 

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I don't think it's fair to discredit DJax for his injuries, it's not like he's got Jordan Reed's history. As for Garcon you guys know my feeling, I think he has been good to very good his entire Redskins career. But as posted he is not elite and is paid elite money.
 

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I don't think it's fair to discredit DJax for his injuries, it's not like he's got Jordan Reed's history. As for Garcon you guys know my feeling, I think he has been good to very good his entire Redskins career. But as posted he is not elite and is paid elite money.

It is absolutely fair to consider moving on w/o Jackson because of injuries. This is a business. If the team believes that due to his age and injuries he will either not be available as much or perhaps slowing down (which is bad news for a speed guy) then that will have to be part of the decision. This is not about being fair - it is all about business. Now Jackson has a bigger cap hit if released than Garcon so that will also factor into the equation.

Now if Jackson plays lights out for the remainder of the season & stays relatively injury free that is a whole other matter.
 

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garcon has been healthy and has carried this wr corp so far . now i understand he isnt worth his contract and whatt we should try and do is redo a contract or 2 to keep them garcon must understand he isnt going to get big money on the open market
 

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It is absolutely fair to consider moving on w/o Jackson because of injuries. This is a business. If the team believes that due to his age and injuries he will either not be available as much or perhaps slowing down (which is bad news for a speed guy) then that will have to be part of the decision. This is not about being fair - it is all about business. Now Jackson has a bigger cap hit if released than Garcon so that will also factor into the equation.

Now if Jackson plays lights out for the remainder of the season & stays relatively injury free that is a whole other matter.

Oh I totally get that, it should be factored in. But again DJax is only 28 and does not have a history of injuries. Prior to this year he has only missed a total of 10 games in 7 years. He's got some history but not enough to label him Kelvin Bryant, at least not yet.
 

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Oh I totally get that, it should be factored in. But again DJax is only 28 and does not have a history of injuries. Prior to this year he has only missed a total of 10 games in 7 years. He's got some history but not enough to label him Kelvin Bryant, at least not yet.

True. I just believe that this current FO is no nonsense & will likely get rid of certain favorites which will probably irk some fans but benefit the team long term. No telling about Jackson since he is kind of at a crossroads & they are certainly closer to the situation than us in terms of making an educated decision. Hopefully - you are rt & he has another 4-5 productive years with the Redskins - nothing quite like a home run threat on a good team.
 

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garcon has been healthy and has carried this wr corp so far . now i understand he isnt worth his contract and whatt we should try and do is redo a contract or 2 to keep them garcon must understand he isnt going to get big money on the open market
True. I just believe that this current FO is no nonsense & will likely get rid of certain favorites which will probably irk some fans but benefit the team long term. No telling about Jackson since he is kind of at a crossroads & they are certainly closer to the situation than us in terms of making an educated decision. Hopefully - you are rt & he has another 4-5 productive years with the Redskins - nothing quite like a home run threat on a good team.

So as their contacts are similar and knowing what you know which one do you keep? As I said I'm undecided and I'm a pretty big Garcon guy.
 

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So as their contacts are similar and knowing what you know which one do you keep? As I said I'm undecided and I'm a pretty big Garcon guy.
If everything is equal and you have to keep only 1 (which I don't believe is true), I keep Jackson. His skills and impact are harder to reproduce. But my bet is they are both here next year. Roberts is gone.
 

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so if garcon is worth 8 million what can we do with that 8 million best fa center? 2 to 3 depth guys? give it to cousins?
 

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let garcon walk use that money on cousins thats what i would do its a great wr class this year
 

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Fantasy teams are unimportant to me. I root for the Redskins. :thumb:

I won't deny he is getting paid a bit much. You can't deny he has been the leading receiver almost if not every year he has been here. Add to that his blocking ability which you can't read in a stat and doesn't help your fantasy team but means a lot to the play on the field and he has been more than average.

He is getting paid at least twice as much as he is capable of producing. That is far too much.

You keep DJ (and I can't stand him) because he is the only speed we have in the WR bunch. Garcon can be replaced rather easily.
 

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I didn't disagree with him being over paid and I don't think he will be here next year.

Besides being the leading receiver every year he has been here he does other important football things like block his ass off. Would I resign him for the same salary no. I won't dismiss him as easily replaced though. You have seen all the poor receivers on this team the past 10 years or so.
 

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coach , we dont have money problems at all , i say redo garcon's contract and problem is solved
 

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coach , we dont have money problems at all , i say redo garcon's contract and problem is solved

Yep - that might be the route to go if any of the participants are willing. They may be more willing to renegotiate than some folks believe. This team is finally showing some signs of possibly having a bright future. This may result in players more willing to stay with this team even if it means taking a little less $$ (which was never true in the recent past).

A lot of players also like to remain with the same team for other reasons assuming that they don't have to sacrifice much. Again - I don't believe that Garcon is as easily replaceable as some suggest.
 
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